bearkatag15 said:

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Keuchel with some words about the upcoming series in Houston and some not so nice comments about Lunhow.

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Coming from a place of having someone close to me who worked in the front office closely with Luhnow, it's really not shocking to see how people who actually interacted with the guy seem to feel about him.

There wasn't a lot of "poor Jeff" from rank-and-file Astros employees when he was dismissed...there also wasn't a lot of concern that the organization would fall apart; they were actually excited about the prospect of credit being given where it was due instead of glory hounded by him.

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tjack16 said:

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Keuchel was somebody I was upset that we got rid of. He could really help us now and could have helped a lot last year

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He could really help out our bullpen?

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We would not have had to sign odorizzi

Also yeah a starter who goes deep into games does help the bullpen

Some highlights of MLB’s sticky stuff crackdown pic.twitter.com/JKoWYqFYVi

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) June 15, 2021

The Milkman said:

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Marvin said:

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Scheduled our trip to Cleveland over July 4th weekend to watch the Astros. Will catch a Tigers- White Sox game while up there as well. Looking forward to seeing a couple of new stadiums. Anyone been to either of these?

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I'm going to mark off Chicago when we play the White Sox in mid July. I hear Comisky is one of the shockingly best parks to visit. Though it is very much in the south side hood.

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Yes....it's actually a surprisingly nice stadium and it's also in a pretty rough area; my 1st time there about 20 years ago, coming out of the stadium on a relatively cool evening, right in the parking lot was a group of guys who had a nice barrel fire going to keep themselves warm.

Great American Ballpark in Cincy is still the runaway, for me, of parks that I didn't have any thoughts about until I visited and now think it's easily one of the best places in the league.

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Where is Passan's sanctimonious outrage for pitchers blatantly cheating? The Astros stealing signs was about the worst thing imaginable for this guy. But this time it's "oh everyone is doing it" so mlb, teams and players will "work together" to fix it.

Screw this blow hard

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Well, if MLB wasn't trying to keep a seal on information that shows the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. were just as involved in sign stealing as the Astros and it got out there....I'm sure his tone would change there too.

In this case, it's the Yankees & Dodgers pitchers at the forefront of this....so, naturally he is taking a tough stance of *checks notes* saying that it's a systemic problem and everyone needs to knock it off. Make no mistake, though, he will be going through Tampa's results with a fine tooth comb b/c they need to be knocked down a peg or two.

He was a thorn in the Yankees side and I'll always appreciate him for that.

EastCoastAgNc said:

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Some highlights of MLB’s sticky stuff crackdown pic.twitter.com/JKoWYqFYVi

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) June 15, 2021

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Can't wait for the first time Angel Hernandez or Joe West does something consistent with their character and makes it personal with a player.

Another intriguing element of the league's crackdown: teams cannot replace players who get suspended for sticky stuff on the active roster.

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) June 15, 2021

Also interesting: Rosin is allowed by itself, but not when mixed with other substances like sunscreen.

Quote from the memo: “Pitchers have been advised not to apply sunscreen during night games after the sun has gone down or when playing in stadiums with closed roofs.” https://t.co/RUJ77T75Q4

— Danielle Lerner (@danielle_lerner) June 15, 2021

Hopefully none of our guys get popped with the sticky stuff suspension. Would be really nice to have our team never mentioned with this one

The Beef01 said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Keuchel with some words about the upcoming series in Houston and some not so nice comments about Lunhow.

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Coming from a place of having someone close to me who worked in the front office closely with Luhnow, it's really not shocking to see how people who actually interacted with the guy seem to feel about him.

There wasn't a lot of "poor Jeff" from rank-and-file Astros employees when he was dismissed...there also wasn't a lot of concern that the organization would fall apart; they were actually excited about the prospect of credit being given where it was due instead of glory hounded by him.

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Credit always goes to the leader because they are the ones that ultimately make the decisions. These people sound like they have sour grapes.

I don't doubt he was hard to work with but doesn't every GM get the credit?

Never heard of an Assistant GM or any other lower tier FO folks get credit for team success. Not sure what that complaint is all about.

and by the way...the White Sox have played an absolute garbage schedule.

seriously... 32 games vs. the Tigers, Twins, Royals, Orioles, and Rangers.

plus another 12 vs. the Angels, Mariners, Cardinals, and Reds

Exactly

He can bash JL all he wants but in the end Luhnow was the one who was willing to pony up for DK.

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The Beef01 said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Keuchel with some words about the upcoming series in Houston and some not so nice comments about Lunhow.

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Coming from a place of having someone close to me who worked in the front office closely with Luhnow, it's really not shocking to see how people who actually interacted with the guy seem to feel about him.

There wasn't a lot of "poor Jeff" from rank-and-file Astros employees when he was dismissed...there also wasn't a lot of concern that the organization would fall apart; they were actually excited about the prospect of credit being given where it was due instead of glory hounded by him.

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Credit always goes to the leader because they are the ones that ultimately make the decisions. These people sound like they have sour grapes.

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I'd imagine the comments being made are more about credit within the organization. It should be expected the leader gets praise outside of the organization. A good leader internally recognizes those who've helped make them successful and lets upper management know as well.

No idea if Lunhow did this or not.

I hope the offense continues rolling the way it has been and the pitching is SUPERB this series against the Ranger!

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Offensive fWAR ranks (AL):

6. Correa
7. Gurriel
12. Altuve
20. Tucker
23. Bregman
33. Yordan
40. Brantley
56. Straw

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Wait, so Straw is not a below average player at the plate? Don't tell TexAgs!

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No, he's still below avg by about 18%.

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There are 16 teams in the AL with at least nine hitters, which is 144 players. Being 56/144 means you're above average in my book.

Yes, I know what fWAR means and how it is calculated. I'm just saying that if Straw has fWAR that is better than the majority of players, and that makes him above average. (I guess it's more accurate to say above the median, but you get the point.)

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Did the AL poach an NL team for this season?

I know Jeff and I can imagine he would be hard to work for, because he's a guy who is never satisfied and is a workaholic. He got screwed by Manfred because he didn't play nice with other GM's and Crane went along with the charade.

Jeff is doing fine, and will probably never be baseball again. He's managing a $250mil SPAC he started.

But if I was an owner he would be my GM today... but I'm not.

He bet on himself and lost. Jeff wasn't trying to give him a fair deal. He wanted a bargain by paying sooner. DK just couldn't quite replicate what he achieved in 14-15. He thought he could get Greinke, Scherzer, Verlander money.

8 stolen bases!!!!! No way!!!!! That's incredible

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Frok said:

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The Beef01 said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Keuchel with some words about the upcoming series in Houston and some not so nice comments about Lunhow.

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Coming from a place of having someone close to me who worked in the front office closely with Luhnow, it's really not shocking to see how people who actually interacted with the guy seem to feel about him.

There wasn't a lot of "poor Jeff" from rank-and-file Astros employees when he was dismissed...there also wasn't a lot of concern that the organization would fall apart; they were actually excited about the prospect of credit being given where it was due instead of glory hounded by him.

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Credit always goes to the leader because they are the ones that ultimately make the decisions. These people sound like they have sour grapes.

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I'd imagine the comments being made are more about credit within the organization. It should be expected the leader gets praise outside of the organization. A good leader internally recognizes those who've helped make them successful and lets upper management know as well.

No idea if Lunhow did this or not.

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Yep...not sour grapes by those people.

It's hilarious to see people on this thread so defensive of Luhnow when the guy would basically think they were uneducated rubes.

Unless you got your degree from an Ivy League institution, the guy had absolutely no use for your opinions or ideas. He established a system where he rewarded opportunists with the right background and disregarded those without to the organization's detriment.

It's how you wind-up with assistant GMs who essentially lit the match to make your organization an easy target to burn down by baseball writers...simply b/c he (Brandon Taubman) went to Cornell.

#Rays Glasnow update:
Glasnow underwent a MRI this morning in Chicago, which revealed a partial UCL tear as well as flexor strain. A timeline for his return will be determined after further medical evaluation.

— Marc Topkin (@TBTimes_Rays) June 15, 2021

Big news on Glasnow...