Also, Lee deal was 6 years. There really no comparison to be made

Prosperdick said:

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Nimmo would allow us a crazy Batman Map lineup (or batman mag if you want to sit Pena for Gurriel):

Bregman
Altuve
Tucker
McCormick
Alvarez
Nimmo
Maldy
Abreu
Pena

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Drunk before 8 on a Tuesday? Nice.

Farmer1906 said:

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I agree that's the better course of action.

Let's be clear on Nimmo vs Brantley. Nimmo is a career 130 OPS+ with a 133 OPS+ over the last 3. Brantley is a career 117 OPS+ with a single season (2014) with an OPS+ of 130 or better. Since joining the Astros Brantley has had a very respectable 124 OPS+. They're both good. Nimmo is clearly better tho.

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Nimmo's best season K% was this 2022 at 17.2%
Brantley's career average K% is 10.2%

Nimmo's best BA was .292 in 2021
Brantley has exceeded that in 4 of his last 5 seasons, and hit .288 before injury in 2022.

I'm an OPS and OPS+ fan, but honestly in this lineup, I don't mind sacrificing a little bit of power in our 8th best hitter for the $ value, Leadership, and contact hitting Brantley provides.

Bag said:

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Would rather give the youth a chance

Gilbert
Diaz

They are ready

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Gilbert is ready after a combined 39 PA in Rookie and A ball last year? At least let him get a couple hundred PA in AA or AAA before we make statements like that.

kegstand said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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I agree that's the better course of action.

Let's be clear on Nimmo vs Brantley. Nimmo is a career 130 OPS+ with a 133 OPS+ over the last 3. Brantley is a career 117 OPS+ with a single season (2014) with an OPS+ of 130 or better. Since joining the Astros Brantley has had a very respectable 124 OPS+. They're both good. Nimmo is clearly better tho.

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Nimmo's best season K% was this 2022 at 17.2%
Brantley's career average K% is 10.2%

Nimmo's best BA was .292 in 2021
Brantley has exceeded that in 4 of his last 5 seasons, and hit .288 before injury in 2022.

I'm an OPS and OPS+ fan, but honestly in this lineup, I don't mind sacrificing a little bit of power in our 8th best hitter for the $ value, Leadership, and contact hitting Brantley provides.

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That's fine, but that doesn't make Brantley better. Brantley is better at putting the bat on the ball, but Nimmo still gets on base at an elite level. .404-.401-.367 over the last 3 seasons vs .364-.362-.370.

Regardless, I don't think Nimmo is a realistic option. Brantley is.

If we re-sign Yuli, are we 100% sure Abreu is the everyday first baseman? Does Dusty somehow start Yuli at first, DH Abreu, play Yordan in LF the majority of the time then rests Yuli and that's when Abreu plays first?

Bag said:

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Would rather give the youth a chance

Gilbert
Diaz

They are ready

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You keep insisting Gilbert is ready. What are you basing that off? He had a handful of at-bats at the lowest level of pro baseball.

I think he's gonna be a hell of a baseball player. He is absolutely not ready to be an every day MLB baseball player.

Dude. No.

Bag said:

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he is better than Chas, TODAY, full stop

I appreciate what Chas did for the astros this year, but pretending he is anything more than a AAAA player is bad business

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Even if this was true, a AAAA player is still lightyears ahead of Gilbert right now in development.

Not trying to be a dick, but how long have you followed baseball? Are you familiar with how long it takes for prospects to develop? This isn't the NBA or NFL where guys get drafted and contribute right away.

irish pete ag06 said:

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Dude. No.

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But he had a .654 OPS in A ball last year. That's not good enough?

The first #79 in franchise history

texasaggie2015 said:

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Bag said:

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he is better than Chas, TODAY, full stop

I appreciate what Chas did for the astros this year, but pretending he is anything more than a AAAA player is bad business

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Even if this was true, a AAAA player is still lightyears ahead of Gilbert right now in development.

Not trying to be a dick, but how long have you followed baseball? Are you familiar with how long it takes for prospects to develop? This isn't the NBA or NFL where guys get drafted and contribute right away.

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Oh gawd, give me a break...

I am 49 and have followed baseball all my life, please stop with the self righteous nonsense.

Gilbert is 22 years old, he is not a young guy, a year older than the current AL ROY.

How long have you followed baseball?

What I am suggesting happens all the time, there is a guy on the Astros that followed a similar path, his name is Alex Bregman, have you heard of him?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=bregma001ale

Bag said:

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texasaggie2015 said:

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Bag said:

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he is better than Chas, TODAY, full stop

I appreciate what Chas did for the astros this year, but pretending he is anything more than a AAAA player is bad business

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Even if this was true, a AAAA player is still lightyears ahead of Gilbert right now in development.

Not trying to be a dick, but how long have you followed baseball? Are you familiar with how long it takes for prospects to develop? This isn't the NBA or NFL where guys get drafted and contribute right away.

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Oh gawd, give me a break...

I am 49 and have followed baseball all my life, please stop with the self righteous nonsense.

Gilbert is 22 years old, he is not a young guy, a year older than the current AL ROY.

How long have you followed baseball?

What I am suggesting happens all the time, there is a guy on the Astros that followed a similar path, his name is Alex Bregman, have you heard of him?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=bregma001ale

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Bregman spent almost 3 seasons in the minors and had nearly 200 plate appearances across multiple levels

My reaction to this hot take

Bag said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Bag said:

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texasaggie2015 said:

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Bag said:

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he is better than Chas, TODAY, full stop

I appreciate what Chas did for the astros this year, but pretending he is anything more than a AAAA player is bad business

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Even if this was true, a AAAA player is still lightyears ahead of Gilbert right now in development.

Not trying to be a dick, but how long have you followed baseball? Are you familiar with how long it takes for prospects to develop? This isn't the NBA or NFL where guys get drafted and contribute right away.

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Oh gawd, give me a break...

I am 49 and have followed baseball all my life, please stop with the self righteous nonsense.

Gilbert is 22 years old, he is not a young guy, a year older than the current AL ROY.

How long have you followed baseball?

What I am suggesting happens all the time, there is a guy on the Astros that followed a similar path, his name is Alex Bregman, have you heard of him?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=bregma001ale

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Bregman spent almost 3 seasons in the minors and had nearly 200 plate appearances across multiple levels

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um, no, he graduated 2015, went to low A ball and by the middle of 2016 he was in the bigs playing 49 games in houston

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He started out in low A, not rookie like Gilbert. He made it to High A in his first year. He had over 300 PA vs Gilbert's few dozen. He started in AA then AAA and had another 300+ PA. He got called up in July after raking all year long to a team that needed major help. We're in a completely different situation now and more than likely Gilbert isn't and will never be Bregman. But that's okay. He can still climb very quickly. I think 2024 is more realistic.

You also don't need to downgrade Chas to boost up Gilbert. Whether you, Dusty, Click, or whoever doesn't like it, Chas has been an above average MLB player for back-to-back seasons.

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Apologies they count seasons when you bump in the middle of a year....he still played at multiple levels, 157 games, 723 plate appearances

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Gilbert on the other hand is coming off of a season ending injury, has 10 games in the minors and 39 plate appearances

Let me interrupt y'all for a moment.

Finally delivered

redline248 said:

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Let me interrupt y'all for a moment.

Finally delivered

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Same cap I bought my uncle and old man. Looks 100x better than what they wore on the field.

Bag said:

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he is better than Chas, TODAY, full stop

I appreciate what Chas did for the astros this year, but pretending he is anything more than a AAAA player is bad business

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Keep Chas in center.
Start Gilbert in left, trade Yordan and let the big dog who tore it up in the Florida Complex league for 32 at bats last year eat!

Farmer1906 said:

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Bag said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Bag said:

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texasaggie2015 said:

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Bag said:

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he is better than Chas, TODAY, full stop

I appreciate what Chas did for the astros this year, but pretending he is anything more than a AAAA player is bad business

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Even if this was true, a AAAA player is still lightyears ahead of Gilbert right now in development.

Not trying to be a dick, but how long have you followed baseball? Are you familiar with how long it takes for prospects to develop? This isn't the NBA or NFL where guys get drafted and contribute right away.

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Oh gawd, give me a break...

I am 49 and have followed baseball all my life, please stop with the self righteous nonsense.

Gilbert is 22 years old, he is not a young guy, a year older than the current AL ROY.

How long have you followed baseball?

What I am suggesting happens all the time, there is a guy on the Astros that followed a similar path, his name is Alex Bregman, have you heard of him?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=bregma001ale

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Bregman spent almost 3 seasons in the minors and had nearly 200 plate appearances across multiple levels

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um, no, he graduated 2015, went to low A ball and by the middle of 2016 he was in the bigs playing 49 games in houston

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He started out in low A, not rookie like Gilbert. He made it to High A in his first year. He had over 300 PA vs Gilbert's few dozen. He started in AA then AAA and had another 300+ PA. He got called up in July after raking all year long to a team that needed major help. We're in a completely different situation now and more than likely Gilbert isn't and will never be Bregman. But that's okay. He can still climb very quickly. I think 2024 is more realistic.

You also don't need to downgrade Chas to boost up Gilbert. Whether you, Dusty, Click, or whoever doesn't like it, Chas has been an above average MLB player for back-to-back seasons.

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Just so we are all on the same page. Breggy had 586 AB in the minors in two seasons before being called up. To suggest Gilbert is better than Chas right now is just foolish IMO

was not expecting a lot of Drew Gilbert talk this morning...

but okay it's the offseason