***** Official 2022 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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Got to the ballpark around 4:45. Longish line for the covered alley entrance on Crawford, but that has so many gates. Started moving at 5, had no problem getting jerseys. Enjoying nice seats in the club level and watching Angels batting practice.



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Tonight's Astro lineup is not too potent.
God made the country, and man made the town. William Cowper

Jet Black
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If Lee can hit above the mendoza line he will easily be our best hitting catcher.
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Yordan probably will be back this weekend if I had to guess
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Beat40 said:

Harry Dunne said:

CFTXAG10 said:

Ag_07 said:

What has LMJ done to come back and be inserted as the #2?

Right now there's no question in my mind that JV is our #1 and Framber is #2. LMJ should insert behind Framber but one could even argue Javier is ahead of him.

To think Lance is just come back like old Lance and be able to both take on a workload and perform at a high level is wishful thinking.

Honestly I would put him the pen and begin his transformation to an elite BP arm. Doubt that happens but that's how would handle him.
I tend to agree with this assessment. As much as I want LMJ to come back and be THE guy, he has to prove it first, and we may not even need him to the way the starters are performing currently. I would LOVE a scenario where the starters continue this performance through the end of the season, and we have LMJ as that lethal 2-3 inning relief guy out of the pen. Then re-assess going into next season with him joining the starting rotation.

Of course, all of this is subject to Click's plan for mid-season acquisitions/dealings if he decides to trade one of our extra arms
Lance hasn't even proven he can be a starting pitcher for a full season. Let him prove that first before you start anointing him as the Ace.

I think it's probably smartest to ramp him up to where he can go 4+ IP in relief during the postseason.


Well, technically all he did start a full season last year. He just didn't make it through the postseason.
Almost. He had 28 starts. A full season would be 32 or 33. Not that we should be comparing everyone to JV, but he did that something like 14 out of 15 years.

Lance was eligible for the ERA title by 1 out… so that's the equivalent of getting 500 PAs (or maybe 450 ABs)…

And that was his career high, and then he broke down after 2 postseason starts. So no, I don't think he's ever going to be a guy that regularly makes 30+ starts and gives you 180 to 200 innings. No matter how good he is, he doesn't have the durability. It's time to understand that and use him smartly so that he can still be a weapon in the postseason.
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The flip side of that coin is that Charlie Morton didn't make 30 starts until he was 34 y/o & is pace to do it for the fourth time since…

But I don't think this is the season to roll the dice on Lance's durability regardless.
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Good opportunity to see what Lee can do before trade deadline and handle whatever was needed for Rule 5
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Jet Black said:

If Lee can hit above the mendoza line he will easily be our best hitting catcher.

Even if he doesn't, as long as he can hit the occasional homer or double at a higher clip than Maldy or Castro, it's a win.
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all right, listening tonight on the ol' AM dial with Robert & Sparky
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AggiEE said:

Jet Black said:

If Lee can hit above the mendoza line he will easily be our best hitting catcher.

Even if he doesn't, as long as he can hit the occasional homer or double at a higher clip than Maldy or Castro, it's a win.


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MLB makes you subscribe to the right in market provider so you can watch your team except when they play on Apple TV
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The Trout slobfest is so annoying.

The guy mashes on a crap team and has done nothing meaningful. He does not deserve MVP consideration
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The picture quality on the AppleTV broadcasts is a major upgrade to the normal AT&T broadcast.
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Javier starts with a K
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Trout K's looking
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whoops, Ohtani visits the second deck
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Remember this kid when KC comes to town next week.
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Ohtani is so good.

Too bad he will never do anything with the Angels.
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tremble said:

Ohtani is so good.

Too bad he will never do anything with the Angels.


He's a free agent after next year. I bet he won't be an angel beyond 2023
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Shohei in 4K
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lead walk for Altuve
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Tuck drops a single over the infield
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Great AB by Tuck. Take advantage, guys.

Nevermind. Well done, Bregs...
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ugh, AB with the 6-4-3
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How the hell is it 90s night and we're not wearing the navy and gold unis?
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I'm impressed by Nolan iniating a convo about chase rate vs whiff rate there.
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Harry Dunne said:

CFTXAG10 said:

Ag_07 said:

What has LMJ done to come back and be inserted as the #2?

Right now there's no question in my mind that JV is our #1 and Framber is #2. LMJ should insert behind Framber but one could even argue Javier is ahead of him.

To think Lance is just come back like old Lance and be able to both take on a workload and perform at a high level is wishful thinking.

Honestly I would put him the pen and begin his transformation to an elite BP arm. Doubt that happens but that's how would handle him.
I tend to agree with this assessment. As much as I want LMJ to come back and be THE guy, he has to prove it first, and we may not even need him to the way the starters are performing currently. I would LOVE a scenario where the starters continue this performance through the end of the season, and we have LMJ as that lethal 2-3 inning relief guy out of the pen. Then re-assess going into next season with him joining the starting rotation.

Of course, all of this is subject to Click's plan for mid-season acquisitions/dealings if he decides to trade one of our extra arms
Lance hasn't even proven he can be a starting pitcher for a full season. Let him prove that first before you start anointing him as the Ace.

I think it's probably smartest to ramp him up to where he can go 4+ IP in relief during the postseason.
The guy who finished 7th in the Cy "can't pitch a full season".

The, arguable, best starter in the postseason last year should just be a bullpen arm.

I am not just directing this at you. The few few pages have been filled with terrible takes on LMJ.
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Can we please stop using the term "punchies"?
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oh my, Yuli bomb!

to the Crawfords
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Yuli's swing is hilarious. That looked like a blind, drunken hack. Home run.
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Don't let Yuli get hot.
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nothing but soft stuff to J.J.
Harry Dunne
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Farmer1906 said:

Harry Dunne said:

CFTXAG10 said:

Ag_07 said:

What has LMJ done to come back and be inserted as the #2?

Right now there's no question in my mind that JV is our #1 and Framber is #2. LMJ should insert behind Framber but one could even argue Javier is ahead of him.

To think Lance is just come back like old Lance and be able to both take on a workload and perform at a high level is wishful thinking.

Honestly I would put him the pen and begin his transformation to an elite BP arm. Doubt that happens but that's how would handle him.
I tend to agree with this assessment. As much as I want LMJ to come back and be THE guy, he has to prove it first, and we may not even need him to the way the starters are performing currently. I would LOVE a scenario where the starters continue this performance through the end of the season, and we have LMJ as that lethal 2-3 inning relief guy out of the pen. Then re-assess going into next season with him joining the starting rotation.

Of course, all of this is subject to Click's plan for mid-season acquisitions/dealings if he decides to trade one of our extra arms
Lance hasn't even proven he can be a starting pitcher for a full season. Let him prove that first before you start anointing him as the Ace.

I think it's probably smartest to ramp him up to where he can go 4+ IP in relief during the postseason.
The guy who finished 7th in the Cy "can't pitch a full season".

The, arguable, best starter in the postseason last year should just be a bullpen arm.

I am not just directing this at you. The few few pages have been filled with terrible takes on LMJ.
you're so full of yourself. If you don't agree with it it's a terrible take and that's always the way you've always been. And you're wrong half the time, just like the rest of us.

No one is saying Lance doesn't have ace stuff. Just that he's not durable.

How much good did that 7th in the CYA award stuff do us when he got shut down? 4 October relief IP of stud is better than none.
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