***** Official 2022 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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What's happened the last two days in Seattle is honestly one of my favorite sports narratives when it plays out, and one that most fans will never understand (present readership not included).

The Mariners won 14 games in a row, which is awesome. 14 regular season games. That goes a long way towards getting them into the playoffs, which is what 90% of the team's in the majors aspire to do yearly.

The other 10% don't give a flying **** about wins in the regular season. They know the regular season is one long extended practice for the playoffs, where if you can win just slightly more than you lose, you'll get to the World Series with a chance to win the ring. The Astros, Dodgers, Rays, Sox, Braves, those types of teams know that the only mission in the regular season is to win enough to get in, and get your guys ready for the gauntlet known as the playoffs.

When fan bases don't have a consistent winner, they don't know what that feels like. To expect the playoffs. It's one of the reasons we're so lucky that the Astros have been so good for so long. The Mariners have their fans in a frenzy for this weekend's series. There are sell outs and rows of extra media and national buzz and here come those damn Astros, the cheaters that they are, and they're older now and they lost Correa and this is OUR YEAR, DAMN IT.

Seattle was 34-41 on June 27 after they lost to Baltimore and were 12.5 games out of first. They won 17 of their next 18 games to get to 51-42 and were able to make up just 3.5 games in the standings. The crowds got bigger and bigger during the streak. They only had 16,024 back on June 28 when they beat Baltimore. They put 41,100 in the seats 10 days later for Toronto, and 45,290 for the Friday night game for the Astros.

And then there it was, the flashbulbs blinking and the fans roaring and it was time to show those stupid Texans what Mariner baseball is all about, and then 3 pitches in, you're losing 1-0 and the wind just rushed out of the whole damn stadium.

All those clutch hits and big stops you were getting against Baltimore, Washington, Oakland, and Texas seemed to scatter to the four wins. Your stud Marco Gonzales decides to challenge big Yordan Alvarez in his first start back from injury and it's 2-0. Then their damn catcher with his terrible average hits another home run, and before you know it, your streak is done, it's 5-2, and you wonder what the hell happened to all that momentum.

You know you'll get it back the next day, because old man Verlander can't stay young forever. Except then he's hitting 99 on the gun late in the game, and systematically destroying your lineup, and you hold them to 3 runs sure but that's all they need, and now you've lost twice in a row, and the lead is back to 11. You've gone 17-3 in your last 20 and you've made up 1.5 games in the the standings.

Maybe you win tomorrow, maybe the Astros sweep. They're looking ahead to October and testing guys on a nightly basis to see who will be ready when the spotlight shines brightest. Because that's when the big games happen. Not on July 24th.

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Who is the last mlb "bat" the Astros have gotten at trade deadline?

Seems like from 2017-2021 our big moves were pitching.

This year I'd really like for us to get Bell. That's my #1 at the moment
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tjack16 said:

Who is the last mlb "bat" the Astros have gotten at trade deadline?

Seems like from 2017-2021 our big moves were pitching.

This year I'd really like for us to get Bell. That's my #1 at the moment

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Edit: read that as bust, not bat
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Maybin?
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tjack16 said:

Who is the last mlb "bat" the Astros have gotten at trade deadline?

Seems like from 2017-2021 our big moves were pitching.

This year I'd really like for us to get Bell. That's my #1 at the moment


How could you forget about the massive offensive weapon, Mauricio Duban?

I think we also traded for Maldy both times we acquired him
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Bulldog73 said:

Maybin?
Claimed him off Waivers on August 31, 2017.

2015 trading deadline we traded 4 or 5 guys to Milwaukee for Carlos Gomez and el Raton del Fiers.

2014 traded for Jake Marisnick at the deadline.

Going back through the 2000s I don't see a single big bat traded for at the deadline. Carlos Beltran was in June of 2004 so not really at the deadline.

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I'm not sure if this has been brought up before on this thread, but the Houston Astros franchise today is 8 games under 0.500 all-time.

4788 - 4796

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/

I think I came across baseball-reference.com sometime while at A&M in the mid-2000s, and at that time the Astros were something like 50-100 games under 0.500. I remember thinking it would be cool to see the day that we cross that threshold in the next few years. Well, then we had the dark days of 2009-2014, and things seemed further and further out of reach. Then, with the massive turn-around starting in 2015, we are 209 games over 0.500 since the start of that season which is truly remarkable to me.

Anyway, I've been following the franchise record as this season progressed, and now that we are within 10 games I thought it was worth bringing up. It seems likely that we will cross the mark by the end of this season.
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bearkatag15 said:

tjack16 said:

Who is the last mlb "bat" the Astros have gotten at trade deadline?

Seems like from 2017-2021 our big moves were pitching.

This year I'd really like for us to get Bell. That's my #1 at the moment


How could you forget about the massive offensive weapon, Mauricio Duban?

I think we also traded for Maldy both times we acquired him


Forgot we trade for Dubon. But I was talking more "at the deadline move"
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This is likely going to make the New York Cohen's go crazy at the deadline
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the Astros broke the Mets
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tjack16 said:

Who is the last mlb "bat" the Astros have gotten at trade deadline?

Seems like from 2017-2021 our big moves were pitching.

This year I'd really like for us to get Bell. That's my #1 at the moment
Yordan doesn't really count because he wasn't ready to contribute immediately (or hell, maybe he was!)…but folks forget he was a deadline deal.

The answer is probably the terrible Fiers/Gomez deal, even though he didn't turn out to be much of a bat for us.
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Harry Dunne said:

tjack16 said:

Who is the last mlb "bat" the Astros have gotten at trade deadline?

Seems like from 2017-2021 our big moves were pitching.

This year I'd really like for us to get Bell. That's my #1 at the moment
Yordan doesn't really count because he wasn't ready to contribute immediately (or hell, maybe he was!)…but folks forget he was a deadline deal.

The answer is probably the terrible Fiers/Gomez deal, even though he didn't turn out to be much of a bat for us.

CarGo didn't do jack for us, and Fiers was the rat because he was butthurt about not making the playoff roster. Luhnow didn't strike out a lot on his trades, but that one was bad
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ttha_aggie_09 said:

Looks like Castro must not be coming back from IL

He'll make a hell of a coach someday.
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Willy Wonka said:

What are the chances we can convince JV to stay?
Why would he go anywhere? His goals are to win A LOT, be an easy lock into the HOF, and achieve more...

What team is better suited to do that over the next 3-4 years?
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ChAg1799 said:

ttha_aggie_09 said:

Looks like Castro must not be coming back from IL

He'll make a hell of a coach someday.


Have to say either way it's a nice round story that we drafted him, he debuted here. Came home for his final seasons and retired. I just didn't like the optics of potentially cutting him mid year, this is much cleaner
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ChAg1799 said:

ttha_aggie_09 said:

Looks like Castro must not be coming back from IL

He'll make a hell of a coach someday.


Let's hope he stays away from being a hitting coach
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bearkatag15 said:

ChAg1799 said:

ttha_aggie_09 said:

Looks like Castro must not be coming back from IL

He'll make a hell of a coach someday.


Let's hope he stays away from being a hitting coach


Isn't the saying: Those who can, do. Those who can't teach….seems like he gets better at being a hitting coach by the season
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ChAg1799 said:

Willy Wonka said:

What are the chances we can convince JV to stay?
Why would he go anywhere? His goals are to win A LOT, be an easy lock into the HOF, and achieve more...

What team is better suited to do that over the next 3-4 years?

I doubt anyone is better suited to win, but going to a blueblood to get the media ass kissing going on & wash the 2017 stink off of him would probably help his HOF chances. I'm not saying that's right, I just think it's probably true.
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Harry Dunne said:

ChAg1799 said:

Willy Wonka said:

What are the chances we can convince JV to stay?
Why would he go anywhere? His goals are to win A LOT, be an easy lock into the HOF, and achieve more...

What team is better suited to do that over the next 3-4 years?

I doubt anyone is better suited to win, but going to a blueblood to get the media ass kissing going on & wash the 2017 stink off of him would probably help his HOF chances. I'm not saying that's right, I just think it's probably true.
JV isn't a question when it comes to the hall. He doesn't need help. He may not be first ballot thanks to certain writers, but he's going to be in the hall.
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If Castro is in fact retiring at least he went out in style. His last at bat was a game winner against the Mets with a home run.
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Do you think that's true for both JV & Altuve?
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I'll say this about JV...If he wins another Cy Young this year or any other for that matter as an Astro then serious consideration should be given to him wearing an Astro hat in the Hall.
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Harry Dunne said:

Do you think that's true for both JV & Altuve?
No. Altuve needs to keep producing for 4-6 more years. He has dropped off the pace for 3,000 hits and isn't likely to get there. If he ends up with 2,500 hits, 250 HRs I doubt he is getting in, even if the game has changed and even if the COVID year robbed half a season from a lot of guys.

I don't think that's right, but it is what it is.
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Ag_07 said:

I'll say this about JV...If he wins another Cy Young this year or any other for that matter as an Astro then serious consideration should be given to him wearing an Astro hat in the Hall.
Doesn't the league decide now? Doubt Manfred let's that happen if he is still commissioner when this goes down.
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My hope is obviously that he wins another CYA and we win another championship ("clean", this time) and the 2017 scandal fades away.

My fear is that more he does as an Astro and the more like it looks like he's wearing the star on his cap, the harder idiot writers are going to work to keep him out.
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Harry Dunne said:

Do you think that's true for both JV & Altuve?
They will be treated totally differently IMHO.

JV will get in 1st ballot easy. As he should. No one has ever said anything about him regarding what was going on in 2017. The only question is what hat. Stay here, win a second CYA while here, win a second WS while here and pitch here another 2 years and I think he goes in wearing a star. Leave here after this year and he goes in as a Tiger. I can see MLB making the choice of Detroit regardless of what happens here.

Jose will get a lot of pushback from media even though everyone has said he had nothing to do with it. Assuming he keeps up his trajectory to get the counting numbers needed I think he waits several years. Maybe as long as Bagwell. The writers have clearly shown they hold players to different standards. Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGuire all out while Ortiz who actually had a failed test makes it first try. One is a media darling and the others aren't.

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You're overthinking it. JV could retire today and he'd be a first ballot HOFer. He's going in as a Tiger. The injury in 20/21ended the long shot of going in as an Astro.

JV leaves because someone offers him 45 M a year and Crane doesn't. If all things are even then he probably stays unless he wants to be closer to home and the baby (LA or Florida?)
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Peaking for the trade deadline. Or growing to push Meyers next year.
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