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I think the reason it's so frustrating to me is that we have all these young players who should be developing, and we have Iapoce as the hitting coach telling them to swing for the fences on every pitch. The strikeouts are way up and personally I think any success people like Guzman, Profar, and IKF are having at the plate are in spite of him. Gallo has insane power and is going to rack up Ks, but a .202 BA is still unacceptable. When was the last time Gallo came up late in a game with RISP and didn't strikeout?

I'm worried the coaching staff is going to kill this rebuild by poisoning our young players with some awful habits at the plate.

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Banny and Iapoce are terrible.

Agreed

Teams that are set to be bad for a long time either A) Don't spend money or B) Spend money but have all of it tied up in long-term contracts on unproductive players

A) Obviously Texas is willing to spend money.

B) Texas has a few duds, but a whole lot of $$$ coming off the books the next couple of seasons.


They certainly aren't in prime position with a solid core and prospects beating down the door, but for those that think JD hasn't proven anything he will have roughly $80M to go out there and build a contender on top of the pieces we have, and I like our chances in that scenario.

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It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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Don't you have an Astros thread to post on?

Odor put up 30 HRs last year, and aside from a low batting average, was very productive.

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Look, Odor is still very young and the HR #s show he has a lot of potential, but he was not even close to productive last year. Even with those 30 HR he posted a wRC+ of 61 and a WAR of -1.0. He was BAD. If we weren't on track to lose 100 games then the people calling for him to go find his swing in AAA would be absolutely right. At this point though, we might as well keep him in the bigs to figure it out. He's too young with too much money invested in him to just write him off when we aren't competing for a playoff spot anyways.

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Could he benefit from being in the minors and is a trip there warranted? It wouldn't hurt. I'm not saying he doesn't have things to work on. However, he has been injured (hamstring) this year, and he has been productive.

His 2017 numbers:
30 HRs = T-19 in all of the AL.
79 Runs = T35 in all of the AL.
75 RBI = T48 in all of the AL.

There are 15 AL teams, so on average:
every AL team had just 1 player with more HRs than he had.
every AL team had just 2 players with more Rs than he had.
every AL team had just 3 players with more RBIs than he had.

That is pretty productive from your 2Bmen.

He was 3rd in AL by 2B with HRs, 6 in RBI, 7 in Runs. So, easily in the Top half of 2B.

Who was ahead of him (current age, career BA)?
Dozier - 31yo, career .250
Schoop - 26yo, career .260
Altuve - 28, career .318
Cano - Suspended.
Kinsler - 35yo, .272
Odor - 24yo, .245

If prime age is 27-32... maybe 33, he has 3 years before he even gets to that age. Getting his BA up to .260-.270 is not unlikely.

Again... he had a hamstring issue, which we'll have to see if it is currently affecting the finish of his swing, limiting power.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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Don't you have an Astros thread to post on?

Odor put up 30 HRs last year, and aside from a low batting average, was very productive.

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Look, Odor is still very young and the HR #s show he has a lot of potential, but he was not even close to productive last year. Even with those 30 HR he posted a wRC+ of 61 and a WAR of -1.0. He was BAD. If we weren't on track to lose 100 games then the people calling for him to go find his swing in AAA would be absolutely right. At this point though, we might as well keep him in the bigs to figure it out. He's too young with too much money invested in him to just write him off when we aren't competing for a playoff spot anyways.

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Careful......talking bad about odor will draw the wrath of dallasag.

I think he must be a relative of odor's or something.

I've never seen a guy defend a mediocre player so much.

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I think the reason it's so frustrating to me is that we have all these young players who should be developing, and we have Iapoce as the hitting coach telling them to swing for the fences on every pitch. The strikeouts are way up and personally I think any success people like Guzman, Profar, and IKF are having at the plate are in spite of him. Gallo has insane power and is going to rack up Ks, but a .202 BA is still unacceptable. When was the last time Gallo came up late in a game with RISP and didn't strikeout?

I'm worried the coaching staff is going to kill this rebuild by poisoning our young players with some awful habits at the plate.

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I'm not a fan of Iapoce.

You might actually get the idea that IKF and Guzman haven't been infected by Iapoce, as they've not been exposed to him, until this season. He has time to destroy their approach.

I mentioned earlier (about 2-3 weeks ago), that across MLB, prospects are not being taught how to hit for average, but focused on the big bomb. Players are also being focused on PC. It is being considered a successful AB if you get 8-9 pitches in an AB, even if you strikeout because you are working the SP out of the game.

I think I've heard referenced half a dozen times where Banny has said something like if the opposing pitcher goes somewhere from 16 to 20 pitches (can't recall exactly) in the 1st inning, they have a 60% win rate. Seems bizarre that a Manager is focusing on trying to get the other SP out of the game, rather than manufacturing runs.

I get that if a SP goes 20 PC in the 1st, he'll likely have lower velocity in IP 2-6, but would like to see how it affects velocity and control. Getting to a BP early helps, especially teams with little depth.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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Don't you have an Astros thread to post on?

Odor put up 30 HRs last year, and aside from a low batting average, was very productive.

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Here comes the odor lover

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Whose Astros' sock are you?

It isn't about loving Odor, it is about recognizing what talent he has and what he is capable of. Far higher ceiling than Altuve.

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You just lost all credibility.


Altuve will always be vastly superior to Odor.

Altuve always hits close to .330 or higher. Tons of teams would love to have that.


And no I'm not an Astros fan

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That was a troll comment to get exactly what you posted.
"Odor sucks completely in all circumstances."
"Altuve will always be vastly superior to Odor."
"I'm not an Astros fan."

"I did not have sexual relations... with that woman... Monica Lewinsky."

Thanks. It still begs the question of which Astros' fan sock you are.

Altuve is a really good 2B who is in his prime on a very good baseball team.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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Don't you have an Astros thread to post on?

Odor put up 30 HRs last year, and aside from a low batting average, was very productive.

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Here comes the odor lover

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Whose Astros' sock are you?

It isn't about loving Odor, it is about recognizing what talent he has and what he is capable of. Far higher ceiling than Altuve.

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You just lost all credibility.


Altuve will always be vastly superior to Odor.

Altuve always hits close to .330 or higher. Tons of teams would love to have that.


And no I'm not an Astros fan

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That was a troll comment to get exactly what you posted.
"Odor sucks completely in all circumstances."
"Altuve will always be vastly superior to Odor."
"I'm not an Astros fan."

"I did not have sexual relations... with that woman... Monica Lewinsky."

Thanks. It still begs the question of which Astros' fan sock you are.

Altuve is a really good 2B who is in his prime on a very good baseball team.

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Ok odors uncle

You've outed me.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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Don't you have an Astros thread to post on?

Odor put up 30 HRs last year, and aside from a low batting average, was very productive.

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Here comes the odor lover

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Whose Astros' sock are you?

It isn't about loving Odor, it is about recognizing what talent he has and what he is capable of. Far higher ceiling than Altuve.

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Okay I absolutely despise Altuve but that is a wild overstatement. Odor will never hit for as high an average as altuve does. I think he has more power potential but I do not think he could be better than altuve if he maxed out every bit of his potential

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He claimed it was a troll to "out" me, but he only said it after my post went blue from everyone giving it a blue star because it's just plain crazy talk to say that odor could ever be as good ( or better) than altuve.

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It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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Don't you have an Astros thread to post on?

Odor put up 30 HRs last year, and aside from a low batting average, was very productive.

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Here comes the odor lover

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Whose Astros' sock are you?

It isn't about loving Odor, it is about recognizing what talent he has and what he is capable of. Far higher ceiling than Altuve.

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Okay I absolutely despise Altuve but that is a wild overstatement. Odor will never hit for as high an average as altuve does. I think he has more power potential but I do not think he could be better than altuve if he maxed out every bit of his potential

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See my statement above. The statement served two purposes. First, to demonstrate grape is an Astros' sock trolling over here. The other is to draw out the other Astros' lurkers.

I don't mind Altuve. I think he has earned whatever recognition he gets and has far exceeded what I thought he would achieve. But, like Biggio, Astros fans have too little self-control to not interject, which is exactly what I got from grape.

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It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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Don't you have an Astros thread to post on?

Odor put up 30 HRs last year, and aside from a low batting average, was very productive.

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Here comes the odor lover

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Whose Astros' sock are you?

It isn't about loving Odor, it is about recognizing what talent he has and what he is capable of. Far higher ceiling than Altuve.

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Okay I absolutely despise Altuve but that is a wild overstatement. Odor will never hit for as high an average as altuve does. I think he has more power potential but I do not think he could be better than altuve if he maxed out every bit of his potential

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See my statement above. The statement served two purposes. First, to demonstrate grape is an Astros' sock trolling over here. The other is to draw out the other Astros' lurkers.

I don't mind Altuve. I think he has earned whatever recognition he gets and has far exceeded what I thought he would achieve. But, like Biggio, Astros fans have too little self-control to not interject, which is exactly what I got from grape.

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Did you go to tu?

Because now it looks like you're revving up the spin machine.

Anytime he's proven wrong, he just says it was trolling...it's like clock work

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He claimed it was a troll to "out" me, but he only said it after my post went blue from everyone giving it a blue star because it's just plain crazy talk to say that odor could ever be as good ( or better) than altuve.

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I don't think there is a single Rangers fan that posts on here believes I care about blue stars or what Astros fans think.

Odor may never hit for better average than Altuve. He certainly won't be a good defensively.

But, there are many categories for which Odor will exceed Altuve.

There are several in which Odor is in range.

HR: 89 vs 89 (Odor vs Altuve)
3B: 23 v 25
SO: 485 v 503
HBP: 34 v 42

Despite a difference of almost 4 years.

Through age 23 season:
Odor: 546 GP, 88 HR, 39 SB, .247 BA, .287 OBP, .444 SLG, 23 Triples, 89 Doubles.
Altuve: 356 GP, 14 HR, 75 SB, .285 BA .323 OBP, .377 SLG, 7 Triples, 75 Doubles.

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Anytime he's proven wrong, he just says it was trolling...it's like clock work

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See... here comes the Astros fans.

Like clock work. Very predictable.

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Why are you highlighting that Odor has only 18 fewer strikeouts, in about half as many games, as Altuve does?

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To make the point that statistically they are in close proximity.

AND... to affirm that I know Odor has weaknesses in his game, for which he needs to improve and add a level of objectivity.

Batting Average and Ks don't have the same view today as when I grew up. Rob Deer was WAY ahead of his time.

Grapesoda2525 = astros4545 ?????

The code has been broken!

That's a **** ton of posts for a sock account though

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That's a **** ton of posts for a sock account though

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Is it official? Did I miss something?

Keep in mind, Grapesoda posts a ton in Politics and apparently in Premium.

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There are several in which Odor is in range.

HR: 89 vs 89 (Odor vs Altuve)
3B: 23 v 25
SO: 485 v 503
HBP: 34 v 42

Despite a difference of almost 4 years.

Through age 23 season:
Odor: 546 GP, 88 HR, 39 SB, .247 BA, .287 OBP, .444 SLG, 23 Triples, 89 Doubles.
Altuve: 356 GP, 14 HR, 75 SB, .285 BA .323 OBP, .377 SLG, 7 Triples, 75 Doubles.

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So I AM an Astros fan. At the end of the day, a good player is a good player, which I can respect no matter what team he plays for.

It's just interesting that you decide to use full career statistics when saying "despite a difference of almost 4 years." I get the point of it, but as someone else has said, the SOs are counter to your argument and I'm not really sure HBP should factor into who has a higher ceiling.

I can readily agree that Odor will probably have more HR than Altuve in his career.

But your through the age of 23 stats - Odor has a full year's more ABs than Altuve does during that time period, which has an impact on the counting statistics like doubles. If you took the same amount of ABs, Altuve would have more doubles and still have less HRs, triples, and SLG. He will still have a higher BA and OBP.

I think the better metric is on a per 162 game stat line for that time period.

Altuve had already made an All-Star team before turning 23.

You also didn't put total hits in your stats, which is 499 for Odor before 23 and 405 for Altuve before 23. One could argue that if Altuve had the same # of ABs as Odor before 23, he most likely would have had more hits than Odor.

After 23 Odor is trending downward while Altuve launched upward after his 23 year old season.

I think if Odor can figure things out, he will be a really good player with great pop and be a valuable asset. I will be interested to see how the next 5 years go for Odor.

I would agree with you that he's too young to give up on, and has show some really, really nice flashes, but I cannot agree with you that he has a higher ceiling than Altuve.

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That's a **** ton of posts for a sock account though

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Is it official? Did I miss something?

Keep in mind, Grapesoda posts a ton in Politics and apparently in Premium.

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Oh I have no idea. I just noticed that you had accused Grapesoda2525 of being an Astros sock, and then astros4545. Look at the numbers at the end of the username.

I just figured people want to hide their identity, but still have certain tendencies that link two things together, i.e the numbers at the end of the username. 2525 and 4545?? Probably just a coincidence, but maybe not!

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Rangers about to suck for a long, long, time.

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Not so much.

It depends on how JD wants to handle the team.

We had $165M in 2017.
We are at $133M committed for 2018.
We are at $72M committed for 2019.

2019 shows Fielder still owed $9M, but I thought that was taken off with an Insurance claim negotiation.

The $72M has $15.25M for Andrus, assumes a $6M buyout of Hamels and options for Perez, Fister and Chirinos.

That has us with:
C - Chirinos
1B - Guzman
2B - Odor
3B - IKF
SS - Profar
LF - Gallo
CF - DeShields
RF - Mazara
DH - Choo
Rotation - Fister, Minor, Perez, Moore
Bullpen - Claudio, Kela, Leclerc, Bush, Barnette

So, if you believe we should be at $170M for 2019, we have almost $100M to get there.

If we don't trade Hamels, for $14M we could have him on the roster. We have enough money to sign at least one front-line SP in addition to Hamels. If Hamels gets moved (likely) we have $20M to replace him. We'll have at least one minor-league SP we can additional improvements there.

Andrus will likely be on the roster. Maybe he gets an additional $5M? I would love to see us sign Beltre to another year, if he were willing to spend time at DH and 3B.

People said Mazara needed to improve, if we were going to compete. I think he has. At 23:
2017: 148 GP, .253, 20 HR, .323 OBP
2018: 67 GP, .265, 14 HR, .335 OBP

We needed Choo to improve:
2017: 149 GP, .261, 22 HR, 12 SB, .357 OBP
2018: 65 GP, .267, 11 HR, .375 OBP

So, we have some pieces. Trading Beltre, Andrus and/or Hamels should net us at least 2 pieces that could be impactful within 2-3 years.

For 2019, we'll have to consider Jurado (AA, 9GS, 3.81) and/or YoMen (AAA- 10GS, 5.26)
Both I'm hoping can fill a spot at #5 by next year.

By 2020, we'll have several additional SPs ready.
DEWDs (A+)
Hernandez (21-RHP): 10 GS, 57.1 IP, 77 SO, 2.20 ERA, 0.94 WHIP <- About to be 22
Arredondo (21-RHP): 10 GS, 55.1 IP, 62 SO, 2.28 ERA, 0.99 WHIP <- Just turned 21

For $100M, JD could infuse through FA quickly.

I don't think the Rangers are all that far off and they could have competed this year, if JD had desired. Instead, he went with the pieces he hoped he might be able to trade if they did well, in order to get more prospects.

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What about June Calhoun?

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There are several in which Odor is in range.

HR: 89 vs 89 (Odor vs Altuve)
3B: 23 v 25
SO: 485 v 503
HBP: 34 v 42

Despite a difference of almost 4 years.

Through age 23 season:
Odor: 546 GP, 88 HR, 39 SB, .247 BA, .287 OBP, .444 SLG, 23 Triples, 89 Doubles.
Altuve: 356 GP, 14 HR, 75 SB, .285 BA .323 OBP, .377 SLG, 7 Triples, 75 Doubles.

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So I AM an Astros fan. At the end of the day, a good player is a good player, which I can respect no matter what team he plays for.

It's just interesting that you decide to use full career statistics when saying "despite a difference of almost 4 years." I get the point of it, but as someone else has said, the SOs are counter to your argument and I'm not really sure HBP should factor into who has a higher ceiling.

I can readily agree that Odor will probably have more HR than Altuve in his career.

But your through the age of 23 stats - Odor has a full year's more ABs than Altuve does during that time period, which has an impact on the counting statistics like doubles. If you took the same amount of ABs, Altuve would have more doubles and still have less HRs, triples, and SLG. He will still have a higher BA and OBP.

I think the better metric is on a per 162 game stat line for that time period.

Altuve had already made an All-Star team before turning 23.

You also didn't put total hits in your stats, which is 499 for Odor before 23 and 405 for Altuve before 23. One could argue that if Altuve had the same # of ABs as Odor before 23, he most likely would have had more hits than Odor.

After 23 Odor is trending downward while Altuve launched upward after his 23 year old season.

I think if Odor can figure things out, he will be a really good player with great pop and be a valuable asset. I will be interested to see how the next 5 years go for Odor.

I would agree with you that he's too young to give up on, and has show some really, really nice flashes, but I cannot agree with you that he has a higher ceiling than Altuve.

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A reasonable Astros fan.

I toyed withe the idea of including Offensive ceiling, but in order to do what I wanted, I omitted that word. The troll is I believe overall, Altuve is a better 2B, when you consider O and D. Even his role and value to the team.

If you notice in almost all of my comments, then stem in offensive statistical accumulation. Odor is serviceable defensively. Much like Kinsler he has some incredible plays most 2B don't make, and yet, you will watch the ball go right through their legs. Altuve is much more consistant and a better performer.

From on offensive standpoint... yes, Altuve will likely have a significantly higher BA... OBP. SBs, if he ever gets back to stealing bases. A role/stat he really doesn't need to provide, when he has people hitting behind him.

Odor's SB get diminished when he has extra-base hits. A HR vs a single + 3 SB.

Because Odor has success at such an early age, most of what he has already done is additive to players who are just entering MLB. If prime age is 27-32, that is 6 +/- years where you would normally expect performance to be better than other years. As it is...Odor is currently T-65 ALL TIME in HRs for a 2B and he hasn't even entered prime years. That also doesn't take into account 2B that played other positions than 2B. Biggio, for example is 4th with 291 HRs, however only 226 of those HRs were as a 2B.

You make the point that Odor having more ABs by 23. That is kinda the point I'm making. We could argue whether Altuve could have or would have produced. But, Altuve was still in the minors. Either because he wasn't considered good enough, or the Astros screwed him out of service time. You can decide who is to blame. I don't really care.

The SO and HBP were tongue-in-cheek. I thought they'd be fun to include, because I think they were close, but not that relevant. Total Bases, plenty of relevant stats. I just thought it was funny, even though the SO are a huge negative. They are still close and I found that funny and worth including.

If Odor figures things out... then he is going to put up very gawdy offensive numbers, which was my main central point. Any reasonable person will concede that. If he plays just 10 more years at 2B, until 34, and he puts up 25 HRs/yr... he'll pass Jeff Kent for most HRs by a player at 2B - 377. 351 of those HRs were while playing 2B. If he puts up 80 R and 80 RBIs for 10 years, he'll likely be Top 50 and Top 20 respectively.

He may suck the rest of the way and be out of baseball before the end of 2018. But, there is reason to be optimistic.

And I don't take myself too seriously and enjoy a good baseball discussion even if there is player/team bias.

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Is it official? Did I miss something?

Keep in mind, Grapesoda posts a ton in Politics and apparently in Premium.

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Oh I have no idea. I just noticed that you had accused Grapesoda2525 of being an Astros sock, and then astros4545. Look at the numbers at the end of the username.

I just figured people want to hide their identity, but still have certain tendencies that link two things together, i.e the numbers at the end of the username. 2525 and 4545?? Probably just a coincidence, but maybe not!

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It was very telling that Astros4545 posted on both the Astros and Rangers threads almost simultaneously and then deleted the posts on both thread. That I missed something they posted on the wrong thread with the wrong sock.

Looks legit.

For what it's worth, age 22 seasons:

2012 Altuve
GP 147
PA 630
oWAR 3.2
dWAR -1.5
TOTAL WAR 1.4

2016 Odor
GP 150
PA 632
oWAR 3.4
dWAR -0.5
TOTAL WAR 2.5

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Not so much.

It depends on how JD wants to handle the team.

We had $165M in 2017.
We are at $133M committed for 2018.
We are at $72M committed for 2019.

2019 shows Fielder still owed $9M, but I thought that was taken off with an Insurance claim negotiation.

The $72M has $15.25M for Andrus, assumes a $6M buyout of Hamels and options for Perez, Fister and Chirinos.

That has us with:
C - Chirinos
1B - Guzman
2B - Odor
3B - IKF
SS - Profar
LF - Gallo
CF - DeShields
RF - Mazara
DH - Choo
Rotation - Fister, Minor, Perez, Moore
Bullpen - Claudio, Kela, Leclerc, Bush, Barnette

So, if you believe we should be at $170M for 2019, we have almost $100M to get there.

If we don't trade Hamels, for $14M we could have him on the roster. We have enough money to sign at least one front-line SP in addition to Hamels. If Hamels gets moved (likely) we have $20M to replace him. We'll have at least one minor-league SP we can additional improvements there.

Andrus will likely be on the roster. Maybe he gets an additional $5M? I would love to see us sign Beltre to another year, if he were willing to spend time at DH and 3B.

People said Mazara needed to improve, if we were going to compete. I think he has. At 23:
2017: 148 GP, .253, 20 HR, .323 OBP
2018: 67 GP, .265, 14 HR, .335 OBP

We needed Choo to improve:
2017: 149 GP, .261, 22 HR, 12 SB, .357 OBP
2018: 65 GP, .267, 11 HR, .375 OBP

So, we have some pieces. Trading Beltre, Andrus and/or Hamels should net us at least 2 pieces that could be impactful within 2-3 years.

For 2019, we'll have to consider Jurado (AA, 9GS, 3.81) and/or YoMen (AAA- 10GS, 5.26)
Both I'm hoping can fill a spot at #5 by next year.

By 2020, we'll have several additional SPs ready.
DEWDs (A+)
Hernandez (21-RHP): 10 GS, 57.1 IP, 77 SO, 2.20 ERA, 0.94 WHIP <- About to be 22
Arredondo (21-RHP): 10 GS, 55.1 IP, 62 SO, 2.28 ERA, 0.99 WHIP <- Just turned 21

For $100M, JD could infuse through FA quickly.

I don't think the Rangers are all that far off and they could have competed this year, if JD had desired. Instead, he went with the pieces he hoped he might be able to trade if they did well, in order to get more prospects.

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I considered including him. Like putting Profar at SS, I was trying to mix best available with open positions. I don't know his D in LF well enough to know if he will transition to LF for 2019. It is curious.

I would like to see the Rangers move Choo, opening up a lineup spot for him. But, if the Rangers decide to sign a big name, it will likely be an OF. Or Profar can play OF. Just not sure how the roster plays out.

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Altuve had already made an All-Star team before turning 23.

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That was particularly funny. On a 55-107 team.

That team:
147 GP Altuve (2B) .290, 7 HR, 33 SB, 80 R, 37 RBIs <- All-Star
146 GP Bogusevic (RF) .203, 7 HRs, 15 SB <- Career 321 GP in MLB
113 GP JD Martinez (LF) .241, 11 HR, 0 SB
106 GP Schafer (CF) .211, 4 HR, 27 SB <- Ceiling in career GP in MLB

Odor's age 22 season:
150 GP Odor (2B) .271, 33 HR, 14 SB, 89 R, 88 RBIs <- NOT an All-Star

DallasAg 94 said:

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AccidentProne said:

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That's a **** ton of posts for a sock account though

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Is it official? Did I miss something?

Keep in mind, Grapesoda posts a ton in Politics and apparently in Premium.

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blech

On vacation in Miami and caught the game tonight with MadBum on the bump. Brinson was 4" away from taking him deep to CF. The Giants brought in Dyson in the 7th with a one run lead which he promptly blew by giving up 3 including a HR. Classic Dyson blown save.

Looks like grapesoda spooked himself when he exposed that he was a sock for astros4545.

He shut the hell up. Funny.

astros4545... what was it you posted that you deleted?!