If everybody else is indeed doing this then it should be somewhat easy to prove as there is footage of every pitch for all teams. How are the other teams getting the signal to the batter? The trash can made it easy to prove in our case.

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That is going to be the most interesting thing about next year. We will get booed in several places next year. Will be interesting to see how the team responds to all of this on the field.

Spring training press conferences are going be interesting too.

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Just start randomly banging trash cans, whistling, or making bird sounds when we're at bat, and then clapping or something after the home team gets the signs from their manager/base coach. The guys like to have fun, and this is something they can make fun on away games while ****ing with the other team.

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The Astros and possibly the Red Sox will be the escape goats for this. Other teams are doing. Two teams were pinned to take the fall to protect the MLB product.

This is the steroid controversy in reverse. You start naming more teams and the MLB product takes a hit especially if it's in big markets like New York, LA, and Boston.

You lose viewers, you lose money and MLB knows this.

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Always tough being the escape goat. F MLB for doing that to us.

Cora can not get away with only being punished for Red Sox incidents. These findings are being conducted by the MLB.

The person involved in ANY illegal actions can not just run to a new team and then not be held accountable. That also includes any Yankees that move on and bring things to the surface.

Nino Brown said:

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Cora can not get away with only being punished for Red Sox incidents. These findings are being conducted by the MLB.

The person involved in ANY illegal actions can not just run to a new team and then not be held accountable. That also includes any Yankees that move on and bring things to the surface.

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He will be. Just gotta be patient and let MLB finish up the Red Sox investigation.

Typing on phone and somehow was autocorrected..

Trying to take some attention off the Astros.

Laugh it up

If you really want to take attention off the Astros, now would be a great time to drop a bombshell about the Patriots or Rams (completely different levels, I know, but the Rams are nationally closer to the Astros level than the Pats are.)

So I agree with the takes above that they should have hit Cora yesterday as well......but I think the main reason it is being delayed is to see if they can determine what he did in 2018. They probably already have an idea what his punishment will be for 2017, but if he was proven to have done more than what is already known in 2018 or maybe even what was done in 2019 in Boston....that is what will get him the permaban.

So with that in mind I am glad they announced ours now instead of right before spring training for example when they are able to conclude the Red Sox portion.

I also think they may, just may use him as a way to get to Beltran and his time in Ysankee land like we alluded to from his post game interview before.....Part of me believes that this whole thing is truly a Carlos Beltran clown show and maybe theyre looking for a way to get him without having to touch any other active players. If you can tie something to him from 2018, or his 2019 time with the yankees as an executive, then spin that as being just him and a few current players which absolves their milk cow, the yankees...even if you want to hit them with a loss of pick and a small fine, grand scheme that is quickly forgotten

I think the Red Sox get hit as well. After that, I don't think anyone else will. They will make examples of both clubs and the others that did it will just fall in line. There will be rumblings inside all clubhouses about other teams, but thats it. The Astros and Red Sox are going to be McGwire, Bonds, Palmeiro, and Sosa, while all other teams will be Bagwell, IRod, Juangone, Greg Vaughn ,etc. It's fairly obvious the latter used PEDs, but MLB wanted to go after the big violators that actually benefitted by winning champioships, ie HR titles.

So yesterday Stephen A. Smith says he thinks the punishment is excessive, and today he says the Astros should be stripped of their title?

Is the guy schizo?

This is getting worse and worse.

And I think they may go after Beltran for two reasons...

One being he's not a current player protected by the MLBPA

Two being that he's currently still in the league. He's not retired and actually managing a team.

I think those two reasons will open the door the them somehow getting him with some kind of punishment.

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And I think they may go after Beltran for two reasons...

One being he's not a current player protected by the MLBPA

Two being that he's currently still in the league. He's not retired and actually managing a team.

I think those two reasons will open the door the them somehow getting him with some kind of punishment.

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Bet not. I think we should hire him as manager, but Crane wouldn't dare.

Well he was just hired to manage the Mets but regardless yeah you're right.

Crane wants a clean slate which is why I'm not so sure he hands it over to Espada.

How are we holding up over here?

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Well he was just hired to manage the Mets but regardless yeah you're right.

Crane wants a clean slate which is why I'm not so sure he hands it over to Espada.

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Espada wasn't here in 2017

AggieLit said:

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So yesterday Stephen A. Smith says he thinks the punishment is excessive, and today he says the Astros should be stripped of their title?

Is the guy schizo?

This is getting worse and worse.

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That's because he has no conviction about anything he says. He will say whatever the flavor of the hour is, because he's a POS who lacks actual critical thinking skills

bobinator said:

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How are we holding up over here?

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What do you think? Did what you expected based on your inside info align with what shook out?

Yeah... at least all of the operational details. I had no idea what the MLB was actually going to do. Kinda figured it was going to be pretty bad though.

I just don't understand how they thought they'd get away with it when there's that much organizational turnover in pro baseball.

I know

I just think Crane wants a complete break from all this and the past regime.

Plus I think if he planned on giving the job to Espada wouldn't he have done that yesterday? Why not just say Espada is our new manager?

Just my personal take

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Yeah... at least all of the operational details. I had no idea what the MLB was actually going to do. Kinda figured it was going to be pretty bad though.

I just don't understand how they thought they'd get away with it when there's that much organizational turnover in pro baseball.

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It's interesting to think about what each of the 13 position players on our roster must have been thinking. Assuming it was a concoction of Cora/Beltran, part of me almost exempts Bregman, Correa and a few of the younger guys from too much fault. If you've got long time vets in the clubhouse telling you that every team is doing it to some extent, it's hard to tell them no. I also get the sense that Beltran has installed something like this with every club he's been on the previous 10 years, so he probably felt some invincibility. At the very least, he thought he had plausible deniability by just saying "the pitcher was tipping" if he was ever accused.

But ultimately you are right. Crazy that all those guys didn't take into account the possibility that a snakey disgruntled ex-Astro who would rat them out.

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Crazy that all those guys didn't take into account the possibility that a snakey disgruntled ex-Astro who would rat them out.

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They know now

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AggieLit said:

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So yesterday Stephen A. Smith says he thinks the punishment is excessive, and today he says the Astros should be stripped of their title?

Is the guy schizo?

This is getting worse and worse.

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That's because he has no conviction about anything he says. He will say whatever the flavor of the hour is, because he's a POS who lacks actual critical thinking skills

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Or because he's a genius when it comes to making people talk about him two days in a row. Looks like it worked again.

AggieLit said:

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So yesterday Stephen A. Smith says he thinks the punishment is excessive, and today he says the Astros should be stripped of their title?

Is the guy schizo?

This is getting worse and worse.

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He said he was not aware of the extent that the Astros went above and beyond other teams that the report listed.

He seems to be of the opinion that the Astros, and maybe the Redsox with Cora, are the only teams that used a live video feed to communicate sign tips to the players.

To me it doesn't look like that is the case.