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agproducer said:

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I want to know the other 8 teams. If MLB is going to do this to the Astros, it needs to fully investigate the others.

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Since they used us to send the message, other teams will get no where near the harshness. I doubt we'll ever know the other teams outside of the Red Sox. MLB was forced into issuing penalties from the article that came out 3 months back. If that article doesn't come out, no one is investiagated.

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It is just wishful thinking. Some teams will still do it after this.

If MLB was truly serious about rooting out all of it, they'd go after all the other teams.

But, think about it: The Astros are giving up $5 million and 4 high draft picks for WS title. We also lose Luhnow and Hinch. Was it worth it?

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I'm an Astros fan and will always be but it's hard not to be bitter as hell towards Major League Baseball unless they actually lay down some big punishments against some of these other organizations.

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As I said earlier, name the 8 teams. But, the MLB won't. It will make the Astros as an example in hopes of scaring the other teams straight.

Sign stealing is part of the game. MLB brought the live video to dugouts. When it started, there wasn't anything clearly stated about the use of electronics.

The Red Sox and Yankees got caught using Apple watches, and MLB didn't do anything. Just a memo threatening harsh penalties. Red Sox, Yankees and Dodgers got pissed they lost in 2017, so they pressured MLB to investigate the Astros.

Cora may get the permaban, but I think this will likely be it for team punishment because MLB won't do anything to those historic clubs.

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I also don't think you will see Cora get anything other than at most a quiet token slap on the wrist and Beltran won't suffer any consequences at all. MLB doesn't want this dragging out and Beltran was a player. They know what Cora did. If Manfred wanted his skin they would have taken it yesterday. All at once. The fact that he didn't is telling. Cora will get a pass.

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tjholley16 said:

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Well I'm guessing after yesterday .... Astros fans see the Patriots in a different light

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My biggest thing is does Fiers become an outcast to the rest of the players, minus the A's?

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Multiple ownership-level sources told ESPN that dissatisfaction with the penalties had emerged following a conference call with Manfred, in which he explained how the Astros would be disciplined, then told teams to keep their thoughts to themselves.

"The impression," one person familiar with the call told ESPN, "was that the penalty for complaining would be more than Houston got."

"Crane won," [a team president] said. "The entire thing was programmed to protect the future of the franchise. He got his championship. He keeps his team. His fine is nothing. The sport lost, but Crane won."

Between the evidence incriminating Cora and Hinch's firing paving the way for managerial dismissals, the end of Cora's time in Boston could be coming, two sources with knowledge of the team's thinking told ESPN.

That choice registered publicly as another curious part of Manfred's ultimate decision. What sort of disciplinary action clears players for a "player-driven" scheme? The answer is a practical one. Between the well-defined lines that held GMs and managers responsible and the fear of the Major League Baseball Players Association defending any discipline against active players and sending the cases into grievance hell, Manfred's pragmatism here, though not satisfying, is understandable.

Already this has stretched beyond his level of comfort. Initially, Manfred planned on limiting the investigation to the Astros. Now MLB is looking into the Red Sox -- and considering their use of an Apple Watch to relay signs in August 2017 was the original sin of modern technological cheating, the penalties for any second offense could be severe. Though they're the only other team with a known investigation pending, Sports Illustrated reported that the Astros named eight other teams they believe cheated in 2017 and 2018 -- and Crane said "the commissioner assured me that every team and every allegation will be checked out."

The rest of baseball is bracing for the fallout of the Astros' punishment, and most do believe one purpose was served: that Manfred's disciplinary choices will prompt the rank-and-file to avoid any sort of electronically aided sign-stealing schemes.

"It will scare employees of MLB teams from cheating, at least for a while," one high-ranking executive said, "and the man who owns the team gets to enjoy his ring. He gets off lightly and can start with a clean slate."

This refrain was common inside the game, and it came with a question that was rhetorical-but-not-really, one that illustrated how Jim Crane won the day that his franchise lost. How many owners in baseball would trade $5 million, four high draft picks and the firing of their GM and manager in exchange for a World Series title?

Twenty-five? Twenty-eight? All 30? "I don't know that I would," one team president said, "but I don't know that I wouldn't." It was an honest answer. The decisions made in search of championships, in service of winning, are complicated. Right and wrong blur. It's why Manfred chafes at the complaints of owners. How many are being honest about what they'd do in that same scenario?

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The Astros thing that makes the least sense to me is why A.J. Hinch twice damaged the sign-stealing monitor "to signal his disapproval of the scheme," but didn't actually, you know, as manager just tell his team to stop doing it.

That's the thing that truly baffles me, and the only answer that makes sense to me is that there's one more part to the story that we're not getting.

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"Crane won," [a team president] said. "The entire thing was programmed to protect the future of the franchise. He got his championship. He keeps his team. His fine is nothing. The sport lost, but Crane won."

"It will scare employees of MLB teams from cheating, at least for a while," one high-ranking executive said, "and the man who owns the team gets to enjoy his ring. He gets off lightly and can start with a clean slate."

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The Astros thing that makes the least sense to me is why A.J. Hinch twice damaged the sign-stealing monitor "to signal his disapproval of the scheme," but didn't actually, you know, as manager just tell his team to stop doing it.

That's the thing that truly baffles me, and the only answer that makes sense to me is that there's one more part to the story that we're not getting.

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He was actively against this stuff and made moves to correct it.

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