Is anyone really going to question Crane's moves with Cal McNair still running the Texans?

Max Power said:

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Is anyone really going to question Crane's moves with Cal McNair still running the Texans?

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Sadly these items are not mutually exclusive.

The team underperformed during his tenure honestly

— Eric Reyna (@ericreyna) November 12, 2022

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This is a quote from the Chandler Rome article: "Crane's handling of Click enraged many rival front-office executives....."

"Enraged". He offers no examples, quotes, names or specifics. No context as to why rival front-office executives would be enraged by the firing of another team's GM.

Regardless of what you think of Crane or Click or the Astros in general, that is a hatchet job by Rome designed to paint the franchise in the worst possible light.

Other owners don't like him. I get it … he's kicking their tails and they are jealous.

iamtheglove said:

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This is a quote from the Chandler Rome article: "Crane's handling of Click enraged many rival front-office executives....."

"Enraged". He offers no examples, names or specifics. No context as to why rival front-office executives would be enraged by the firing of another team's GM.

Regardless of what you think of Crane or Click or the Astros in general, that is a hatchet job by Rome designed to paint the franchise in the worst possible light.

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Chandler is a gooch

I really hope I'm wrong about this, but it seems to me that Crane's success has gone to his head and he thinks he can do a better job than his staff.

Five years ago we were all thrilled to have a hands-off owner who hired good people. That's not at all what we are seeing now. Crane did very little to earn the '17 and '19 titles aside from sign the checks and listen to smarter people.

DVC2010 said:

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I really hope I'm wrong about this, but it seems to me that Crane's success has gone to his head and he thinks he can do a better job than his staff.

Five years ago we were all thrilled to have a hands-off owner who hired good people. That's not at all what we are seeing now. Crane did very little to earn the '17 and '19 titles aside from sign the checks and listen to smarter people.

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None of us have enough information to make an assessment like that. What I see is banner after banner hung from MMP under multiple GM regimes. Something in the org is working very well and I'm giving Crane every ounce of benefit of the doubt until we're knocked from our rightful spot at the top of the sport.

DVC2010 said:

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I really hope I'm wrong about this, but it seems to me that Crane's success has gone to his head and he thinks he can do a better job than his staff.

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Wells here's Crane's line of thought...I've had to step in and get deals done for our biggest acquisitions so yeah maybe I am better than these people. I need to find someone better who I don't have to babysit.

Like mentioned above. Crane has oversaw what is easily the greatest and most insane times of the Houston Astros...

• Navigated getting extorted to move to the AL
• Hired Luhnow who built a giant
• Was OK with tanking for the future (which the media always hammered the Astros for harder than the Cubs who did the same thing)
• Has spent the $ just like he promised he would once they became competitive
• Navigated the scandal
• Wins multiple World Series
• Has the Astros on as dominant of a run as any baseball team has been on in a long time.

I'll trust Crane.

Chandler Rome is such a limp dick *****

irish pete ag06 said:

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Like mentioned above. Crane has oversaw what is easily the greatest and most insane times of the Houston Astros...

• Navigated getting extorted to move to the AL
• Hired Luhnow who built a giant
• Was OK with tanking for the future (which the media always hammered the Astros for harder than the Cubs who did the same thing)
• Has spent the $ just like he promised he would once they became competitive
• Navigated the scandal
• Wins multiple World Series
• Has the Astros on as dominant of a run as any baseball team has been on in a long time.

I'll trust Crane.

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Well said. He's a tough, competitive businessman who demands a certain level of performance from all aspects of his organization. If he feels like someone isn't pulling their weight, he's gonna make the change and not give two effs what anyone thinks.

tjack16 said:

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The team underperformed during his tenure honestly

— Eric Reyna (@ericreyna) November 12, 2022

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Is this one of you guys? Sounds like a classic TexAgs Astros thread take.

amercer said:

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On the one hand it's stupid. On the other, if you are the best team in baseball for 3 years and win 1 title is that underperforming?

Certainly every other team has underperformed more though.

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Winning the World Series is difficult even for the best teams. Look at the Dodgers. Making the World Series twice in 3 years, and winning it once, is a huge success. If you throw out the Covid year, which was a mess, they made two and won one. Calling it underperforming is silly.

Yes it is. You can build a juggernaut using sabermetrics that will very likely work it's way out with the law of averages over a 162 game sample size...

It's a completely different animal when boiled down to a max of 5, 7, and 7 game sample size.

No matter how much we make this game about numbers, the playoffs throws that out of the window.

themissinglink said:

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That and the EEOC complaints about not hiring minorities and women of child-bearing age (according to the complaints, Crane told HR multiple times not to advertise positions so there was no paper trail). He played the "but I have black friends" card by golfing with Obama and getting a civil rights leader to write a letter to MLB.

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So Crane isn't a dumbass? I feel even better about him

it's an interesting discussion.

in the American League chalk has held up in the playoffs in recent years. There has not been a "surprise" pennant winner in the AL since the Royals in 2014 --- when KC made the world series as a wildcard.

whereas the National League has had numerous "surprise" pennant winners lately --- most notably the Phillies this year.

of course the NL surprises are primarily due to one team...whose formula for success in the regular season -- fails quite a bit in the playoffs -- the Dodgers

As long as Crane doesn't turn into Jerry Jones I'm fine with it.