from contract standpoint, Urquidy and Javiar both arbitration eligible next year. can astros afford both?

My personal thought is I don't like giving up proven starting pitching when we can't be sure JV will come back and we don't really know what we'll get from Brown. Throw Lance into the unknown category, too.

However, if it gets us a bopper with a couple years of control, or we win in it all this year I'll survive

Agreed. Like I said, it's tough and I can see a legitimate argument for any one of those three. I do think Garcia has the most value and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say a package centered around Garcia could land you someone like Luis Castillo or Bryan Reynolds. And you would still have enough ammunition to go get Josh Bell.

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if the Astros trade away Urquidy...then I hope (I assume) the front office is planning to make a hard push to resign JV.

otherwise the front office is placing a really big bet on Lance's health

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I think this trade would work for both teams

Jose Siri, Urquidy, decent prospect (like an Alex Santos type) …. for a good bat like Bell, Mullins or Reynolds

You might have to add another prospect but I'd be 100% okay parting with that group of guys if it meant getting one of the 3 big bats

yep. and my guess is his one more year of team control makes him someone astros want to hold on to.

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Game 6 of 2021 ALCS

LuAce Garcia looked as good as any pitcher ever looked in an Astros uniform

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That was huge. He got rocked by the White Sox then the Red Sox only to come back and finish off Boston. Braves got him too. Very hit or miss.

Regardless of which of the 3, what target is good enough to move someone with this much control? Right now, only Reynolds & Castillo make sense. Who else?

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Regardless of which of the 3, what target is good enough to move someone with this much control? Right now, only Reynolds & Castillo make sense. Who else?

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Juan Soto obviously.

No, but seriously, I think it's one of those guys you mentioned. I'm trying to think of someone that might be going unmentioned.

Urquidy doesn't have the upside Javier and Luis have so of the three he's who I would move.

But again someone has to go and no seller building for a future wants to take Odo off our hands.

Christian Walker. Maybe Murphy. I think it makes sense for Jansen as well.

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Regardless of which of the 3, what target is good enough to move someone with this much control? Right now, only Reynolds & Castillo make sense. Who else?

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If you are giving up Urquidy for Bell then I'd try to expand to get Ruiz. Give them Lee back so they can restart the clock on catcher. Rather have a young backup catcher that has some experience and can hit left handed.

No reason to trade Urquidy for a rental. That's what makes the rumor interesting.

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Regardless of which of the 3, what target is good enough to move someone with this much control? Right now, only Reynolds & Castillo make sense. Who else?

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If you are giving up Urquidy for Bell then I'd try to expand to get Ruiz. Give them Lee back so they can restart the clock on catcher. Rather have a young backup catcher that has some experience and can hit left handed.

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Again, if we move on of those three arms, it won't be for a rental like Bell. This would be a bigger deal for a guy who will be under contract for multiple years.

None of those guys should be involved in a trade for Bell, a rental mediocre defensive first baseman. That deal need to be completed without a major league proven SP

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Regardless of which of the 3, what target is good enough to move someone with this much control? Right now, only Reynolds & Castillo make sense. Who else?

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I just did a somewhat deep dive of 1B and CF trying to find someone who fits the following criteria:

1) Team control thru at least 2023
2) Plays for a team in sell mode
3) Significant improvement over current 1B/CF
4) I'd be willing to trade Urquidy for

Not many guys fit into that cross section. Reynolds sticks out as the most obvious candidate. Maybe we're more in on Soto than is being led on, but I don't think we have enough disposable prospect capital to make that work. Same with Ohtani (to the extent the Angels are seriously considering dealing him).

I tend to agree that it's Reynolds or Castillo. It's a shame Votto sucks so bad now because he'd otherwise be an interesting addition to a Castillo deal, as it would save the Reds a bit of $$$. The Astros can't take on Votto's old age risk though.

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I don't think Josh Bell will cost quite as much as people expect.

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Yea. Right now, sign me up for Urquidy for Reynolds. Then make the Bell deal happen.

One other name I would think about as a potential piece to move out is Pedro Leon. He's a guy who'd net us a big name when paired with a controllable starting arm. We just drafted 2 college outfielders in the first and second round plus a top 100 prospect in the 11th. If that big name is an outfielder it makes even more sense.

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I don't think Josh Bell will cost quite as much as people expect.

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Click is between a rock and a herd spot here. He is in an unusual position of being a contender with excess starting pitching that he can trade. One could argue it's more than "can" it's "must". Normally that would net a solid return. But everyone knows this and will hold him over a barrel knowing he has to unload someone. Anyone worth their GM job title would be asking for Urquidy, Garcia or Javier plus something else. And none of them will want to touch Odo.

IMHO he's going to end up overpaying for whoever he gets. Not because he is getting fleeced but because of the pitching surplus. It's a very unusual problem.

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He doesn't have to budge. We still need pitching for the next three years and contend.

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if the Astros trade away Urquidy...then I hope (I assume) the front office is planning to make a hard push to resign JV.

otherwise the front office is placing a really big bet on Lance's health

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For next year's promotion Mattress Mack said that customers who spend $3,000 or more on Made in America furniture, a Tempur-Pedic, Stearns & Foster, or Sealy mattress sleep set or power motion furniture, stand to double their purchase if LMJ plays all of the 2023 season and postseason injury free.

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…injury free, free, free!

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Click is between a rock and a herd spot here. He is in an unusual position of being a contender with excess starting pitching that he can trade. One could argue it's more than "can" it's "must". Normally that would net a solid return. But everyone knows this and will hold him over a barrel knowing he has to unload someone. Anyone worth their GM job title would be asking for Urquidy, Garcia or Javier plus something else. And none of them will want to touch Odo.

IMHO he's going to end up overpaying for whoever he gets. Not because he is getting fleeced but because of the pitching surplus. It's a very unusual problem.

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He doesn't have to budge. We still need pitching for the next three years and contend.

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We will not win a world series with this offense this year or in the future. He does have to move one because it's the only appealing point of strength in this organization that we would be willing to trade from.

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Click is between a rock and a herd spot here. He is in an unusual position of being a contender with excess starting pitching that he can trade. One could argue it's more than "can" it's "must". Normally that would net a solid return. But everyone knows this and will hold him over a barrel knowing he has to unload someone. Anyone worth their GM job title would be asking for Urquidy, Garcia or Javier plus something else. And none of them will want to touch Odo.

IMHO he's going to end up overpaying for whoever he gets. Not because he is getting fleeced but because of the pitching surplus. It's a very unusual problem.

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He doesn't have to budge. We still need pitching for the next three years and contend.

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We will not win a world series with this offense this year or in the future. He does have to move one because it's the only appealing point of strength in this organization that we would be willing to trade from.

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I agree we very likely need to get better, but we can do that without moving Urquidy, Javier, or Garcia.

Would the Nats tags Siri, Lee and Odo for Bell?

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Would the Nats tags Siri, Lee and Odo for Bell?

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Probably not. I don't think Odo/Siri do anything and they're set at catcher.

The 12 players most likely to be traded

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1) Willson Contreras, Cubs C
Introducing a new catcher can be tricky for a contender, as it can take a while to learn a new pitching staff. But Contreras is arguably the best bat available on the market, so teams might look to acquire him as a designated hitter and part-time backstop. Either way, the impending free agent seems like a lock to be moved.

Potential landing spots: Astros, Mets, Rays


4) Josh Bell, Nationals 1B
Juan Soto isn't the only Nationals player getting attention on the trade market this summer. Available power bats are relatively scarce this month, but Bell -- an impending free agent who has 13 homers and an .877 OPS should help add some pop to a contender at first base or DH. He's owed roughly $3.3 million through the end of the season.
Potential landing spots: Astros, Brewers, Mets

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We're not listed under Castillo or anyone else. Bryan Reynolds is not one of the 12.

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We can win a World Series without making any trades.

Anything can happen in a 7 game series, and sometimes guys just get hot. That's baseball.

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Sure, we can win one by doing nothing. so can the mariners if everyone gets hot.

but we'd better position ourselves to do so by trading to improve the offense.