HTownAg98 said:

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Hi, Im Brett said:

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Doug Ross said:

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the sox are just "that effing team" this year

they aren't going to be beat

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Maybe, but Astros looked like that team last series. high variance sport

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Cleveland wasn't that good. They padded wins against a division that made bdf football look formidable.

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Cleveland had absolutely elite starting pitching. Historically good. Very similar to us. They have nice pop in the front of their line up but we're not deep and had no bullpen.

Wasn't good isn't right. Not a complete team is probably a better description.

I hadn't paid that much attention but you're correct. The only team over .500 they had a winning record against in the regular season was Boston (4-3).

how many lefty bullpen arms are we signing? need to replace Sipp and I'd like 1 more... also I wish we would replace Dallas with another lefty.

Need a lefty for the pen and the rotation

Cheers guys, enjoyed y'all's company this year. Look forward to the off season thread where we solve all of our problems (real or perceived). I have already alerted Luhnow that the thread will be active by this weekend so he can start dropping in early next week for some nuggets!

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Let em all go except Marwin & Dallas

https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-mlb-free-agents/c-293292274

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Catchers
Yasmani Grandal (30 years old, 3.6 WAR)
Wilson Ramos (31, 2.4)
Kurt Suzuki (35, 2.0)
Martin Maldonado (32, 0.9)
Nick Hundley (35, 0.9)
Matt Wieters (33, 0.9)
A.J. Ellis (38, 0.8)
Devin Mesoraco (31, 0.7)
Jonathan Lucroy (33, 0.6)
Rene Rivera (35, 0.3)
Drew Butera (35, -0.3)
Jeff Mathis (36, -0.5)

First basemen
Steve Pearce (36 years old, 1.6 WAR)
Joe Mauer (36, 1.0)
Matt Adams (30, 0.8)
Mark Reynolds (35, 0.1)
Lucas Duda (32, 0.0)
Hanley Ramirez (35, -0.2)

Second basemen
Jed Lowrie (35 years old, 4.9 WAR)
Asdrubal Cabrera (33, 2.7)
Ian Kinsler (37, 2.3)
DJ LeMahieu (30, 2.0)
Daniel Descalso (32, 1.6)
Brian Dozier (32, 0.8)
Daniel Murphy (34, 0.8)
Andrew Romine (33, 0.1)
Neil Walker (33, 0.1)
Sean Rodriguez (34, 0.0)
Logan Forsythe (32, -0.2)

Third basemen
Eduardo Escobar (30 years old, 3.5 WAR)
Josh Donaldson (33, 1.3)
Adrian Beltre (40, 1.2)
Pablo Sandoval (32, 0.1)
Chase Headley (35, -0.4)
Danny Valencia (34, -0.4)
Jose Reyes (36, -0.9)
Luis Valbuena (33, -0.9)

Shortstops
Manny Machado (26 years old, 6.2 WAR)
Jose Iglesias (29, 2.5)
Elvis Andrus (30, 1.2) -- Can opt out of the four years and $58 million remaining on his contract.
Freddy Galvis (29, 1.2)
Jordy Mercer (32, 1.0)
Adeiny Hechavarria (30, 0.4)
Alcides Escobar (32, -0.3)
Eric Sogard (33, -0.8)

Left fielders
Michael Brantley (32 years old, 3.5 WAR)
Marwin Gonzalez (30, 1.6)
Curtis Granderson (38, 0.9)
Craig Gentry (35, 0.6)
Cameron Maybin (32, 0.5)
Matt Joyce (34, 0.2)
Gregor Blanco (35, -0.7)
Hunter Pence (36, -0.9)

Center fielders
A.J. Pollock (31 years old, 2.5 WAR)
Leonys Martin (31, 2.4)
Adam Jones (33, 0.5)
Rajai Davis (38, -0.2)
Austin Jackson (32, -1.0)

Right fielders
Bryce Harper (26 years old, 3.5 WAR)
Andrew McCutchen (32, 2.6)
Nick Markakis (35, 2.6)
Jason Heyward (29, 2.0) -- Can opt out of the five years and $106 million remaining on his contract.
Carlos Gonzalez (33, 1.7)
Jose Bautista (38, 1.0)
Jon Jay (33, 0.8)
Lonnie Chisenhall (30, 0.8)
Melky Cabrera (34, 0.4)
Carlos Gomez (33, -0.5)
Chris Young (35, -0.5)

Designated hitters
Nelson Cruz (38 years old, 2.5 WAR)
Evan Gattis (32, 0.0)
Pedro Alvarez (32, -0.2)

Starting pitchers
Patrick Corbin (29 years old, 6.3 WAR)
Dallas Keuchel (31, 3.6)
Clayton Kershaw (31, 3.5) -- Can opt out of the two years and $65 million remaining on his contract.
J.A. Happ (36, 3.2)
Charlie Morton (35, 3.1)
Lance Lynn (32, 2.9)
David Price (33, 2.7) -- Can opt out of the four years and $127 million remaining on his contract.
CC Sabathia (38, 2.5)
Anibal Sanchez (35, 2.4)
Nathan Eovaldi (29, 2.2)
Gio Gonzalez (33, 2.0)
Hyun-Jin Ryu (32, 2.0)
Trevor Cahill (31, 2.0)
Derek Holland (32, 2.0)
Clay Buchholz (34, 1.9)
Wade Miley (32, 1.5)
Matt Harvey (30, 1.4)
Jeremy Hellickson (32, 1.2)
Garrett Richards (32, 1.0)
Tyson Ross (32, 1.0)
Brett Anderson (31, 0.9)
Edwin Jackson (35, 0.7)
Adam Wainwright (37, 0.5) -- Reached agreement on one-year contract with Cardinals. (Oct. 11, 2018)
Marco Estrada (35, 0.5)
Francisco Liriano (35, 0.3)
Bartolo Colon (46, 0.2)
Jaime Garcia (32, 0.0)
Drew Pomeranz (30, -0.3)
Miguel Gonzalez (35, -0.3)
Chris Tillman (31, -0.4)
Hisashi Iwakuma (35, N/A) -- Didn't appear in the Majors in 2018.

Relief pitchers
Adam Ottavino (33 years old, 2.0 WAR)
Jeurys Familia (29, 1.8)
David Robertson (34, 1.5)
Craig Kimbrel (31, 1.5)
Jesse Chavez (35, 1.2)
Oliver Perez (37, 1.1)
Tony Sipp (35, 0.9)
Zach Duke (36, 0.9)
Brad Brach (33, 0.7)
Joe Kelly (31, 0.7)
Sergio Romo (36, 0.5)
Jake Diekman (32, 0.5)
Justin Wilson (31, 0.5)
Tyler Clippard (34, 0.5)
Shawn Kelley (35, 0.5)
Andrew Miller (34, 0.4)
Kelvin Herrera (29,0.4)
Mark Melancon (34, 0.3) -- Can opt out of the two years and $28 million remaining on his contract.
Greg Holland (33, 0.3)
Tony Barnette (35, 0.3)
Aaron Loup (31, 0.3)
Jonny Venters (34, 0.3)
Adam Warren (31, 0.3)
John Axford (36, 0.2)
Bud Norris (34, 0.2)
Ryan Madson (38, 0.2)
Jeanmar Gomez (31, 0.2)
Zach Britton (31, 0.1)
Santiago Casilla (38, 0.1)
Cody Allen (30, 0.0)
Jorge De La Rosa (38, 0.0)
Fernando Salas (34, 0.0)
Zach McAllister (31, 0.0)
Blake Wood (33, 0.0)
Daniel Hudson (32, -0.1)
Jerry Blevins (35, -0.1)
Matt Belisle (39, -0.2)
AJ Ramos (32, -0.2)
Hector Santiago (31, -0.2)
Jim Johnson (36, -0.3)
Randall Delgado (29, -0.3)
Boone Logan (34, -0.3)
Peter Moylan (40, -0.4)
Junichi Tazawa (33, -0.5)
Blaine Boyer (37, -0.9)
Josh Tomlin (34, -1.3)
David Phelps (32, N/A) -- Didn't appear in the Majors in 2018.
Joaquin Benoit (41, N/A) -- Didn't appear in the Majors in 2018.

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I don't think we'll be willing to pay what Dallas will want. I also think Marwin will be overvalued by another team and walk for more than we're willing to pay as well. It sucks to think about losing two guys integral to building this team, but I trust our front office with whatever they end up doing.

Trade TED for Realmuto tonight.

That's only a half joke

There are not very many exciting FAs on that list. Machete may not be a bad choice to re-sign. Cody Allen could be intriguing. I'd like to take a shot at Corbin.

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There are not very many exciting FAs on that list. Machete may not be a bad choice to re-sign. Cody Allen could be intriguing. I'd like to take a shot at Corbin.

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I wonder if we could fix a guy like Allen or Miller.

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Astros' record at home is a disgrace these past two years. It should definitely be a talking point heading to the off season. Why exactly is this team so bad when it comes to playing in front of their home crowd?

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I thought you called it a season, you will need to wait for the off season thread if you have any additional questions.

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I know there is a big level of pride and "I am a better fan than you are dick measuring contest" on this thread. I was very active last year, from beginning to end and have been following the Astros for many years.

I might be wrong, and you will call me out if we win this game. I don't care. This team has not performed well this series, in addition to the bad calls. If we win, I'll eat my crow, but not looking like it.

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Cheo, I will apologize because we are all Astros fans and "same team". It is frustrating to see so many people just give up and call it a season. I don't think I am a bigger or more knowledgeable fan than the next guy, I just know I never leave a game when there are still outs like I watched so many donin person on Tuesday and on TV last night.

Just watching people who claim to be great fans give up is disappointing. Forgive me.

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No need to apologize sir. I understand your message. Its so hard to repeat championships. I am a strong believer that this team, on paper, was better than last year's. They were just not healthy and clicking on all cylinders all at once during this post season. What a change though huh? Astros have raised expectations in the last 3 years, and it is awesome.

Can't believe we folded so easily

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There are not very many exciting FAs on that list. Machete may not be a bad choice to re-sign. Cody Allen could be intriguing. I'd like to take a shot at Corbin.

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That was my thought.

Dallas is gone, Marwin and Gattis are too. We need to only pick one (Machete or McCann)... Sipp is gone. Need to get Kemp ready to play the infield, so we can have him be flexible.

I would like to have a more reliable 1B bat, which may allow Pina to be DH more often.

With McCullers, we can let Sallas go and with James and the other Hispanic lefty we can move Lance to the Bullpen.

Our AAAA players need to **** or get off the pot, White included.

Last but not least, time to fast track Ted and Forest...

We need a true dh and a starter since I think Dallas walks and so does Marwin. Which means we really need a dh and a starting lf. Let's assume ted or kemp play lf then we need a guy that can rake.

Looking at the FA our there we are screwed there. We won't overpay for an aging bat. I say got after Corbin Allen or miller as others have mentioned and try and sign a couple of FAs who can play that utility role

Jake Arrieta got 3 year, 75 million.

Would y'all do that for Dallas?

He's be off the books before you commit to Correa or Bregman.

I would. But you think he is going for a 3 year deal?

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I would. But you think he is going for a 3 year deal?

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No, but I think Jake is a fair comp. I'd say Yu is a fair comp too and he got 6 years at 126 M.

Want nothing close to a darvish deal. That would be absurd

LMJ will play a lot into keeping Dallas or not. Hopefully no surgery there. If so, Dallas becomes more important since LMJ and Morton would be out of the rotation.

Dallas may need to be kept. News doesn't come as a surprise.

Well ***** Offseason already takes a blow.

Do few clutch plays this series. Anti clutch

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Just ran into Tyler White at BW3 in Cypress. He said he lives out here. Told him thanks for a great season. Did not tell him to get the f'in bat off his shoulder and swing at something. I know cool story, bro, but it was really cool.

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Wow the words I would have had for him.... glad it wasn't me running into him.

I would actually go to BW3 to see that

Well **** me sideways. That's ****ty news. Regardless, I really liked what James and Valdez showed us this season. Those guys and Whitley and Martes are going to hopefully result in the filling of the Keuchel and McCullers voids. I think Charlie will be coming back for a short term deal.

I think the ****ty bullpen play this last series was an anomaly and am gonna chock it up to variance. I think Luhnow is gonna be looking for a bullpen lefty or 2, but I don't think he'll be sweating pitching nearly as much as he'll be sweating bats.

Very few of our farm guys have proven to be quality bats in the bigs and I think there's an equity value question that has our FO in somewhat of a quandry when you consider diminishing returns. I'm curious if there's a bat out there similar to Cole in the pitching realm that has a couple years left of control that would warrant selling some prospects. I've been preaching to friends all year that Harper is the guy to break the bank for and worthy of a bidding war, but I highly doubt Luhnow's algos will end up being long on him once the Yankees have blown their load and offered him half a billion dollars or something assinine.

We'll see. The future is still bright, and we all know how much of a crapshoot this **** is in the playoffs. I'm excited to see how this front office handles all of these variables to ensure prolonged success, and I'll be rooting for the Brew Crew for the time being. I'll also be doing some added praying that TED pans out. His lefty swing and scrawny build reminds me of Shawn Green, and Green was one of my favorites growing up.

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As hard as it is to say bye to Gattis and Morton after last years World Series, I agree.