Prosperdick said:

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Jackal99 said:

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That's the #1 All-NY Sports Podcast? Maybe #1 in his own house. Maybe.

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If he lives in NY he certainly doesn't live/own a house.

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Prosperdick said:

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jetch17 said:

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man that guy is annoying AF

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Wow...like fingernails on a chalkboard. Enjoy the loss dip****.

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Mathguy64 said:

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I have dug into Joey Gallo more than I have any other non-Astros player. I have about convinced myself he is a statistical outlier for things like OPS and more importantly WAR.

He hits just enough HR's to be valuable in WAR and his OBA is inflated and overvalues his walks by ignoring the fact that he doesnt actually generate hits other than HR's or do anything productive other than hit HRs. Those are nice. Dont get me wrong. But 1 non HR driven in run in 175 ABs is bad. Its 40 plus games of being completely unproductive.

Boone had him batting clean up last night. That is wasting Stanton and Judge getting on in front of him because he's not going to drive them in.

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Harry Dunne said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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I have dug into Joey Gallo more than I have any other non-Astros player. I have about convinced myself he is a statistical outlier for things like OPS and more importantly WAR.

He hits just enough HR's to be valuable in WAR and his OBA is inflated and overvalues his walks by ignoring the fact that he doesnt actually generate hits other than HR's or do anything productive other than hit HRs. Those are nice. Dont get me wrong. But 1 non HR driven in run in 175 ABs is bad. Its 40 plus games of being completely unproductive.

Boone had him batting clean up last night. That is wasting Stanton and Judge getting on in front of him because he's not going to drive them in.

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I agree that some of the stats that are currently en vogue favor Gallo and that he might not be quite as good as those indicate, but the main point is that giving up 4 marginal prospects for a player of his caliber (whatever that actually is) making his salary is not anywhere close to the top of the list of Yankees bad moves/problems.

Yes I think you bat him 9th and live with the golden sombreros and enjoy his hot streaks. He wouldn't have done any worse than Reddick did for us in the playoffs but he might have gotten hot and changed the outcome any of the last 3 seasons.

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Harry Dunne said:

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tjack16 said:

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Brian Cashman prioritizes players like Joey Gallo over players like Michael Brantley, this is where the problem lies

— Earl (@YankeeFanEarl) October 6, 2021

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Gallo getting crapped on a lot, and I won't shed a tear over any Ranger/Yankee, but here are some facts:

1. The Yankees traded 4 prospects who are best described as "guys having a chance to be big leaguers" for a GG outfielder with a career .825 OPS who had a 4.6 WAR this season who is making only $6M and still under team control for another season. He fell apart in NY, but still had a .808 season OPS.

2. Uncle Mike makes $16M, had a 2.5 WAR and a .799 OPS.

3. Gallo gets that OPS & WAR in about as ugly a way as you can get it, but any team in baseball would love to have him at that price. We suddenly find ourselves with some OF depth, but Gallo would have been a clear-cut starter on any of the 100+ W Astros teams and he would have been a big overall improvement on Reddick post-2017 or on any DH prior to Yordan.

I would not trade the beloved Uncle Mike for dirty Gallo now or ever. It's true that a steady hitter who has been clutch in the playoffs is exactly what the Yankees are missing, and while he's perfect for us and all due respect to Mike, the last thing the Yankees need is an aging outfielder whose defensive skills are declining, misses a lot of time and makes a lot of money. They already have plenty of that.

So no, prioritizing players like Gallo (cheap, good value) over players like Uncle Mike is not the problem. Gallo's WAR is almost as much as Stanton and LeMahieu combined.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Random Question - Is Adam Wainwright a HOFer?

No Cys, but after this year he should have 5 finishes at #2 or #3.
2K Strike Outs
Chance at 200 wins with a strong year next year.
Career ERA of 3.35
9 year prime (24-33) ERA 2.97
40.2 Career WAR
28 Postseason games (15 starts, 8 CGs)
Career Postseason ERA 2.89

I think if we solely base it off of the past entrants, the answer is no, but moving forward I think this is going to look like a yes. Outside of a small group of elite pitchers (Verlander, Scherzer, Greinke, Kershaw, deGrom) who else is really trending to make it in?

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Similar to Oswalt.

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Deluxe said:

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The Yankees are in some pretty real trouble. I think they can probably stay relevant but they're not even close to being true World Series contenders.

They paid an ace 9/$325mm because they thought he was the missing piece of the puzzle. And he's been good, but no sticky stuff means he's not worth nearly they money they paid. He's also virtually untradable now without picking up a massive tab so they're basically stuck with him. The Yankees justified the rough economics on the back end with the idea that they're adding a top tier pitcher in the prime of his career in the middle of their "title window" (like how they justified the Sabathia signing in 2009). Now they're nearing the end of that window with no ring to show for it.

Judge is about to start getting expensive and they basically have to pay him. They're probably stuck with Stanton too (unless they're willing to pick up a massive tab). That will add up to $100mm+ long term on three players. If they want to keep Rizzo (which I think they do because they NEEEEED a lefty presence in their lineup), call it $125mm+ for four players.

It MAYBE could work if they had a plethora of young/cheap talent to supplement those guys. But their roster is UGLY beyond those four. Without the benefit of secret cameras around the ballpark hunting down pitcher tips, Torres, Urshela and DJ have gone from mashers in 2019 to very very average players. People look at the headliners in their lineup and instinctively think they have a great offense. Not true in the least. wRc+ of 101 this past year. They've very average. DJ 100. Torres 94. Urshela 96. Sanchez 99. Gardner 93. It's becoming increasingly clear that those mainstays were very dependent on the Yankees' extracurricular activities.

Their starting pitching/bullpen was good this year and adding a full season of Severino back into the mix should help. But rotation depth is lacking. Chapman will be another year older.

I just don't see it with the Yankees going forward. Maybe they can make another run or two at it, but with the Red Sox, Blue Jays and Rays on the rise in their division, I just don't see them as serious contenders. As of today I'd have them 4th in the AL East next year. Every year they try to make a run is just another year of pushing an inevitable rebuild down the road. They kinda remind me of the Astros "final run" in 2008 before the reality of a long rebuild set in. Patch work roster with some big names but tons of flaws.

Love every second of it.

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Deluxe said:

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The Yankees are in some pretty real trouble. I think they can probably stay relevant but they're not even close to being true World Series contenders.

They paid an ace 9/$325mm because they thought he was the missing piece of the puzzle. And he's been good, but no sticky stuff means he's not worth nearly they money they paid. He's also virtually untradable now without picking up a massive tab so they're basically stuck with him. The Yankees justified the rough economics on the back end with the idea that they're adding a top tier pitcher in the prime of his career in the middle of their "title window" (like how they justified the Sabathia signing in 2009). Now they're nearing the end of that window with no ring to show for it.

Judge is about to start getting expensive and they basically have to pay him. They're probably stuck with Stanton too (unless they're willing to pick up a massive tab). That will add up to $100mm+ long term on three players. If they want to keep Rizzo (which I think they do because they NEEEEED a lefty presence in their lineup), call it $125mm+ for four players.

It MAYBE could work if they had a plethora of young/cheap talent to supplement those guys. But their roster is UGLY beyond those four. Without the benefit of secret cameras around the ballpark hunting down pitcher tips, Torres, Urshela and DJ have gone from mashers in 2019 to very very average players. People look at the headliners in their lineup and instinctively think they have a great offense. Not true in the least. wRc+ of 101 this past year. They've very average. DJ 100. Torres 94. Urshela 96. Sanchez 99. Gardner 93. It's becoming increasingly clear that those mainstays were very dependent on the Yankees' extracurricular activities.

Their starting pitching/bullpen was good this year and adding a full season of Severino back into the mix should help. But rotation depth is lacking. Chapman will be another year older.

I just don't see it with the Yankees going forward. Maybe they can make another run or two at it, but with the Red Sox, Blue Jays and Rays on the rise in their division, I just don't see them as serious contenders. As of today I'd have them 4th in the AL East next year. Every year they try to make a run is just another year of pushing an inevitable rebuild down the road. They kinda remind me of the Astros "final run" in 2008 before the reality of a long rebuild set in. Patch work roster with some big names but tons of flaws.

Love every second of it.

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Farmer1906 said:

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But the Yankees are players for Correa, right? That'll solve everything.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Deluxe said:

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The Yankees are in some pretty real trouble. I think they can probably stay relevant but they're not even close to being true World Series contenders.

They paid an ace 9/$325mm because they thought he was the missing piece of the puzzle. And he's been good, but no sticky stuff means he's not worth nearly they money they paid. He's also virtually untradable now without picking up a massive tab so they're basically stuck with him. The Yankees justified the rough economics on the back end with the idea that they're adding a top tier pitcher in the prime of his career in the middle of their "title window" (like how they justified the Sabathia signing in 2009). Now they're nearing the end of that window with no ring to show for it.

Judge is about to start getting expensive and they basically have to pay him. They're probably stuck with Stanton too (unless they're willing to pick up a massive tab). That will add up to $100mm+ long term on three players. If they want to keep Rizzo (which I think they do because they NEEEEED a lefty presence in their lineup), call it $125mm+ for four players.

It MAYBE could work if they had a plethora of young/cheap talent to supplement those guys. But their roster is UGLY beyond those four. Without the benefit of secret cameras around the ballpark hunting down pitcher tips, Torres, Urshela and DJ have gone from mashers in 2019 to very very average players. People look at the headliners in their lineup and instinctively think they have a great offense. Not true in the least. wRc+ of 101 this past year. They've very average. DJ 100. Torres 94. Urshela 96. Sanchez 99. Gardner 93. It's becoming increasingly clear that those mainstays were very dependent on the Yankees' extracurricular activities.

Their starting pitching/bullpen was good this year and adding a full season of Severino back into the mix should help. But rotation depth is lacking. Chapman will be another year older.

I just don't see it with the Yankees going forward. Maybe they can make another run or two at it, but with the Red Sox, Blue Jays and Rays on the rise in their division, I just don't see them as serious contenders. As of today I'd have them 4th in the AL East next year. Every year they try to make a run is just another year of pushing an inevitable rebuild down the road. They kinda remind me of the Astros "final run" in 2008 before the reality of a long rebuild set in. Patch work roster with some big names but tons of flaws.

Love every second of it.

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Inject this straight into my veins.

They had 7 players with OPS+ >100 this year.

3 only played a handful of games and don't count.

The other 4 Voit, Rizzo, Stanton, and Judge. Ages 30, 31, 31, 29. Not young players. No cheap players.

The only young guy they have is Torres and his stats offensive resemble an aging 2020 Josh Reddick, not a true core member of a playoff team.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Inject this straight into my veins.

They had 7 players with OPS+ >100 this year.

3 only played a handful of games and don't count.

The other 4 Voit, Rizzo, Stanton, and Judge. Ages 30, 31, 31, 29. Not young players. No cheap players.

The only young guy they have is Torres and his stats offensive resemble an aging 2020 Josh Reddick, not a true core member of a playoff team.

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