***** Official 2022 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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10:59a, 7/14/22
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I'm not saying I would do it but what about Garrett Cooper with Miami? He's not quite the hitter Bell is but he wouldn't be a pure rental as you get an extra year out if him and he plays 1B and OF.

The issue there is Miami is only 4 back of the WC and they may feel like they are still in contention.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 11:16a, 7/14/22
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I wouldn't hate it. His lack of HRs & K rate bothers me, but he hits the ball hard and sprays it all over. Good avg, lots of doubles, and draws some walks.
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 11:22a, 7/14/22
Is Judge still unvaccinated? I remember when they changed the rules in NYC so Kyrie could play in the playoffs and Judge as the season was beginning.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 11:22a, 7/14/22
I'd love Bell but ultimately comes down to cost. We have a few prospects I think are a bit overrated that aren't necessarily must haves (Leon being one) but definitely don't want to get into important big league pieces or Hunter Brown. This might also help us get a leg up on an extension if he's already here as well. Seems like a prime free agent target for us given his age, position of need with no prospects and likely dollar figure around $100M.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 11:34a, 7/14/22
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texasaggie2015 said:
I can attest that Michael is VERY connected. He's a friend of mine.
There goes his credibility.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 11:36a, 7/14/22
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helloimustbegoing said:
texasaggie2015 said:
I can attest that Michael is VERY connected. He's a friend of mine.
There goes his credibility.
Damn you're probably right
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In reply to aggiederelict • 11:54a, 7/14/22
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aggiederelict said:
Is Judge still unvaccinated? I remember when they changed the rules in NYC so Kyrie could play in the playoffs and Judge as the season was beginning.

He went with then to Toronto this year, so I'm guessing he got the shots
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 12:00p, 7/14/22
EastCoastAgNc said:
aggiederelict said:
Is Judge still unvaccinated? I remember when they changed the rules in NYC so Kyrie could play in the playoffs and Judge as the season was beginning.

He went with then to Toronto this year, so I'm guessing he got the shots
Guarantee they will allow some medical waiver that us normal people could not get if we needed to travel there. The money from playoff games is to big for the city.
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In reply to n_touch • 12:04p, 7/14/22
apparently not because he got vaccinated
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12:10p, 7/14/22
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so how expensive would Josh Bell be?

2-month rental with an .860 OPS
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In reply to W • 12:18p, 7/14/22
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W said:
so how expensive would Josh Bell be?

2-month rental with an .860 OPS
Washington, right? What do they need? Everything? Usually, don't teams accept a bunch of AA or lower prospects and one MLB ready guy?
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In reply to n_touch • 12:18p, 7/14/22
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n_touch said:
EastCoastAgNc said:
aggiederelict said:
Is Judge still unvaccinated? I remember when they changed the rules in NYC so Kyrie could play in the playoffs and Judge as the season was beginning.

He went with then to Toronto this year, so I'm guessing he got the shots
Guarantee they will allow some medical waiver that us normal people could not get if we needed to travel there. The money from playoff games is to big for the city.

Winning is big too. Handing out waivers takes away a massive home field advantage. The Canadian government has not shown mich in the last year to say they would be willing to give on this at all, especially with case counts rising with the new variant. Not to get political, but things are much less capitalistic up there and way more authoritarian.
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In reply to redline248 • 12:19p, 7/14/22
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redline248 said:
W said:
so how expensive would Josh Bell be?

2-month rental with an .860 OPS
Washington, right? What do they need? Everything? Usually, don't teams accept a bunch of AA or lower prospects and one MLB ready guy?

They owe us for killing the Bryce Harper deal in 2018. Give him to us for free
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12:21p, 7/14/22
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Holy wow this was bad
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 12:31p, 7/14/22
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Yes but it was equally bad for both teams so it was good.

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:56p, 7/14/22
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Yeah. The upside of the extra year helps offset the somewhat lower offensive return.

Assuming Yordans hand is really temporary I still think LHRP is more of a priority. But the massive starter logjam come playoff time is something they need to solve. And that only gets worse when LMJ returns.
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1:02p, 7/14/22
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In reply to W • 1:14p, 7/14/22
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W said:
so how expensive would Josh Bell be?

2-month rental with an .860 OPS
That is the question. What is Bell worth?

Lets look at 2021.

Kyle Schwarber Trade
He's not too dissimilar to Bell. He had 1 year left plus a player option. Limited defensively. Can only play LH, DH, or a very poor 1B. But he was crushing the ball before the trade. .910 OPS in WSH. Boston gave up Aldo Ramirez, a 20-year-old Single A pitching prospect. Baseball America 22nd in the Sox System. SoxProspects had him 8th. Currently, he's 10th in the Nats system per MLB.

Joey Gallo Trade
Gallo was held in much higher regard. I am not entirely sure why, maybe it's the defense. Maybe it was 2 years of control. He was also crushing the ball. .869 OPS in TEX. New York gave up Josh Smith (#14 in NY System per MLB), Ezequiel Duran (#15), Trevor Hauver (#23), & Glen Otto (#28). A much larger and better package, for sure. Duran has moved up to #3, Smith to #8, & Hauver to #18 in the Rangers system. Otto has been on the big league roster (6.16 ERA over 18 starts as a Ranger).

Kris Bryant Trade
A rental, but a probably more valued rental since Bryant isn't locked into corner IF/DH. As a Cub in '21 his OPS was .861. San Fran gave up Alexander Canario (#9 in SF system per MLB) & Caleb Kilian (#30). Based on Kilian's quick rise, he was probably valued much higher than #30. Kilian is now #6 in CHI and got called up while Canario is #18.


Lets assume we have a lesser-rated farm system. Move every trade up 2 prospect spots.

Schwarber Value: #6 Peter Solomon
Gallo Value: #12 Chayne McDermott, #13 Jaime Melendez, #21 Matthew barefoot, #26 Corey Julks
Bryant Value: #7 Shawn Dubin, #28 Spencer Arrighetti

I don't think I'd flinch at any of those deals. I also don't think Bell is going to cost as much as Gallo or Bryant. I don't think Diaz, Leon, or Brown would even be in the conversation.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:18p, 7/14/22
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Yeah I wouldn't hesitate on either of those.

I'm also assuming given the logjam we have that we'd trade someone on the 40 man.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 1:19p, 7/14/22
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Mathguy64 said:
Yeah. The upside of the extra year helps offset the somewhat lower offensive return.

Assuming Yordans hand is really temporary I still think LHRP is more of a priority. But the massive starter logjam come playoff time is something they need to solve. And that only gets worse when LMJ returns.
The starter logjam is real. I don't think we'd part with any young and cheap piece, but I could see Odo. I wonder what he would fetch going to a WC contender with poor starters. I'm looking at STL, SEA, or CLE.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 1:22p, 7/14/22
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Ag_07 said:
Yeah I wouldn't hesitate on either of those.

I'm also assuming given the logjam we have that we'd trade someone on the 40 man.
That would be:
  • Jonathan Bermudez
  • Brandon Bielak
  • Ronel Blanco
  • Shawn Dubin
  • Josh James (IL)
  • Parker Mushinki (IL)
  • Enoli Paredes
  • Peter Solomon
  • Blake Taylor (IL)
  • Forrest Whitley
  • Niko Goodrum
  • Taylor Jones
  • Joe Perez
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1:26p, 7/14/22
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And I just curiously looked to see by chance WAS had a LHP maybe we could include in a Josh Bell deal.

They only have 1 LHP (Patrick Corbin) on their entire active roster. One.
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1:35p, 7/14/22
Just for perspective:

  • Yuli's got a .782 OPS over his last 25 games (95 PA). That's about who he has been for his career.
  • Pena is hitting .218 with a .626 OPS during that same span.

I think sometimes folks disregard hot/cold starts too much and forget about the big picture.

What is more likely:

1. Reigning batting champ Yuli is done OR Yuli will hit more like "himself" the rest of the way?

2. Rookie Pena is going to keep it up and finish with a 6 WAR and MVP votes OR the league has caught up to him a bit and he will do just fine but be more like a .725 OPS guy the rest of the way?

Obviously Pena is the future at SS and it would be dumb to pick anyone up who is going to impede his growth and if Yuli isn't near the end of the line he's pretty close to it, but if we are talking about rentals, I wouldn't give up too much to get a slight upgrade at 1b.

If we can pick up a stud without giving much up that's great, but I think all the freaking out about Yuli's decline is overreacting andc an upgraded utility guy would help us just as much.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 1:57p, 7/14/22
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Harry Dunne said:
Just for perspective:

  • Yuli's got a .782 OPS over his last 25 games (95 PA). That's about who he has been for his career.
  • Pena is hitting .218 with a .626 OPS during that same span.

I think sometimes folks disregard hot/cold starts too much and forget about the big picture.

What is more likely:

1. Reigning batting champ Yuli is done OR Yuli will hit more like "himself" the rest of the way?

2. Rookie Pena is going to keep it up and finish with a 6 WAR and MVP votes OR the league has caught up to him a bit and he will do just fine but be more like a .725 OPS guy the rest of the way?

Obviously Pena is the future at SS and it would be dumb to pick anyone up who is going to impede his growth and if Yuli isn't near the end of the line he's pretty close to it, but if we are talking about rentals, I wouldn't give up too much to get a slight upgrade at 1b.

If we can pick up a stud without giving much up that's great, but I think all the freaking out about Yuli's decline is overreacting andc an upgraded utility guy would help us just as much.
I posted yesterday the case for Yuli so I am not completely writing him off. However, there is a pretty big difference in price and availability of a star rental SS and 1B. Even 2021 Yuli is a significant downgrade from what Bell is doing this year.

How would upgrading at UTL help more? In the playoffs, you don't want a UTL player getting important ABs. Diaz got 7 plate appearances all of 2021. Great utility guys don't exist in the role Diaz has because they end up starting and being versatile (Taylor, Bryant, etc).
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2:30p, 7/14/22
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I have a buddy who just moved to Cleveland so I just booked a trip for the first weekend of August when the Astros are in town. Anyone been there before?
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3:10p, 7/14/22
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https://www.mlb.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-statcast-bat-tracking

New stats.

For all those dumb coaches and dads who said to "swing flat".



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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 3:11p, 7/14/22
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Nah, I've been to Milwaukee though
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3:17p, 7/14/22
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 3:18p, 7/14/22
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texasaggie2015 said:
I have a buddy who just moved to Cleveland so I just booked a trip for the first weekend of August when the Astros are in town. Anyone been there before?
Yes, like 15 years ago. I was pleasantly surprised by Cleveland. The Jake (now progressive) is nice enough for a 30-year-old ballpark. We did the RnR HOF too. We weren't in town long to do much else.
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 3:44p, 7/14/22
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might not have wanted to put up with the garbage L.A. fans
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 3:47p, 7/14/22
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I've heard it's a pretty underrated city.
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In reply to W • 3:47p, 7/14/22
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W said:
might not have wanted to put up with the garbage L.A. fans
The Yankees are in their division. I would imagine he's tuned it out by now
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 3:50p, 7/14/22
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Right because 7-10yr old have that exit velo to carry out.

Youth that hit a perfect launch angle with sun optimal velocity just pop out constantly.

Youth sports and MLB are not on equal playing fields
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3:51p, 7/14/22
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Siri is playing over Chas again....
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