he also goes on about the guy in white who was holding on to the wall and reaching... but that guy never touched the ball nor the glove.bearkatag15 said:
Fangraphs article about the interference call...
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fan-interference-call-was-probably-good/
Basically says that the call was probably correct.
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Ain't gonna happen when the MLB wants BOS/LA in the World Series.EagleAg19 said:If I'm being honest with myself, I can't disagree that it's probably in the field of play. I didn't see it that way before but this seems like a reasonable argument.bearkatag15 said:
Fangraphs article about the interference call...
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fan-interference-call-was-probably-good/
Basically says that the call was probably correct.
However, IT CAN'T BE PROVEN EITHER WAY. Joe West should've called a home run necessitating definitive proof otherwise. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND DAMMIT
I have more of an issue with that rule than I do the call itself.
Wabs said:Joe West had to make a call on the spot. His impulse decision was to call it in Boston's favor. He gave Betts the benefit instead of the reigning MVP that hit the ball. Why is that?bearkatag15 said:
Fangraphs article about the interference call...
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fan-interference-call-was-probably-good/
Basically says that the call was probably correct.
Because he's bad at his job. This isn't a conspiracy, but it's still infuriating.
Joe West knew exactly what he was doing with that call.DVC2010 said:Wabs said:Joe West had to make a call on the spot. His impulse decision was to call it in Boston's favor. He gave Betts the benefit instead of the reigning MVP that hit the ball. Why is that?bearkatag15 said:
Fangraphs article about the interference call...
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fan-interference-call-was-probably-good/
Basically says that the call was probably correct.
Because he's bad at his job. This isn't a conspiracy, but it's still infuriating.
If the Astros lose tonight, their season will be over.
This. His first impulse was to give BOSTON (and Betts) the benefit of the doubt, NOT the defending World Champs and reigning MVP. Why is that? By making that call, he's saying he saw a fan interfere. How can that fat ass see that from where he was? Should have called it a HR and let replay prove otherwise. No the other way around.WelchAg said:Joe West knew exactly what he was doing with that call.DVC2010 said:Wabs said:Joe West had to make a call on the spot. His impulse decision was to call it in Boston's favor. He gave Betts the benefit instead of the reigning MVP that hit the ball. Why is that?bearkatag15 said:
Fangraphs article about the interference call...
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fan-interference-call-was-probably-good/
Basically says that the call was probably correct.
Because he's bad at his job. This isn't a conspiracy, but it's still infuriating.
Maybe this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I get tired of all of the conspiracy talk. I think we've been absolutely hosed by some bad calls in this series, but I don't think it's because there's some kind of conspiracy in the MLB to get the Red Sox to the World Series.
These umpires have just sucked, I don't think they're intentionally trying to help the Red Sox.
If you honestly think there's some sort of conspiracy to get the Red Sox to the World Series, why even watch the games?
These umpires have just sucked, I don't think they're intentionally trying to help the Red Sox.
If you honestly think there's some sort of conspiracy to get the Red Sox to the World Series, why even watch the games?
I don't think its some massive conspiracy, but I 100% believe Joe West was more than willing to give the benefit last night to Boston over Houston. I have a problem with that. I absolutely believe in the reverse scenario, he calls that a HR for Boston.bobinator said:
Maybe this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I get tired of all of the conspiracy talk. I think we've been absolutely hosed by some bad calls in this series, but I don't think it's because there's some kind of conspiracy in the MLB to get the Red Sox to the World Series.
These umpires have just sucked, I don't think they're intentionally trying to help the Red Sox.
If you honestly think there's some sort of conspiracy to get the Red Sox to the World Series, why even watch the games?
First off, Betts arm was not vertical. If he's flat footed and fan reaches over and a fan hits it then it's common sense. When Betts jumps going right at the wall with arm extended towards the yellow no angles show that it was over the wall but it certainly was not "in the field of play." Common sense says that should of been a ground rule double imho.
I gave an issue with MLB replay/review. They say they need conclusive evidence to overturn a bad call. Yet I have seen four calls in 8 weeks where the clear evidence was ignored.bobinator said:
I have more of an issue with that rule than I do the call itself.
1. The phantom tag in Oakland. Ruled out and somehow magically overturned with what appeared to be clear evidence of the correct call being out. You can clearly see the tag applied and no hand on the plate.
2. The Altuve call. Called out and clear video evidence shows he touched the plate with no tag. For gods sake you can see the air gap as Altuve slides through.
3. The magic review of a non reviewable call. Don't give me any "rules check" nonsense. They reviewed what their own rules say was nonreviewable. And afterwards realized the goof and said what they said. Fortunately they lucked out and the batter was out immediately afterwards.
4. Last night.
MLB and their replay review system doesn't work. About the only call it does get right consistently is the out/safe call at 1B
I tend to agree with this. It seems to be more run of the mill incompetence than it is a conspiracy. We have just been on the wrong end of some really dumb calls and bad decisions made by this crew.
Think we should let them know?Capt. Obvious said:
If the Astros lose tonight, their season will be over.
Capt. Obvious said:
If the Astros lose tonight, their season will be over.
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So Matress Mac is buying the fan tickets and Michael Berry is flying him back for the game tonight
Capt. Obvious said:
If the Astros lose tonight, their season will be over.
For all of the posts claiming a "must win" all year, we finally have one that checks that box.
I don't think Joe West is smart enough to even think about who's batting in that situation. I don't think he gave the 'benefit' to anyone. I think he saw a guy trying to jump for a ball, a fan's arm hit that ball, and he made the call he thought was right from where he was.
Things I have a bigger issue with:
- That rule itself is insane. If that's fan interference then the MLB needs to put a moat around the outfield walls of every stadium. There is absolutely no way you can expect the fans, who are looking up at the ball, not to put their arms out. I think as long as the fans arms don't go below the wall, it should be fair game.
- Why is the umpire making that call like 200 feet away? They said on the broadcast last night that the umpires (on a 6-man crew) are further in so they can judge 'fair or foul' on balls over the foul pole. This is crazy. We have the technology to track if a ball is fair or foul. We don't need to rely on an old guy looking up into the sky.
Things I have a bigger issue with:
- That rule itself is insane. If that's fan interference then the MLB needs to put a moat around the outfield walls of every stadium. There is absolutely no way you can expect the fans, who are looking up at the ball, not to put their arms out. I think as long as the fans arms don't go below the wall, it should be fair game.
- Why is the umpire making that call like 200 feet away? They said on the broadcast last night that the umpires (on a 6-man crew) are further in so they can judge 'fair or foul' on balls over the foul pole. This is crazy. We have the technology to track if a ball is fair or foul. We don't need to rely on an old guy looking up into the sky.
I'm along the same lines, but would want JV first setting the tone with the first 4 or 6 batters, then DK for a trip through the lineup and a half and then CFM to close it out.
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Joe West knew exactly what he was doing with that call.
Joe West has always made things about Joe West. He saw his opportunity to disallow a HR off fan interference, which is rare. He took it. He knew he'd be covered by replay.
He would have made the same call whether Boston or Houston hit it.
Problem is, if you're looking at it straight-on, it looks like Mookie is literally in the crowd. It wasn't until we had another angle that anyone thought it might be borderlinebobinator said:
I don't think Joe West is smart enough to even think about who's batting in that situation. I don't think he gave the 'benefit' to anyone. I think he saw a guy trying to jump for a ball, a fan's arm hit that ball, and he made the call he thought was right from where he was.
Things I have a bigger issue with:
- That rule itself is insane. If that's fan interference then the MLB needs to put a moat around the outfield walls of every stadium. There is absolutely no way you can expect the fans, who are looking up at the ball, not to put their arms out. I think as long as the fans arms don't go below the wall, it should be fair game.
- Why is the umpire making that call like 200 feet away? They said on the broadcast last night that the umpires (on a 6-man crew) are further in so they can judge 'fair or foul' on balls over the foul pole. This is crazy. We have the technology to track if a ball is fair or foul. We don't need to rely on an old guy looking up into the sky.
Some disagreements on here, but here's where we can all agree....
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- That rule itself is insane. If that's fan interference then the MLB needs to put a moat around the outfield walls of every stadium. There is absolutely no way you can expect the fans, who are looking up at the ball, not to put their arms out. I think as long as the fans arms don't go below the wall, it should be fair game.
Wrigley had to install baskets in the 70s due to fans pouring out onto the field. it does feel a little cheap to get a HR that way though (but i'll take it since one lead to the 2016 title)
Exactly, you don't want to crush him, just a few runs where they could still win the game. This will force Cora to the pen. Unless he concedes the game and just wants to get back to Boston, but I don't think any manager would do that.
I like where your head is at. Holding JV may give us the best shot at winning 3 games, but it lowers our chance to win the next one. At this point, you go all out everything to win the next game even if it means putting yourself in a worse situation the next.EagleAg19 said:
What if we don't start Verlander tonight? Eovaldi, Procello, Brasier, Kimbrel are all out. Price is on short rest and likely not back to 100% after being hospitalized. You have to feel like Boston might throw it tonight. Could we use Verlander for 6 or 7 instead?
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Unless he concedes the game and just wants to get back to Boston, but I don't think any manager would do that.
Yeah, but If he gives up 7ER in 3 innings, maybe Cora leaves him in for 1-2 more anyway and brings in the worst pitcher to mop up and save the higher leverage guys.
Okay. I guess we'll just have to do this the hard way. Beat boston & mlb.
ESPN's Article on the "Interference"
Transcript from Joe West:
Transcript from Joe West:
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What did you see that prompted the initial call of fan interference?
Well, when he jumped up to reach for the ball, the spectator reached out of the stands and hit him over the playing field and closed his glove.
So the ball had not yet crossed the railing?
No.
And Betts' glove had not yet crossed the railing, do you believe?
No.
Okay. Did the fan --
Here's the whole play, here's the whole play. He hit the ball to right field. He jumped up to try to make a catch. The fan interfered with him over the playing field. That's why I called spectator interference.
So it's a clear call in your mind?
Yes.
Were there already -- was there a single call that you saw, that the replay officials saw on replay that confirmed --
I don't know what he saw. He just -- the replay official said I was right.
Okay.
That's all. He said I have nothing that can change it.
To be honest I think it's the dude on the far right that makes it look more like interference.
Dumb **** Joe West on the last two statements says he was told he was right but then that there just wasn't enough to change the call. What a moron.
**** Joe West. The replay guy never said "you were right", I can guarantee you that... The two bolded parts are not the same thing you fat ****. he said the angle isn't conclusive, so call stands. Joe West couldn't see that **** from his vantage point. The fact he doesn't even think it's possible it wasn't interference shows he is unfit to umpire a baseball game.Quote:
I don't know what he saw. "He just -- the replay official said I was right."
Okay.
That's all. He said "I have nothing that can change it."
This proves it's him making it about him. It's more about him "being right" than it is getting the call right. Same goes for him interrupting the guy mid sentence. He's a waste of oxygen and that level of defensiveness means he knows he missed the call.
Joe West is a fat piece of **** and a waste of oxygen.
JV gets the win tonight. Bregs does not go 0-5 2 games in a row. Correa coming off a slump busting 3-4 2 RBI performance. It has taken a few games but now Hinch should know who he can trust in the bullpen and when. Win tonight - first things first. Then Boston faces the best road team in baseball this year at their place. Let's do this!
I just can't believe we're at a place where we're expecting fans to make judgement calls on fly balls that are headed right for them. It's insane.
My super hot sports take on this that I've had for a long time is they should go even further and just absolutely simplify the rule. If the fans can get that ball into the stands without using anything other than their hands and a glove, it's a home run. They can reach over, swat the outfielders glove, whatever. If you go up where the fans can reach you, you're at your own risk. If the ball hits the fans and falls in play (without ever crossing over the wall according to statcast data), then it's in play.
If the fans are part of the game, then they're part of the game. If that ball makes it over the wall, it's a home run. If it doesn't, it isn't. That simple.
My super hot sports take on this that I've had for a long time is they should go even further and just absolutely simplify the rule. If the fans can get that ball into the stands without using anything other than their hands and a glove, it's a home run. They can reach over, swat the outfielders glove, whatever. If you go up where the fans can reach you, you're at your own risk. If the ball hits the fans and falls in play (without ever crossing over the wall according to statcast data), then it's in play.
If the fans are part of the game, then they're part of the game. If that ball makes it over the wall, it's a home run. If it doesn't, it isn't. That simple.
Or just have no replay at all, BUT hold umpires accountable for making ****ty call after ****ty call. Looking at you Joe West and Angel Hernandez....bobinator said:
I just can't believe we're at a place where we're expecting fans to make judgement calls on fly balls that are headed right for them. It's insane.
My super hot sports take on this that I've had for a long time is they should go even further and just absolutely simplify the rule. If the fans can get that ball into the stands without using anything other than their hands and a glove, it's a home run. They can reach over, swat the outfielders glove, whatever. If you go up where the fans can reach you, you're at your own risk. If the ball hits the fans and falls in play (without ever crossing over the wall according to statcast data), then it's in play.
If the fans are part of the game, then they're part of the game. If that ball makes it over the wall, it's a home run. If it doesn't, it isn't. That simple.
I agree with this completely. It's complete bull**** that a ball that is over the line can not be caught by a fan. Just wait for some shmuck to get hit in the face by a HR and then mlb has to deal with that.
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