Need 6 strong innings from Verlander tonight. If he can go 7-8 and get the win, I'm not feelin hopeless going to Boston.
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I don't want to hear "we just want to get the right call, that's why we have replay". This is obviously not the case.
Buck Compton said:
He is a d-bag, but yes, it was a hell of a catch. It's one of the reasons I don't even think we win tonight. You need at least one thing to go your way, and NOTHING is going our way. I'll try to follow from the plane, but not expecting much.
C'mon now. You know how quickly things can turn around in baseball.
Get a strong outing from JV tonight, go to Boston and squeak out a win vs a sickly sale, and head into an anything happens game 7.
A game 7 with Keuchel on the mound at Fenway. But hopefully by then our bullpen gets back in check and maybe have Morton available for a few innings or Verlander depending on how much he throws tonight. Game 7 will likely be an "all hands on deck" approach. Here's to hoping we get there.Nuke LaLoosh said:Buck Compton said:
He is a d-bag, but yes, it was a hell of a catch. It's one of the reasons I don't even think we win tonight. You need at least one thing to go your way, and NOTHING is going our way. I'll try to follow from the plane, but not expecting much.
C'mon now. You know how quickly things can turn around in baseball.
Get a strong outing from JV tonight, go to Boston and squeak out a win vs a sickly sale, and head into an anything happens game 7.
Hinch indicated that Altuve would start at 2nd today before yesterday's game. Seeing Altuve gimp around the bases last night make be believe he will DH again most likely. That probably puts Kemp back out there, but will Hinch start Kemp vs a lefty?
As much as things have gone wrong in this series, all we need is to win with Justin Verlander and Gerritt Cole on the mound and we're back to a winner-take-all game.
The more I think about it this morning the more optimistic I am. Like it seems like the world has fallen apart around us, but we have two of the best in the game taking the ball for us in these next two games.
The more I think about it this morning the more optimistic I am. Like it seems like the world has fallen apart around us, but we have two of the best in the game taking the ball for us in these next two games.
I would not start DK in a game 7. He has shown time and time again that he can't get through he 1st inning without allowing runs. I'd just go bullpen by committee and take our chances. Hopefully we'll get the chance.rak1693 said:A game 7 with Keuchel on the mound at Fenway. But hopefully by then our bullpen gets back in check and maybe have Morton available for a few innings or Verlander depending on how much he throws tonight. Game 7 will likely be an "all hands on deck" approach. Here's to hoping we get there.Nuke LaLoosh said:Buck Compton said:
He is a d-bag, but yes, it was a hell of a catch. It's one of the reasons I don't even think we win tonight. You need at least one thing to go your way, and NOTHING is going our way. I'll try to follow from the plane, but not expecting much.
C'mon now. You know how quickly things can turn around in baseball.
Get a strong outing from JV tonight, go to Boston and squeak out a win vs a sickly sale, and head into an anything happens game 7.
Start Morton for 3 innings or 1 time through the lineup, then bring in Keuchel for 3 innings. Then bring in JV for a few key batters.Wabs said:I would not start DK in a game 7. He has shown time and time again that he can't get through he 1st inning without allowing runs. I'd just go bullpen by committee and take our chances. Hopefully we'll get the chance.rak1693 said:A game 7 with Keuchel on the mound at Fenway. But hopefully by then our bullpen gets back in check and maybe have Morton available for a few innings or Verlander depending on how much he throws tonight. Game 7 will likely be an "all hands on deck" approach. Here's to hoping we get there.Nuke LaLoosh said:Buck Compton said:
He is a d-bag, but yes, it was a hell of a catch. It's one of the reasons I don't even think we win tonight. You need at least one thing to go your way, and NOTHING is going our way. I'll try to follow from the plane, but not expecting much.
C'mon now. You know how quickly things can turn around in baseball.
Get a strong outing from JV tonight, go to Boston and squeak out a win vs a sickly sale, and head into an anything happens game 7.
I think we could all drive ourselves crazy trying to figure out what we'd do in game 7, but it's obviously going to depend on how we get through games 5 and 6 first.
We can't plan for the next game, we have to throw everything we've got tonight. Like if Verlander struggles early I have no doubt we're going to see Cole come out of the pen.
We can't plan for the next game, we have to throw everything we've got tonight. Like if Verlander struggles early I have no doubt we're going to see Cole come out of the pen.
Yep, I was thinking something like this. Just can't put DK out there to start, but use him in the middle if necessary.bearkatag15 said:Start Morton for 3 innings or 1 time through the lineup, then bring in Keuchel for 3 innings. Then bring in JV for a few key batters.Wabs said:I would not start DK in a game 7. He has shown time and time again that he can't get through he 1st inning without allowing runs. I'd just go bullpen by committee and take our chances. Hopefully we'll get the chance.rak1693 said:A game 7 with Keuchel on the mound at Fenway. But hopefully by then our bullpen gets back in check and maybe have Morton available for a few innings or Verlander depending on how much he throws tonight. Game 7 will likely be an "all hands on deck" approach. Here's to hoping we get there.Nuke LaLoosh said:Buck Compton said:
He is a d-bag, but yes, it was a hell of a catch. It's one of the reasons I don't even think we win tonight. You need at least one thing to go your way, and NOTHING is going our way. I'll try to follow from the plane, but not expecting much.
C'mon now. You know how quickly things can turn around in baseball.
Get a strong outing from JV tonight, go to Boston and squeak out a win vs a sickly sale, and head into an anything happens game 7.
True. One game at a time....bobinator said:
I think we could all drive ourselves crazy trying to figure out what we'd do in game 7, but it's obviously going to depend on how we get through games 5 and 6 first.
We can't plan for the next game, we have to throw everything we've got tonight. Like if Verlander struggles early I have no doubt we're going to see Cole come out of the pen.
Not conceding by any means but even with verlander on the mound the way Boston's lineup is rolling I think holding them to 5 runs might be a challenge tonight.
That's not to say that we have to 'take it a game at a time' as fans or anything superstitious, I just think there are WAY too many variables to even begin calculating what we might do in a game seven.
Stop walking and hitting batters and they dont score 5. That has been the killer for the last 3 games. As well as the passed balls.
They key is not giving them free baserunners and bases.
If they beat us by hitting Justin Verlander, then it wasn't our year boys, that's fine. But it's damn frustrating to watch us hit a guy or walk a guy, then they move into scoring position on a wild pitch/pass ball, and then they end up scoring a run or two on just one hit.
I know this is 'captain obvious' stuff, but that's been the frustrating part of this series.
If they beat us by hitting Justin Verlander, then it wasn't our year boys, that's fine. But it's damn frustrating to watch us hit a guy or walk a guy, then they move into scoring position on a wild pitch/pass ball, and then they end up scoring a run or two on just one hit.
I know this is 'captain obvious' stuff, but that's been the frustrating part of this series.
Agree with you 100%. The walks, HBP, and pass balls have been entirely too frustrating. Feels like we're trying to make the perfect pitch each time up.bobinator said:
They key is not giving them free baserunners and bases.
If they beat us by hitting Justin Verlander, then it wasn't our year boys, that's fine. But it's damn frustrating to watch us hit a guy or walk a guy, then they move into scoring position on a wild pitch/pass ball, and then they end up scoring a run or two on just one hit.
I know this is 'captain obvious' stuff, but that's been the frustrating part of this series.
You think Maldando will be out there today?
The most frustrating for me was Mookie scoring on 3 pass balls. We certainly have gifted them some runs - they've taken advantage, but we've also made it a little easier for them.
overcoming a 3-1 deficit is not only possible... its actually more common than I thought...
We did the same when Yuli got to second and Carlos drove him in, but they are doing it at a much higher frequency. My issue is just not getting that last out. Its like third and Chavis this whole series and never being able to get that last out.bobinator said:
They key is not giving them free baserunners and bases.
If they beat us by hitting Justin Verlander, then it wasn't our year boys, that's fine. But it's damn frustrating to watch us hit a guy or walk a guy, then they move into scoring position on a wild pitch/pass ball, and then they end up scoring a run or two on just one hit.
I know this is 'captain obvious' stuff, but that's been the frustrating part of this series.
n_touch said:
Stop walking and hitting batters and they dont score 5. That has been the killer for the last 3 games. As well as the passed balls.
I mean that's kind of my point. They are laying off everything out of the zone. They aren't chasing and guys 1-9 are having pesky Oakland As type at bats.
We aren't getting swings and misses on any breaking stuff down and in and we have multiple guys in rotation and pen who make a living off getting those swings and misses on junk.
But yes I agree the extra bases is little league ball and we have to clean that up
And so many close plays we haven't made then they get runs after. Correa with the non-double play. Springer almost making the catch in the right field alley, but not.WelchAg said:We did the same when Yuli got to second and Carlos drove him in, but they are doing it at a much higher frequency. My issue is just not getting that last out. Its like third and Chavis this whole series and never being able to get that last out.bobinator said:
They key is not giving them free baserunners and bases.
If they beat us by hitting Justin Verlander, then it wasn't our year boys, that's fine. But it's damn frustrating to watch us hit a guy or walk a guy, then they move into scoring position on a wild pitch/pass ball, and then they end up scoring a run or two on just one hit.
I know this is 'captain obvious' stuff, but that's been the frustrating part of this series.
What percentage of Boston's runs have come with 2 outs. God it seems like 100%........
Any rules against hiting Carlos Beltran as a batboy for the reat of the year?
Wabs said:
What percentage of Boston's runs have come with 2 outs. God it seems like 100%........
7 of their 8 runs last night came with two outs.
5 of their 8 runs Tuesday night came with two outs.
4 of their 7 runs Sunday night came with two outs.
A good rotation/bullpen doesn't allow that to happen.
Scored some tickets for tonight's game! LETS DO THIS! GAME 1 OF 3 IN A ROW STARTS TONIGHT
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overcoming a 3-1 deficit is not only possible... its actually more common than I thought...
I think pitcher availability makes baseball more nuanced. A 3-1 in baseball is not the same as a 3-1 in other sports where you roll the same roster out there for every game.
it wont be easy for boston to close with the pitchers they go against.
What if we don't start Verlander tonight? Eovaldi, Procello, Brasier, Kimbrel are all out. Price is on short rest and likely not back to 100% after being hospitalized. You have to feel like Boston might throw it tonight. Could we use Verlander for 6 or 7 instead?
Its literally a must win game...EagleAg19 said:
What if we don't start Verlander tonight? Eovaldi, Procello, Brasier, Kimbrel are all out. Price is on short rest and likely not back to 100% after being hospitalized. You have to feel like Boston might throw it tonight. Could we use Verlander for 6 or 7 instead?
You can't get to 6 or 7 without winning 5. Verlander tonight is a must.
NO way. JV goes tonight whether Boston throws Sandy Koufax or Bozo the Clown.EagleAg19 said:
What if we don't start Verlander tonight? Eovaldi, Procello, Brasier, Kimbrel are all out. Price is on short rest and likely not back to 100% after being hospitalized. You have to feel like Boston might throw it tonight. Could we use Verlander for 6 or 7 instead?
Not to mention they have also been using their pen pretty heavy. Tonight could kill their pen or Price will have to pitch till his arm falls off.
It was known it would be a tough series, just needed a couple of breaks to go their way. Get it rolling tonight. Would love to watch the boys celebrate in Boston again.
It was known it would be a tough series, just needed a couple of breaks to go their way. Get it rolling tonight. Would love to watch the boys celebrate in Boston again.
Fangraphs article about the interference call...
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fan-interference-call-was-probably-good/
Basically says that the call was probably correct.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fan-interference-call-was-probably-good/
Basically says that the call was probably correct.
Flashdiaz said:
Astros are going to get favorable calls tonight and tonight only... even though Verlander doesn't need it.
Biased and skewed calls in favor of Boston will go back to normal game 6.
LOL, no they won't. It's going to be the same old *****
Joe West had to make a call on the spot. His impulse decision was to call it in Boston's favor. He gave Betts the benefit instead of the reigning MVP that hit the ball. Why is that?bearkatag15 said:
Fangraphs article about the interference call...
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fan-interference-call-was-probably-good/
Basically says that the call was probably correct.
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Not to mention they have also been using their pen pretty heavy. Tonight could kill their pen or Price will have to pitch till his arm falls off.
It was known it would be a tough series, just needed a couple of breaks to go their way. Get it rolling tonight. Would love to watch the boys celebrate in Boston again.
Ironically, it could work into Boston's hand if yall shell Price (which is a very good possibility) early and often and they make him wear it.
Yall will really be sitting pretty if he's just bad enough to be down 3-4 runs and Coras gotta go back to the pen anyway.
If I'm being honest with myself, I can't disagree that it's probably in the field of play. I didn't see it that way before but this seems like a reasonable argument.bearkatag15 said:
Fangraphs article about the interference call...
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fan-interference-call-was-probably-good/
Basically says that the call was probably correct.
However, IT CAN'T BE PROVEN EITHER WAY. Joe West should've called a home run necessitating definitive proof otherwise. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND DAMMIT
edit to add that Mookie, of all people, says he reached over the fence
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