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We've been overachieving all year, especially the past month. Just wasn't sustainable.

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Agreed. And IMO, they need to sell high on some of the guys before they come back down to earth.

This Phillips Valdez kid is looking pretty good tonight in extended innings out of the pen. But man, somebody needs to feed that kid! Looks like a string bean out there.

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Someone in the front office or ownership group has apparently interjected on odors behalf.

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You've been claiming for 2 years that the FO is making lineup decisions, specifically that Odor be in the lineup. This is with two different managers - Woody and Banny. It is time to put up or shut up. Who gave the order for a Code Odor?

I would like to see Santana in the lineup. He deserves time in the game. However, baseball isn't just showing up for today. If Woody has Santana out of the lineup, he has earned my trust that he might know a little more about the strategy that has gotten them where they are, than just a tactical plugging in one guy or another.

Santana could be getting some field time at a new position (3B?), or he could be sitting because he slept wrong on his neck, or is constipated.

Odor is 8-for-his last 23, .348.

I trust Woody and unless you have a name... or proof, there is no reason to imply Woody or the FO is playing politics.

I get that Odor is personal to you. I'm not sure why you refuse to own it and disclose what it is that he has done to you, but it is tiresome. Batting .348, and you seem to think Woody is ONLY playing him because of politics.

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You can cherry pick all the stats you want. Odor sucks period. I don't know why you insist on defending him. He's a HUGE hole in this lineup and his contract is likely the only reason he continues to get playing time.

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So, stating he is hitting .348 for his past 23 ABs is cherry-picking stats? Ummm... Ok. He is clearly on of the hottest Rangers player coming into this game. They just showed the RANGERS were 1 for 18 with runners on base. That isn't an Odor sucks... it is the Rangers are getting beat by the pitchers.

I'm not defending Odor, I want Grape to justify accusing Woody of playing politics with players. Maybe ... just Maybe... Woody knows a little more than Grape?!

What does bother me, regarding Grape and Odor... is that he actively roots against him. It is very personal, for him.

I want Santana to do well. I want Odor to do well. I want the Rangers to do well, and if rooting for their success is viewed as defending them, then, we likely have a different world-view when it comes to supporting a team. And that is ok, if you want to root against a player on your team. That doesn't mean I won't call it for what it is.

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I'm only going to address this once. I've seen this accusation before. Odor has not slept with my wife or girlfriend, odor has not hit my kid, odor has not personally wronged me in anyway.

As someone who has watched 140+ ranger games the last few years, Odor has really started to wear on me. The chances of him being in the lineup when I watch a game are over 90%. The guy is so mistake prone on the bases, his bat has a massive hole through it, and the way he's treated by our team just drives me insane.


It all started when we traded Kinsler for fielder. At the time, I loved the trade because Mitch Moreland just wasn't working out at 1st base. Nobody knew that prince fielder had health problems already, I guess our doctors screwed up. The other big reason the trade was made was to clear room for profar. Unfortunately for the team, Profar also had health issues. Odor burst onto the scene and played well. He played well enough for JD to prematurely give odor a contract extension.

I never liked the Banny era and you can tell that Odor was his favorite player. I think Banny and Brocail were the worst coaches in MLB.

Here we are in 2019, We've seen many players throughout the years be expected to perform or go kick rocks, but the rangers actually make excuses and cover up the "stink" of odor's play. The way they approach it, it almost seems like they don't care that he's extremely terrible ( statistically, the worst regular player since 2017).

You'd think a player that bad would have to worry about a demotion or a reduction in playing time. Nope, no, and definitely not. Odor recently passed the 5 year mark and he has to accept a demotion to the minors. The club seemed to not even remotely consider the possibility of sending him down and they seem almost relieved that he's reached the 5 year mark so that they don't have to hear fans clamor for a demotion.

Why is his playing time not cut? If this was 2018, I wouldn't care. We had a bench of Drew Robinson, Carlos tocci, and Ryan Rua. Those guys are all garbage players. The bench this year is actually one of our strengths.
Santana and forsythe have been playing circles around Odor. Anyone with eyes can see that.

We are at the highest level. You can't get any higher than MLB. There should be some level of meritocracy on a team where results matter and the goal should be to win. Players who hurt the team should be penalized, demoted, or released if they can't contribute in a positive manner. Automatically giving Odor playing time without bothering to analyze his results or compare alternatives is one of the dumbest things this front office can do.

We would've been better off keeping Ian kinsler in my opinion. The Second base position has been an unmitigated disaster for this team for the longest time.

As someone who watches this team on a regular basis, Odor and the way this organization treats him, is trying my patience. I think we can and should do better. I don't think he will ever be the bad azz at second base that JD seems to think he will be.

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I'm only going to address this once. I've seen this accusation before. Odor has not slept with my wife or girlfriend, odor has not hit my kid, odor has not personally wronged me in anyway.

As someone who has watched 140+ ranger games the last few years, Odor has really started to wear on me. The chances of him being in the lineup when I watch a game are over 90%. The guy is so mistake prone on the bases, his bat has a massive hole through it, and the way he's treated by our team just drives me insane.


It all started when we traded Kinsler for fielder. At the time, I loved the trade because Mitch Moreland just wasn't working out at 1st base. Nobody knew that prince fielder had health problems already, I guess our doctors screwed up. The other big reason the trade was made was to clear room for profar. Unfortunately for the team, Profar also had health issues. Odor burst onto the scene and played well. He played well enough for JD to prematurely give odor a contract extension.

I never liked the Banny era and you can tell that Odor was his favorite player. I think Banny and Brocail were the worst coaches in MLB.

Here we are in 2019, We've seen many players throughout the years be expected to perform or go kick rocks, but the rangers actually make excuses and cover up the "stink" of odor's play. The way they approach it, it almost seems like they don't care that he's extremely terrible ( statistically, the worst regular player since 2017).

You'd think a player that bad would have to worry about a demotion or a reduction in playing time. Nope, no, and definitely not. Odor recently passed the 5 year mark and he has to accept a demotion to the minors. The club seemed to not even remotely consider the possibility of sending him down and they seem almost relieved that he's reached the 5 year mark so that they don't have to hear fans clamor for a demotion.

Why is his playing time not cut? If this was 2018, I wouldn't care. We had a bench of Drew Robinson, Carlos tocci, and Ryan Rua. Those guys are all garbage players. The bench this year is actually one of our strengths.
Santana and forsythe have been playing circles around Odor. Anyone with eyes can see that.

We are at the highest level. You can't get any higher than MLB. There should be some level of meritocracy on a team where results matter and the goal should be to win. Players who hurt the team should be penalized, demoted, or released if they can't contribute in a positive manner. Automatically giving Odor playing time without bothering to analyze his results or compare alternatives is one of the dumbest things this front office can do.

We would've been better off keeping Ian kinsler in my opinion. The Second base position has been an unmitigated disaster for this team for the longest time.

As someone who watches this team on a regular basis, Odor and the way this organization treats him, is trying my patience. I think we can and should do better. I don't think he will ever be the bad azz at second base that JD seems to think he will be.

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We likely watch (listen) a similar number of games.

I liked the Kinsler for Fielder trade because Kinsler became the guy who popped up to the short OF swining for a HR, when all we needed was a base hit, or Sac. He fell asleep on the basepaths, getting picked off, and made boneheaded plays that were glaring.

I don't think the Fielder health issue was forseeable. I don't think the Dr missed anything... it was just one of those things.

His contract provided a couple horses, along with:
$1.33M (2017-age 23): 162 G, .204, 30 HR, 15 SB
$3.33M (2018-age 24): 129 G, .253, 18 HR, 12 SB
$7.83M (2019-age 25): 69 G, .189, 10 HR, 7 SB

'17 and '18 were a bargain. League minimum was $537K, $560K, and $605K. 2019 is left to be seen. If he gets to .250, 25 HRs, 20 SB, I'll be happy. It wasn't premature. By age 23, Odor had 2 Serf years already. JD bought out a Serf year, and all 3 of his Arb years. You would have to go back to the Arb results of 2018, to determine if it was a bad contract... I'm betting the Rangers won on that deal.

Banny and Brocail are likely among the worst. No question or debate from me.

You keep saying he is the worst regular player since 2017... please explain that to me.

One reason his playing time hasn't been cut, is because of injury, and a lack of other options. Just because YOU think Santana is a viable option... doesn't make him a regular every day 2B. His hitting is coming back down to Earth.

He is hitting well against RHP (.326), but not as good against LHP (.216).

His monthly splits:
15G, .339 Apr/Mar
20G, .241 May
24G, .308 June

His position splits:
9G @ 1B, when Guzman was hurt
14G @ 2B, when Odor was hurt
25G in OF
4G at SS

If the Rangers felt he was an everyday 2B, he'd be playing there more. What WE don't know... is how comfortable he is at 2B. During one of the rain delays, they covered him learning 1B. His statement was essentially: "The time I play first base in a game, I'm going to be pretty nervous." What I loved about that was his honesty and transparency. He loves being with the Rangers and Woody has done everything right in putting him in situations that he could succeed, and ensuring he is prepared for what is being asked of him. He comes across as someone who is willing to do whatever is asked of him to stay with the club... yet, transparent enough to not want to hurt the team. It could very well be Santana's decision... or that he is fine with Woody's decision to play Odor at 2B. I have no idea and no insight. But, I trust Woody.

Regarding Kinsler:
2017 (35): 139 G, .236, 22 HR, 14 SB <- $11M
2018 (36): 128 G, .240, 14 HR, 16 SB <- $11M
2019 (37): 70 G, .223, 8 HR, 2 SB <- $3.75M

For someone who frets a high salary, I find it disingenuous that you'd have preferred Kinsler for '17 & '18 at $22M vs $4.6M for Odor. In fact, in '13 (age 31) Kinsler made $13M from the Rangers in his final season. So, I reject that we'd have been better off keeping Kinsler. Odor as been very cheap for the same player.

The truth is, Odor is becoming the same player Kinsler was, and I dislike Odor for the same reasons I don't like Kinsler.

I've said this a number of times... Odor will likely retire with some of the most gaudy numbers for a 2B. He is T-41 for most career HRs by a 2B, with 116.
14 more HRs this season, and he'll be at 140, which is 31st, and would tie him with Dustin Predroia. And he is 2 years away from reaching his prime.

If Odor will adapt his game like Gallo has (.276, 20 HR)...and Mazara has (.262, 12 HR), he has a very high ceiling. We are seeing some glimpses, but then he decides to go back to where he was. Like tonight. I think Woody and the Hitting Coach are doing a great job and he will get there. Yes, he needs to focus on RBIs as much as HRs. Fixing what the last group of coaches did, focusing on HRs, without regard for Ks, will take some time to improve.

He has the ability and I trust Woody to do what is necessary to achieve that ability. If that means getting benched for Santana, or battling through, I'm going to trust Woody. Woody doesn't seem to be a guy susceptible to political pressure.

I believe it was Federowicz... Woody was asked about him, when the Rangers acquired him. His comment indicated to me, that he has final roster decision. And unless I see or hear otherwise... I have no reason to believe otherwise.

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I'm only going to address this once. I've seen this accusation before. Odor has not slept with my wife or girlfriend, odor has not hit my kid, odor has not personally wronged me in anyway.

As someone who has watched 140+ ranger games the last few years, Odor has really started to wear on me. The chances of him being in the lineup when I watch a game are over 90%. The guy is so mistake prone on the bases, his bat has a massive hole through it, and the way he's treated by our team just drives me insane.


It all started when we traded Kinsler for fielder. At the time, I loved the trade because Mitch Moreland just wasn't working out at 1st base. Nobody knew that prince fielder had health problems already, I guess our doctors screwed up. The other big reason the trade was made was to clear room for profar. Unfortunately for the team, Profar also had health issues. Odor burst onto the scene and played well. He played well enough for JD to prematurely give odor a contract extension.

I never liked the Banny era and you can tell that Odor was his favorite player. I think Banny and Brocail were the worst coaches in MLB.

Here we are in 2019, We've seen many players throughout the years be expected to perform or go kick rocks, but the rangers actually make excuses and cover up the "stink" of odor's play. The way they approach it, it almost seems like they don't care that he's extremely terrible ( statistically, the worst regular player since 2017).

You'd think a player that bad would have to worry about a demotion or a reduction in playing time. Nope, no, and definitely not. Odor recently passed the 5 year mark and he has to accept a demotion to the minors. The club seemed to not even remotely consider the possibility of sending him down and they seem almost relieved that he's reached the 5 year mark so that they don't have to hear fans clamor for a demotion.

Why is his playing time not cut? If this was 2018, I wouldn't care. We had a bench of Drew Robinson, Carlos tocci, and Ryan Rua. Those guys are all garbage players. The bench this year is actually one of our strengths.
Santana and forsythe have been playing circles around Odor. Anyone with eyes can see that.

We are at the highest level. You can't get any higher than MLB. There should be some level of meritocracy on a team where results matter and the goal should be to win. Players who hurt the team should be penalized, demoted, or released if they can't contribute in a positive manner. Automatically giving Odor playing time without bothering to analyze his results or compare alternatives is one of the dumbest things this front office can do.

We would've been better off keeping Ian kinsler in my opinion. The Second base position has been an unmitigated disaster for this team for the longest time.

As someone who watches this team on a regular basis, Odor and the way this organization treats him, is trying my patience. I think we can and should do better. I don't think he will ever be the bad azz at second base that JD seems to think he will be.

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We likely watch (listen) a similar number of games.

I liked the Kinsler for Fielder trade because Kinsler became the guy who popped up to the short OF swining for a HR, when all we needed was a base hit, or Sac. He fell asleep on the basepaths, getting picked off, and made boneheaded plays that were glaring.

I don't think the Fielder health issue was forseeable. I don't think the Dr missed anything... it was just one of those things.

His contract provided a couple horses, along with:
$1.33M (2017-age 23): 162 G, .204, 30 HR, 15 SB
$3.33M (2018-age 24): 129 G, .253, 18 HR, 12 SB
$7.83M (2019-age 25): 69 G, .189, 10 HR, 7 SB

'17 and '18 were a bargain. League minimum was $537K, $560K, and $605K. 2019 is left to be seen. If he gets to .250, 25 HRs, 20 SB, I'll be happy. It wasn't premature. By age 23, Odor had 2 Serf years already. JD bought out a Serf year, and all 3 of his Arb years. You would have to go back to the Arb results of 2018, to determine if it was a bad contract... I'm betting the Rangers won on that deal.

Banny and Brocail are likely among the worst. No question or debate from me.

You keep saying he is the worst regular player since 2017... please explain that to me.

One reason his playing time hasn't been cut, is because of injury, and a lack of other options. Just because YOU think Santana is a viable option... doesn't make him a regular every day 2B. His hitting is coming back down to Earth.

He is hitting well against RHP (.326), but not as good against LHP (.216).

His monthly splits:
15G, .339 Apr/Mar
20G, .241 May
24G, .308 June

His position splits:
9G @ 1B, when Guzman was hurt
14G @ 2B, when Odor was hurt
25G in OF
4G at SS

If the Rangers felt he was an everyday 2B, he'd be playing there more. What WE don't know... is how comfortable he is at 2B. During one of the rain delays, they covered him learning 1B. His statement was essentially: "The time I play first base in a game, I'm going to be pretty nervous." What I loved about that was his honesty and transparency. He loves being with the Rangers and Woody has done everything right in putting him in situations that he could succeed, and ensuring he is prepared for what is being asked of him. He comes across as someone who is willing to do whatever is asked of him to stay with the club... yet, transparent enough to not want to hurt the team. It could very well be Santana's decision... or that he is fine with Woody's decision to play Odor at 2B. I have no idea and no insight. But, I trust Woody.

Regarding Kinsler:
2017 (35): 139 G, .236, 22 HR, 14 SB <- $11M
2018 (36): 128 G, .240, 14 HR, 16 SB <- $11M
2019 (37): 70 G, .223, 8 HR, 2 SB <- $3.75M

For someone who frets a high salary, I find it disingenuous that you'd have preferred Kinsler for '17 & '18 at $22M vs $4.6M for Odor. In fact, in '13 (age 31) Kinsler made $13M from the Rangers in his final season. So, I reject that we'd have been better off keeping Kinsler. Odor as been very cheap for the same player.

The truth is, Odor is becoming the same player Kinsler was, and I dislike Odor for the same reasons I don't like Kinsler.

I've said this a number of times... Odor will likely retire with some of the most gaudy numbers for a 2B. He is T-41 for most career HRs by a 2B, with 116.
14 more HRs this season, and he'll be at 140, which is 31st, and would tie him with Dustin Predroia. And he is 2 years away from reaching his prime.

If Odor will adapt his game like Gallo has (.276, 20 HR)...and Mazara has (.262, 12 HR), he has a very high ceiling. We are seeing some glimpses, but then he decides to go back to where he was. Like tonight. I think Woody and the Hitting Coach are doing a great job and he will get there. Yes, he needs to focus on RBIs as much as HRs. Fixing what the last group of coaches did, focusing on HRs, without regard for Ks, will take some time to improve.

He has the ability and I trust Woody to do what is necessary to achieve that ability. If that means getting benched for Santana, or battling through, I'm going to trust Woody. Woody doesn't seem to be a guy susceptible to political pressure.

I believe it was Federowicz... Woody was asked about him, when the Rangers acquired him. His comment indicated to me, that he has final roster decision. And unless I see or hear otherwise... I have no reason to believe otherwise.

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I don't think odor is comparable to Kinsler at all.

Kinsler made some boneheaded plays, but Kinsler was pretty smart too. He was a decent leadoff hitter. He took walks. He usually showed up in big games, I still remember his home run at the trop that sealed our first ever playoff series win. I seem to remember Kinsler had a much higher batting average and on base percentage then odor. Odor might have a little more power, but I think Kinsler is / was definitely better.

Probably the best thing for Odor is to try and fix himself away from the spotlight of the major leagues. He shouldn't subject the ranger fan base to 4 strikeout games any longer. He's had plenty of those this year.
I'm not ready to give up on him completely, but this just isn't his year.

Like that ole high school girlfriend, sometimes we romanticize the fantasy, and not the reality. I might have to pay to get stars, so I can dig up some old posts.

Odor had 4 seasons in MLB, before Kinsler even made it to the Bigs. Maybe they rushed Odor. Maybe he is too damaged to recover. As of now... he is the only option. If the Dodgers don't think Calhoun is a 2B, and the Rangers haven't worked him in the infield (until recently)... he isn't going to get there any faster than Santana.

Kinsler was among the lead leaders in walks a few seasons there.

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I don't think odor is comparable to Kinsler at all.

Kinsler made some boneheaded plays, but Kinsler was pretty smart too. He was a decent leadoff hitter. He took walks. He usually showed up in big games, I still remember his home run at the trop that sealed our first ever playoff series win. I seem to remember Kinsler had a much higher batting average and on base percentage then odor. Odor might have a little more power, but I think Kinsler is / was definitely better.

Probably the best thing for Odor is to try and fix himself away from the spotlight of the major leagues. He shouldn't subject the ranger fan base to 4 strikeout games any longer. He's had plenty of those this year.
I'm not ready to give up on him completely, but this just isn't his year.

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For whatever reason, you don't think Odor is very baseball-smart. You don't make some of the plays he makes, by not being baseball-smart. He might flub a play... but I can't ever recall thinking he made the wrong play, or was out of position.

According to Fangraphs, his Def WAR is 6th (2.4) of the 24 2B'ers with qualified AB in 2019. Yes, his bat has been struggling... but defensively, he is pretty good. His Def WAR was 4th (8.5) in 2018, for 2B'ers.

His overall WAR for 2018 was 2.5, which was 10th overall out of 20 2B.

How can you argue he was the worst player in MLB, when he was in the Top half of WAR and Def WAR?

If you consider 2014-2019, his fWAR is 6.9, which is 28th out of the 57 listed.

I think you'd be better off going with the idea that Odor is an average 2B'er, as opposed to the worst player in MLB. And that takes into account that 4 of his 5.5 years were years most other players are still in the minors.

I thought Kinsler was kind of an air head, but a couple of numbers to suggest Odor doesn't have the same level of awareness/"baseball smarts"...

Odor's SB/CS ratio is 5:4. He's not terribly above a 50% success rate stealing bases.

Kinsler's ratio was almost 4:1.


Odor's K/BB ratio is about 9:2. Kinsler's is about 3:2.

And you can get into more and more numbers, too. The fact that his overall numbers can be so bad this far into a season, most of all, has to make you wonder if he has particular, thoughtful approach that he's trying to take out on the field.


There's just not a lot to suggest Odor has a good feel for the game, or that there is a whole lot going on inside his head.

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Why are we holding onto hope for him? This is year 3 of this crap. It's inexcusable that he's in the lineup every day.

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Under the previous regime, a strikeout was an acceptable result if you were mashing for the HR. The logic was... a HR gets your a Run scored. Going the opposite way to beat the shift and getting a single, might leave you stranded on the base, even if the next guy gets a hit.

I don't know if it was Sabremetrics, or just a prevailing belief. It wasn't just the Rangers, it is several clubs. It was throughout the Rangers organization. Last year, on one of the radio talk-shows, they were lamenting what baseball was becoming, as a result.

So, Odor's .204, 30 HRs, was not only acceptable, it was seen as productive. At the end of the game, it is about who scores more Runs... not who has the highest BA.

Consider the following:
Odor
2016: 150 G, 33 HR, .271 BA, 89 Runs, 88 RBI, 135 SO (0.90 K/G)
2017: 162 G, 30 HR, .204 BA, 79 Runs, 75 RBI, 162 SO (1.0 K/G)
2018: 129 G, 18 HR, .253 BA, 76 Runs, 63 RBI, 127 SO (0.98 K/G)
2019: 70 G, 10 HR, .186 BA, 36 Runs, 38 RBI, 90 SO (1.28 K/G)

Last year wasn't a terrible year, nor was 2016. In fact, under the Banny and hitting coach Iapoce, a HR or K outcome was ok. While the number of Games fluctuated, the number of Runs scored

Iapoce is now with the Cubs. It will be interesting to see how they do.

Woody and new HC Luis Ortiz have a more traditional approach.

Others?
Gallo:
2017: 145 G, 41 HR, .209 BA, 85 R, 80 RBI, 196 SO (1.35 K/G)
2018: 148 G, 40 HR, .206 BA, 82 R, 92 RBI, 207 SO (1.40 K/G)
2019: 58 G, 20 HR, .276 BA, 45 R, 46 RBI, 88 SO (1.5 K/G)

Mazara:
2016: 145 G, 20 HR, .266 BA, 59 R, 64 RBI, 112 SO (0.77 K/G)
2017: 148 G, 20 HR, .253 BA, 64 R, 101 RBI, 127 SO (0.85 K/G)
2018: 128 G, 20 HR, .258 BA, 61 R, 77 RBI, 116 SO (0.91 K/G)
2019: 78 G, 12 HR, .262 BA, 48 R, 47 RBI, 70 SO (0.89 K/G)

Choo:
2016: 48 G, 7 HR, .242 BA, 27 R, 17 RBI, 46 SO (0.96 K/G)
2017: 148 G, 22 HR, .261 BA, 96 R, 78 RBI, 134 SO (0.90 K/G)
2018: 146 G, 21 HR, .264 BA, 83 R, 62 RBI, 156 SO (1.07 K/G)
2019: 80 G, 12 HR, .277 BA, 54 R, 34 RBI, 86 SO (1.07 K/G)

What these statistics don't show, is that Gallo and Mazara more frequently go the opposite way to beat the shift, and their BA seems to have benefited. Odor at times seems to buy-in... and then goes out and gets 4 SO. Regardless, the K/G is incredibly high among all 4 players, and Odor, while criticized for a high strikeout rate, ranks 3rd out of the 4... with this year being uniquely higher.

The SO rate increased for all 3 players under 3 years of Iapoce. He did nothing for the development of the player's hitting.

1 K/G would have never been acceptable 5... 10 years ago.

Odor went .271, 33 HRs @22. IMO, that is the floor of what we should expect from him. He should easily be hitting .300, 40 HRs. If he doesn't get to .250, 30 HRs this season, it will be a huge disappointment.

I don't think the previous regime's goal was actually go home run or go home. I think they (1) didn't have many options and (2) didn't coach very well.


Your "floor" and expectation for Odor must be facetious, or a poor attempt at parody.

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Mazara is striking out as much as ever and walking less than ever.

Choo is striking out more than he has since his first 2 or so years in MLB. And walking almost as little as he has his entire career.

And neither's home run rate is any lower than it was under the previous regime.

If they're looking to get away from hit a home run or strikeout, they're yet to accomplish it with at least 2 of your examples.

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Mazara is striking out as much as ever and walking less than ever.

Choo is striking out more than he has since his first 2 or so years in MLB. And walking almost as little as he has his entire career.

And neither's home run rate is any lower than it was under the previous regime.

If they're looking to get away from hit a home run or strikeout, they're yet to accomplish it with at least 2 of your examples.

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You are right. There is no difference in the approach from last year and this year.

Maybe. I think we know that Choo is old and the evidence that Mazara just might be a mediocre baseball player hasn't stopped growing.

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Maybe. I think we know that Choo is old and the evidence that Mazara just might be a mediocre baseball player hasn't stopped growing.

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Mazara is batting .262, where as the AL Average BA is .252... might make him a little better than mediocre.

His .262 Average... if it were a team, would put him 5th in the AL The Angels team average is .259.

His WAR is 0.5. His waaWL/etc. is all sub .500 or in the negatives. His OPS+/etc... is sub 100

Up to this point in his career, he's been mediocre.

Maybe he'll get better, but he's progressed at a glacially slow rate in his 3.5 years.

Mazara is going to be an average baseball player. that is a good but not great hitter, but is below average on the bases and is limited defensively. The only thing on his stats that seems to fluctuate is RBI, otherwise he is going to hit approx .260 with 20 HR's.

If we ever get the opportunity to trade him for a decent return, we probably should pull the trigger. You need average players to fill out a roster, but he isn't one to build around and he'll probably want to get paid soon. Might as well move him if we can at some point.

Odor in the lineup again... I swear the FO must be forcing him into the lineup.

Martin Perez will be pitching tomorrow night for Minn.

DallasAg 94 said:

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Odor in the lineup again... I swear the FO must be forcing him into the lineup.

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Are you trying to make fun of me?

Odor stinks

wbt5845 said:

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Odor stinks

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5K's in a row. Might as well start keeping track.

Bases loaded with 0 outs and we get 1 run. Glad we have Odor and Mathis in the lineup almost everyday

If you combined Jeff Mathis and Roogie Odor you'd have this inverse Transformer-esque fusion of super-awful, the likes of which our world has never seen.

Grapesoda2525 said:

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wbt5845 said:

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Odor stinks

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5K's in a row. Might as well start keeping track.

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MLB record for consecutive Ks is 12 by Sandy Koufax in 1955. Of course, he was a pitcher.

In 1996, Eric Davis set the record for position players with 9 in a row. Odor has a shot.

With Guzman off tonight, one could assume that one of the other lefties (Gallo, Mazara, or Odor) will get the night off tomorrow against Perez.

I can't imagine what the reasoning would be if he sees the field tomorrow.

Doorbell said:

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With Guzman off tonight, one could assume that one of the other lefties (Gallo, Mazara, or Odor) will get the night off tomorrow against Perez.

I can't imagine what the reasoning would be if he sees the field tomorrow.

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I want to see him face off with former ranger Perez out of morbid curiosity.

Odor isn't setting any K record today!

Sure could get used to that!

Fuzzy Dunlop said:

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Odor isn't setting any K record today!

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1 for 8 in the series tho.