*****Offical Texas Rangers 2019 Season Thread*****

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I posted the above on June 12th.

I think NYY has distanced itself for the ALEast.

ALEast: NYY. Tampa is 6.5GB. Boston is 9GB
ALCentral: Minn. Cle is 8 GB
ALWest: Houston. Texas is 4.5 GB

WC:
Tampa +1
Texas -
Cleveland 0.5 GB
Boston 1.5 GB
Oakland 2.5 GB
LAAA: 3.5 GB

Chicago: 6.5 GB

Seattle: 10
Toronto: 16
Detroit: 16.5
KC: 17
Balt 22.5
Started back on June 12th, updated last Friday... time for some more trending. Once the ASB is over, we should start to see some selling.

Division Leaders:
ALEast: NYY. Tampa is 7.5GB. Boston is 11 GB <- NYY distancing
ALCentral: Minn. Cle is 6 GB. <- Cle tightening.
ALWest: Houston. Oak is 7.5 GB, Texas is 8.0 GB <- Houston distancing

WC:
Tampa: +1
Cleveland: -
Oakland: 1 GB <- Lost their Ace to PEDs and have actually closed the gap
Texas: 1.5 GB
Boston: 2.5 GB

LAAA: 5 GB <- We missed the opportunity to eliminate them
CWS: 6 GB

-------------------The bottom continues to fall further behind-------------------
Sea: 12.5 GB
Toronto: 16 GB
Detroit: 18 GB
KC: 20 GB
Balt: 24 GB


The NL is tight as can be. The WC has tightened up, and now teams like Wash are back in the mix.
Only SF (6 GB WC), NYMets (6.5 GB WC) and Miami (12.5 GB WC) are out of contention.
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The NL Central is wild. All teams within 3.5 games of the division lead and all teams in the wildcard hunt. The Dodgers are smoking the NL West while three of the other four teams beat up on each other.

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Not to distract from the Odor sucks conversation (he doesn't btw). We seem to have a plethora of pitching prospects hitting a wall once they get to Frisco. I was really excited about Jonathan Hernandez this year and thought he might even be able to break through to the big club because of the crap staff they had assembled in the offseason. In addition to Hernandez, we have Edgar Arredondo, Tyler Phillips, Jason Bahr, and Brock Burke. All are between the ages of 21 to 24 and have seen a solid workload in the minors. All seem to have hit the wall. Joe Palumbo has pitched ok, but he can't seem to get out of the 5th inning. Richelson Pena did good last year, but he's fallen off a cliff. My question that I pose to the group: Do we have an instructional problem at the upper levels of our farm?
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hawk1689 said:

Not to distract from the Odor sucks conversation (he doesn't btw). We seem to have a plethora of pitching prospects hitting a wall once they get to Frisco. I was really excited about Jonathan Hernandez this year and thought he might even be able to break through to the big club because of the crap staff they had assembled in the offseason. In addition to Hernandez, we have Edgar Arredondo, Tyler Phillips, Jason Bahr, and Brock Burke. All are between the ages of 21 to 24 and have seen a solid workload in the minors. All seem to have hit the wall. Joe Palumbo has pitched ok, but he can't seem to get out of the 5th inning. Richelson Pena did good last year, but he's fallen off a cliff. My question that I pose to the group: Do we have an instructional problem at the upper levels of our farm?
After that last post of mine, I had actually pulled up the Rangers' minor league pitching and was going to create a post on some of the key prospects. I wasn't ready to do it, but will likely do it in the next day or two. I usually do it right before the trade deadline, as we consider whom we might trade. I also include Rule V status, because that weighs heavily, IMO.

I never consider the instruction, or coaching, mostly just progress and numbers. It is something I post once or twice a month. What has made it discouraging is the number of TJ surgeries.

Hernandez is only 22 (5.68 ERA). I expected his numbers to be better this season, not sure what is going on with him. He will be 23 in the next week or two, and is on the 40.

Arrendondo (22 - 4.82 ERA) - I think he is probably where he should be. I'd expect him to be in Frisco next year, with a sub 4.00 ERA, and might get a peak in Arlington late in the year. Likely a 2021 guy. I don't think he is a Rule V guy... and just turned 22, so he is about a year younger than Hernandez. I've always thought Hernandez was more highly touted than Hernandez, but the numbers this year may suggest that has changed.

Tyler Phillips (21-4.32) - I don't know much about him, although he got my attention based on his early start at A+ ball.

Bahr (24-5.40 in AA) - Like Phillips, his A+ stats (1.71 ERA) got my attention. He was the guy we got, when we took on Austin Jackson's salary from SFG. I didn't know much about him then, but apparently that was whom JD wanted. It has been right at a year since getting him. His poor AA numbers are likely a reflection of his limited time in the organization. He was a college guy drafted in 2017.

Burke (22-4.58 ERA in AA) - Burke was a guy we got for Profar, in Dec 2018. There was much specualation about his progress. IIRC, unless I'm confusing him with someone else, there was some fantasy that he might compete for a rotation spot. Burke came from Tampa, and the guy I'm thinking of, I thought came from the Yankees (Note: Ronald Herrera was whom I was thinking. Another disaster). Regardless, Burke is on the 40. He is almost 23.

Palumbo (24-3.86 in AA) - He was one of the TJ guys. They are probably going to let him progress. So, if he isn't going 5.0 IP, it wouldn't surprise me. He likely has a way to go, to build up inning strength. He is on the 40.

Pena (25) - Disastrous numbers. I had high hopes for him, this season. I was actually expecting him to be in Arlington, at some point. Not sure the deal... but yikes. I see that he pitched in the Dominican Winter League. Makes me wonder if he needs to be shutdown and reset.

Some positives:
John King (24- A+, A) 2.42 ERA
Yerry Rodriguez (21-A) 2.08 ERA
Pedro Payano (24-AA, AAA): 3.91 ERA. Rule V guy will likely be a trade piece.

JD will likely be comparing the off-season 40, the Rule V guys, and how to maximize the assets.

Cabrera, Chris Martin and Forsythe are our only FAs. He'll likely try to trade any guy he thinks might be taken, beyond what we can protect.
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wbt5845 said:

The problem is Odor could be a solid MLB second baseman if he'd go back to being a slap ball hitter using his speed to get on and steal bases. That's what he was when he first came up.

Now he's swinging the bat as hard as he can every at bat, every pitch, regardless of the count, and striking out at a rate that'd make the old Joey Gallo blush. When he hits two home runs like last night, it'll be a month before he considers doing anything besides swinging for the fences.


The book is out on him and he has been exposed. Nothing he can do to change that punk ass JD paid him way too much. He will never be average
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Gil Renard said:

wbt5845 said:

The problem is Odor could be a solid MLB second baseman if he'd go back to being a slap ball hitter using his speed to get on and steal bases. That's what he was when he first came up.

Now he's swinging the bat as hard as he can every at bat, every pitch, regardless of the count, and striking out at a rate that'd make the old Joey Gallo blush. When he hits two home runs like last night, it'll be a month before he considers doing anything besides swinging for the fences.


The book is out on him and he has been exposed. Nothing he can do to change that punk ass JD paid him way too much. He will never be average
I think what he accomplished yesterday isn't really a big deal.

I'm waiting to see how he does against Twinkies and Astros pitching to evaluate any possible turn around.
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rain delay tonight in Minnesota...

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Perez's arm would fit well in the back end of this rotation
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Huell Babineaux said:

Perez's arm would fit well in the back end of this rotation
I really wish they would have re-signed him so they could have benefitted from his production bump without Brocail's general suckiness.
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Ranger #007 said:

Huell Babineaux said:

Perez's arm would fit well in the back end of this rotation
I really wish they would have re-signed him so they could have benefitted from his production bump without Brocail's general suckiness.
Orioles are on pace to give up record offensive totals, even with a rookie whose pretty darn good. Brocail really is awful.
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This is not a good inning
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Well damn,

Is it the all star break yet?

Team has been flat the last week or so.
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Sampson getting pounded tonight, down 7-0 in the 4th.

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I guess just flush this one. Hope we win a game and get out of there.

Hopefully the break helps the team refocus. They have played a ton of games with few offdays in between lately.
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Grapesoda2525 said:

Well damn,

Is it the all star break yet?

Team has been flat the last week or so.
In the last week or so (11 Games, counting tonight), Odor is:
.353 BA, 31 AB, 3 HR, 1 3B, 4 2B, 7 R, 9 RBI.

Not counting tonight he has:.333 OBP, .774 SLG, 1.108 OPS

But you likely can't see that.
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Ranger #007 said:

Huell Babineaux said:

Perez's arm would fit well in the back end of this rotation
I really wish they would have re-signed him so they could have benefitted from his production bump without Brocail's general suckiness.
I believe we had a team option for 2019, that the Rangers did not pickup.
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wbt5845 said:

Now he's swinging the bat as hard as he can every at bat, every pitch, regardless of the count, and striking out at a rate that'd make the old Joey Gallo blush.
You probably missed this post that I put up here...

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Odor
2016: 150 G, 33 HR, .271 BA, 89 Runs, 88 RBI, 135 SO (0.90 K/G)
2017: 162 G, 30 HR, .204 BA, 79 Runs, 75 RBI, 162 SO (1.0 K/G)
2018: 129 G, 18 HR, .253 BA, 76 Runs, 63 RBI, 127 SO (0.98 K/G)
2019: 70 G, 10 HR, .186 BA, 36 Runs, 38 RBI, 90 SO (1.28 K/G)

Gallo:
2017: 145 G, 41 HR, .209 BA, 85 R, 80 RBI, 196 SO (1.35 K/G)
2018: 148 G, 40 HR, .206 BA, 82 R, 92 RBI, 207 SO (1.40 K/G)
2019: 58 G, 20 HR, .276 BA, 45 R, 46 RBI, 88 SO (1.5 K/G)
What I see... is Odor's strikeout rate is dramatically up, this year... but even the inflated rate remains below anything Gallo has put up. In fact, Gallo's are up, as well, but apparently that's ok.
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DallasAg 94 said:

wbt5845 said:

Now he's swinging the bat as hard as he can every at bat, every pitch, regardless of the count, and striking out at a rate that'd make the old Joey Gallo blush.
You probably missed this post that I put up here...

Quote:

Odor
2016: 150 G, 33 HR, .271 BA, 89 Runs, 88 RBI, 135 SO (0.90 K/G)
2017: 162 G, 30 HR, .204 BA, 79 Runs, 75 RBI, 162 SO (1.0 K/G)
2018: 129 G, 18 HR, .253 BA, 76 Runs, 63 RBI, 127 SO (0.98 K/G)
2019: 70 G, 10 HR, .186 BA, 36 Runs, 38 RBI, 90 SO (1.28 K/G)

Gallo:
2017: 145 G, 41 HR, .209 BA, 85 R, 80 RBI, 196 SO (1.35 K/G)
2018: 148 G, 40 HR, .206 BA, 82 R, 92 RBI, 207 SO (1.40 K/G)
2019: 58 G, 20 HR, .276 BA, 45 R, 46 RBI, 88 SO (1.5 K/G)
What I see... is Odor's strikeout rate is dramatically up, this year... but even the inflated rate remains below anything Gallo has put up. In fact, Gallo's are up, as well, but apparently that's ok.

It's easier to overlook Gallo's strikeouts because of his batting average and his walks. A lot of gallo's strikeouts are also a result of his more patient approach. The umpires aren't really attuned to the "new gallo" yet so he gets rung up on all of the close calls.
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So why is Gallo getting a Friday night off?
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Huell Babineaux said:

So why is Gallo getting a Friday night off?
If Minnesota is turf, I could see that being the reason.
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Odor hasn't struck out as much as Gallo, but K/G is a weird metric to choose to run with.
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TheAngelFlight said:

Odor hasn't struck out as much as Gallo, but K/G is a weird metric to choose to run with.
I was looking for a rate that took into consideration the playing time. I'm open to whatever is standard. For pitching it is usually K/9IP.

2019:
Gallo: K% - 90 SO, 251 PA: 35.8%
Odor: K% - 91 SO, 283 PA: 32.2%
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DallasAg 94 said:

wbt5845 said:

Now he's swinging the bat as hard as he can every at bat, every pitch, regardless of the count, and striking out at a rate that'd make the old Joey Gallo blush.
You probably missed this post that I put up here...

Quote:

Odor
2016: 150 G, 33 HR, .271 BA, 89 Runs, 88 RBI, 135 SO (0.90 K/G)
2017: 162 G, 30 HR, .204 BA, 79 Runs, 75 RBI, 162 SO (1.0 K/G)
2018: 129 G, 18 HR, .253 BA, 76 Runs, 63 RBI, 127 SO (0.98 K/G)
2019: 70 G, 10 HR, .186 BA, 36 Runs, 38 RBI, 90 SO (1.28 K/G)

Gallo:
2017: 145 G, 41 HR, .209 BA, 85 R, 80 RBI, 196 SO (1.35 K/G)
2018: 148 G, 40 HR, .206 BA, 82 R, 92 RBI, 207 SO (1.40 K/G)
2019: 58 G, 20 HR, .276 BA, 45 R, 46 RBI, 88 SO (1.5 K/G)
What I see... is Odor's strikeout rate is dramatically up, this year... but even the inflated rate remains below anything Gallo has put up. In fact, Gallo's are up, as well, but apparently that's ok.



Goodness man. Give it up. You really can't see why Gallo having a higher strikeout rate than Odor is ok?
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gigem1223 said:

DallasAg 94 said:

wbt5845 said:

Now he's swinging the bat as hard as he can every at bat, every pitch, regardless of the count, and striking out at a rate that'd make the old Joey Gallo blush.
You probably missed this post that I put up here...

Quote:

Odor
2016: 150 G, 33 HR, .271 BA, 89 Runs, 88 RBI, 135 SO (0.90 K/G)
2017: 162 G, 30 HR, .204 BA, 79 Runs, 75 RBI, 162 SO (1.0 K/G)
2018: 129 G, 18 HR, .253 BA, 76 Runs, 63 RBI, 127 SO (0.98 K/G)
2019: 70 G, 10 HR, .186 BA, 36 Runs, 38 RBI, 90 SO (1.28 K/G)

Gallo:
2017: 145 G, 41 HR, .209 BA, 85 R, 80 RBI, 196 SO (1.35 K/G)
2018: 148 G, 40 HR, .206 BA, 82 R, 92 RBI, 207 SO (1.40 K/G)
2019: 58 G, 20 HR, .276 BA, 45 R, 46 RBI, 88 SO (1.5 K/G)
What I see... is Odor's strikeout rate is dramatically up, this year... but even the inflated rate remains below anything Gallo has put up. In fact, Gallo's are up, as well, but apparently that's ok.
Goodness man. Give it up. You really can't see why Gallo having a higher strikeout rate than Odor is ok?
The beautiful thing about baseball is, they measure most things. If someone says, "Hey this guy has a higher K rate than the other guy." You can actually look it up and verify.

When did it become bad in baseball, to rely on stats to measure?!

It is almost always the loser of an argument that tries to diminish the information. And why wouldn't you? I didn't bring up the Krate. I didn't compare anyone to Gallo. All I did was insert facts to validate or discredit the statement.

The statement wasn't a validation for accepting a K rate of one player or another. It was that one players K rate was substantially higher than another's... enough "to make him blush," if I recall the statement.
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DallasAg 94 said:

gigem1223 said:

DallasAg 94 said:

wbt5845 said:

Now he's swinging the bat as hard as he can every at bat, every pitch, regardless of the count, and striking out at a rate that'd make the old Joey Gallo blush.
You probably missed this post that I put up here...

Quote:

Odor
2016: 150 G, 33 HR, .271 BA, 89 Runs, 88 RBI, 135 SO (0.90 K/G)
2017: 162 G, 30 HR, .204 BA, 79 Runs, 75 RBI, 162 SO (1.0 K/G)
2018: 129 G, 18 HR, .253 BA, 76 Runs, 63 RBI, 127 SO (0.98 K/G)
2019: 70 G, 10 HR, .186 BA, 36 Runs, 38 RBI, 90 SO (1.28 K/G)

Gallo:
2017: 145 G, 41 HR, .209 BA, 85 R, 80 RBI, 196 SO (1.35 K/G)
2018: 148 G, 40 HR, .206 BA, 82 R, 92 RBI, 207 SO (1.40 K/G)
2019: 58 G, 20 HR, .276 BA, 45 R, 46 RBI, 88 SO (1.5 K/G)
What I see... is Odor's strikeout rate is dramatically up, this year... but even the inflated rate remains below anything Gallo has put up. In fact, Gallo's are up, as well, but apparently that's ok.
Goodness man. Give it up. You really can't see why Gallo having a higher strikeout rate than Odor is ok?
The beautiful thing about baseball is, they measure most things. If someone says, "Hey this guy has a higher K rate than the other guy." You can actually look it up and verify.

When did it become bad in baseball, to rely on stats to measure?!

It is almost always the loser of an argument that tries to diminish the information. And why wouldn't you? I didn't bring up the Krate. I didn't compare anyone to Gallo. All I did was insert facts to validate or discredit the statement.

The statement wasn't a validation for accepting a K rate of one player or another. It was that one players K rate was substantially higher than another's... enough "to make him blush," if I recall the statement.
Did Odor marry your daughter or something?

Never seen someone so staunchly defend a below mediocre player before.
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Grapesoda2525 said:

DallasAg 94 said:


The beautiful thing about baseball is, they measure most things. If someone says, "Hey this guy has a higher K rate than the other guy." You can actually look it up and verify.

When did it become bad in baseball, to rely on stats to measure?!

It is almost always the loser of an argument that tries to diminish the information. And why wouldn't you? I didn't bring up the Krate. I didn't compare anyone to Gallo. All I did was insert facts to validate or discredit the statement.

The statement wasn't a validation for accepting a K rate of one player or another. It was that one players K rate was substantially higher than another's... enough "to make him blush," if I recall the statement.
Did Odor marry your daughter or something?

Never seen someone so staunchly defend a below mediocre player before.
Meh... I don't have daughters.

I'm not defending anyone, I'm injecting truth and validation to irrational and over emotional statements.

2HR, 5 RBI is never a meh performance. .353 BA with 3 HR over 11 games is not flat. I have never seen so many people be so disappointed at performances like that.
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DallasAg 94 said:

Grapesoda2525 said:

DallasAg 94 said:


The beautiful thing about baseball is, they measure most things. If someone says, "Hey this guy has a higher K rate than the other guy." You can actually look it up and verify.

When did it become bad in baseball, to rely on stats to measure?!

It is almost always the loser of an argument that tries to diminish the information. And why wouldn't you? I didn't bring up the Krate. I didn't compare anyone to Gallo. All I did was insert facts to validate or discredit the statement.

The statement wasn't a validation for accepting a K rate of one player or another. It was that one players K rate was substantially higher than another's... enough "to make him blush," if I recall the statement.
Did Odor marry your daughter or something?

Never seen someone so staunchly defend a below mediocre player before.
Meh... I don't have daughters.

I'm not defending anyone, I'm injecting truth and validation to irrational and over emotional statements.

2HR, 5 RBI is never a meh performance. .353 BA with 3 HR over 11 games is not flat. I have never seen so many people be so disappointed at performances like that.
The disappointment stems from how the organization has handled / treated him. They are so stubborn and arrogant. They're trying so desperately to be "right" on Odor and his contract. I've never in my life seen a player be literally handed chance, after chance, after chance, after chance, after chance, after chance, after chance, after chance to succeed. Over the last 3 years, his results hasn't matched up to the playing time we've "given" him. Emphasis on give. His 0-4 golden sombrero game is much more common then his good games.

I can't be the only one who has noticed this cycle. Whenever it looks like the rangers will cut his playing time or demote him he "turns it on" and starts playing well. Rangers back off because they for some reason seem to want more than anything else in the world for this guy to succeed, Odor relaxes and plays terribly for awhile, then rangers notice his poor play, odor senses he could lose his spot or his at bats, odor turns it on again. It all adds up to a nasty mix of a player putting together a very low batting average, not many walks, and boneheaded plays in the field and on the bases. Literally doing just enough to get by and satisfy what are seemingly very low standards for him to keep his spot and his playing time.

The fact of the matter is that you always have to cherry pick stats over a certain amount of time to defend him. You can't justify using full year stats as his overall body of work has been sub par since early 2017.

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Maybe we could have an each poster gets one Odor post per game rule?
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Go ahead... let it out... let it ALL out. This can be therapeutic for you.

You think Odor is sub-mediocre, but can just flip a switch and hit .350, while the rest of the team "is flat?" It would have to be an incredibly good player that could do such a thing. Would it not have to be an incredibly intelligent player, to have enough self-awareness that he needs to flip such a switch?

Your anger for Odor is unhealthy and his success drives you mad because it illustrates how ill-informed you are. You had high hopes that Santana would take over at 2B and the Rangers would dump Odor. And with every good game Odor has, you panic more and the anger grows, as you realize Odor's success further solidifies his role as a core piece on the team.

As for me... I don't have to defend Odor... just bring clarity to your statementz... and I can root for the players... Odor... Santana... whether he is in LF, 3B, or 1B... I will root on Delino, and Sampson... and each player wearing a Rangers Jersey, because I want the team to win.

If the Rangers dump Odor... I'll root for whomever they put at 2B. It isn't a love for the name on the back, but a love for the name on the front.
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cmiller00 said:

Maybe we could have an each poster gets one Odor post per game rule?


PLEASE make this happen.

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DallasAg 94 said:

Go ahead... let it out... let it ALL out. This can be therapeutic for you.

You think Odor is sub-mediocre, but can just flip a switch and hit .350, while the rest of the team "is flat?" It would have to be an incredibly good player that could do such a thing. Would it not have to be an incredibly intelligent player, to have enough self-awareness that he needs to flip such a switch?

Your anger for Odor is unhealthy and his success drives you mad because it illustrates how ill-informed you are. You had high hopes that Santana would take over at 2B and the Rangers would dump Odor. And with every good game Odor has, you panic more and the anger grows, as you realize Odor's success further solidifies his role as a core piece on the team.

As for me... I don't have to defend Odor... just bring clarity to your statementz... and I can root for the players... Odor... Santana... whether he is in LF, 3B, or 1B... I will root on Delino, and Sampson... and each player wearing a Rangers Jersey, because I want the team to win.

If the Rangers dump Odor... I'll root for whomever they put at 2B. It isn't a love for the name on the back, but a love for the name on the front.


I hope you're trolling.... your takes on Odor are getting borderline delusional. He's a below average player that can run extremely hot or extremely cold. There's no in between with him it seems. Combine that with the way he plays and I believe that's why he's so polarizing. You keep claiming grape is making it personal yet you continue to instigate when it's uncalled for.

Just because you refuse to be critical of the organization and Odor doesn't make you or Grape any more or less of a fan of the Rangers than anyone else. We all want them to win here.
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WAR is a flawed statistic, but it gives a general value of a player's value to the team. Odor was a 2.7 bWAR player just last year. Odor for most of his career has been an above average to borderline star player. He is having a down year. He has traditionally been a 2nd half late bloomer. I hope that trend continues. You guys bashing Odor remind me of the guys who used to claim that Ian Kinsler was a terrible player.
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https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texas-rangers/rangers/2019/07/05/rougned-odor-isnt-practicing-rangers-preaching-teammate-might-telling-wrong-things#_ga=2.101094658.241204644.1562213294-1276148424.1494030793
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Odor has never bordered on stardom. His best years have been closer to the definition of average as anything.

Last year were his best set of macros. 2.7 WAR, .505 WAA, 162WL of .504.

Solid sarter quality, WAR could have been higher if he had more gamesbut was also carried by what's so far a huge defensive outlier of a year.

OPS+ was still only 97 and the overall body of work was not build-a-team-around-it-quality.

And that year is sandwiched by a trash 2017 and a 2019 that's so far been trash, too.

If Odor has a strong July, then come back and talk him up as a potential star.
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