I'd tell these SPs... if you can't go 6.0 IP, get ready to do some BP work because you are going to help RP.

It is the only way you can cycle enough pitchers.

So Cashner signs for 2 years $16M, Rangers sign Moore for 2 years $19M. What in the frick is JD smoking?

That Brocail goatee is ubsurd.

I think they can buy out of 2019 for $750k. And it got them $750k in international $$$

Sure. Just reach to pull a weak grounder into the shift down 6 wth 0 outs

I drove bus said:

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That Brocail goatee is ubsurd.

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I'm waiting to find somethjng about Brocail that isnt absurd

Our offense is pitiful. I just don't see good approaches at the plate.

DannyDuberstein said:

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I think they can buy out of 2019 for $750k. And it got them $750k in international $$$

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Granted Moore was acquired via Trade, but come on...

Cashner (31)
2016: 5.98 ERA
2017: 3.40 ERA
2018: $6.5M
2019: $9.5M
2020: $10M Team Option.

Moore (29)
2016: 4.08 ERA
2017: 5.52 ERA
2018: $9.0M
2019: $10M Team Option/$750K buyout

Cashner is making $2.5M less this year.

I think Chavez is tired. Hey Banny... go ahead and go get him...

Brocail is worthless...

You've got a RP at over 55 PCs and you don't have anyone up, yet?

Toronto hits 2 HRs back-to-back... and then delivers a pitch to the next batter before Brocail can find his way out to the mound.

Sleeping...

TV broadcast indicated the Rangers lead the league in facing a defensive shift. 37%.

You think that is because:
a.) The Rangers refuse to adjust.
b.) It remains successful.
c.) Other teams have chosen to adjust even though they probably shouldn't

Something else to distract?!

AAA - Adrian Sampson (26): 4.1 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 5 SO
AA -- Ariel Jurado (22) :4.2 IP, 6 H 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 SO
A+ -- Edgar Arredondo (20): 5.0 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 7 SO
A --- Alex Eubanks (22): 5.2 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 7 SO

Funny they all 4 have a name that begins with an "A."

At least one of them got to the 6th. Truth is... in the minors, they are normally not going deep into games, anyway.

bigcat22 said:

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Speaking of ex-Ranger power hitting prospects, any word on Mike Olt. Haven't heard his name in a while

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AccidentProne said:

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Goodbye Matt Moore

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Can we give Big Sexy his spot in the rotation? Maybe put Moore in the pen and see if he can get it together? Lord knows we can't trade him for anything of value.

gigem1223 said:

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So Cashner signs for 2 years $16M, Rangers sign Moore for 2 years $19M. What in the frick is JD smoking?

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Not that it really matters, but didn't we trade for him? Think the Giants unloaded a bad contract on us, and we took the bait.

DallasAg 94 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I think they can buy out of 2019 for $750k. And it got them $750k in international $$$

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Granted Moore was acquired via Trade, but come on...

Cashner (31)
2016: 5.98 ERA
2017: 3.40 ERA
2018: $6.5M
2019: $9.5M
2020: $10M Team Option.

Moore (29)
2016: 4.08 ERA
2017: 5.52 ERA
2018: $9.0M
2019: $10M Team Option/$750K buyout

Cashner is making $2.5M less this year.

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Yeah, once the depressed free agent market values became known, I was hoping we would bring Cashner back. He was a pretty reliable starter for us last year and would be an upgrade over some of the guys that we are running out there currently.

DallasAg 94 said:

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TV broadcast indicated the Rangers lead the league in facing a defensive shift. 37%.

You think that is because:
a.) The Rangers refuse to adjust.
b.) It remains successful.
c.) Other teams have chosen to adjust even though they probably shouldn't

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It seems the easy choice when the majority of your opponent's lineup has a ****ty approach at the plate.

free_mhayden said:

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Moore has upside next year.

Cashner doesn't.

You guys will all feel a lot better if/when you finally realize this year wasn't about putting the best team out there, but instead putting the best team out there that didn't tie-up money long-term.

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I definitely hear you, but the Mavs have kinda scarred me on the whole "save money this year so we can sign big names and be good next year" thing

free_mhayden said:

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Moore has upside next year.

Cashner doesn't.

You guys will all feel a lot better if/when you finally realize this year wasn't about putting the best team out there, but instead putting the best team out there that didn't tie-up money long-term.

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I already know that, but it doesn't make me feel a lot better.

Cashner has upside this year. Moore does not. And where is this belief that Moore has value next year? The value is Moore has a Team Option at only $750K.

Maybe you missed this:

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Cashner (31)
2016: 5.98 ERA
2017: 3.40 ERA
2018: $6.5M
2019: $9.5M
2020: $10M Team Option.

Moore (29)
2016: 4.08 ERA
2017: 5.52 ERA
2018: $9.0M
2019: $10M Team Option/$750K buyout

Cashner is making $2.5M less this year.

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If he Rangers are looking towards 2019... they could have paid Cashner $9.0M in 2018 and only $6.5M for 2019. Who knows... maybe they could have paid him enough in 2018, to make the 2019 an Option structured like Moore's.

As it is, right now we have:
Mike Minor @$9.833

Then Options
Hamels (34): $20M/$6M
Perez (27): $7.5M/$750K
Moore (30): $10M/$750K
Fister (35): $4.5M/$500K

I think it is generally accepted that if Hamels does well, he'll be traded. If he doesn't do well, he may be traded (for less) or his Option won't be picked up (Basically is he worth $14M to pitch for the Rangers in 2019).

Moore seemed to lose command. He got two quick outs in the 1st, then walked the next 2 guys and hit a 3rd. It is the same problem we've all had with Perez. He'll be doing fine, then fall apart.

JD does not seem to have a plan for 2019, although it doesn't keep anyone from thinking he does.

I think he went all-in for Ohtani. I think he thought it was a done deal and he was planning 2019 around him. When that didn't happen, I don't think JD had a Plan "B."

A strategy of getting as may retreads as possible with Option years has purpose, if you are looking to fill a #4/5... if you are needing to supplement a gap in your upper levels of SP to help keep from having to push younger guys.

Maybe JD is going old-Rangers-School of focusing on just trying to score more runs than the other team.

JD's strategy has to be for 2020, not 2019. He will have more holes to fill in 2019, than he had to fill in 2018.

Cashner had a 461 FIP last year; Moore was at 475.

Like too many things Rangers these days neither option was good...simply a coin flip in terms of which option might be less bad.

corleoneAg99 said:

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Cashner had a 461 FIP last year; Moore was at 475.

Like too many things Rangers these days neither option was good...simply a coin flip in terms of which option might be less bad.

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Well, which of the following looks more appealing?

$6.5M for:
1. 5.0 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 5 SO v Min
2. 6.0 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 5 SO @ NYY

or
$9.0M for:
1. 4.0 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, 0 BB, 6 SO v Hou
2. 3.1 IP, 5 H, 5 ER, 4 BB, 1 SO, 1 HBP v Tor

For mhayden... #SampleSize

I know it is early, but the two seem headed in different directions. Both are demonstrating what they did last year.

Cashner is cheaper in 2018, coming off a better 2017 than Moore. If Moore continues to only pitch 4.0 IP, it will destroy the RP. 4 BB in 3.1 IP has to be very troubling. In ST, maybe not so much, but the 2nd game of the season?!

corleoneAg99 said:

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Cashner had a 461 FIP last year; Moore was at 475.

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There isn't a question in my mind that Cashner was much more effective last year than was Moore, despite FIP suggesting they were close. FIP is just one incomplete measure. Nearly everything else skews heavily towards Cashner.

Even if we had signed Cashner this team would still suck. If they could have signed Ohtani and kept Darvish then maybe it would matter.

As it is this team is headed for a multiple year rebuild.

If Rougie hits in this mask, he may have to wear it all year

DallasAg 94 said:

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corleoneAg99 said:

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Cashner had a 461 FIP last year; Moore was at 475.

Like too many things Rangers these days neither option was good...simply a coin flip in terms of which option might be less bad.

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Well, which of the following looks more appealing?

$6.5M for:
1. 5.0 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 5 SO v Min
2. 6.0 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 5 SO @ NYY

or
$9.0M for:
1. 4.0 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, 0 BB, 6 SO v Hou
2. 3.1 IP, 5 H, 5 ER, 4 BB, 1 SO, 1 HBP v Tor

For mhayden... #SampleSize

I know it is early, but the two seem headed in different directions. Both are demonstrating what they did last year.

Cashner is cheaper in 2018, coming off a better 2017 than Moore. If Moore continues to only pitch 4.0 IP, it will destroy the RP. 4 BB in 3.1 IP has to be very troubling. In ST, maybe not so much, but the 2nd game of the season?!

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Neither looks appealing...that's the point.

TXAggie2011 said:

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corleoneAg99 said:

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Cashner had a 461 FIP last year; Moore was at 475.

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There isn't a question in my mind that Cashner was much more effective last year than was Moore, despite FIP suggesting they were close. FIP is just one incomplete measure. Nearly everything else skews heavily towards Cashner.

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Well yeah...end results = more effective.

Actual skills = they're both terribad.

Only Banny would call for a first pitch bunt against a pitcher that had just thrown 8 straight balls

Elvis

I really don't want to admit Ohtani has been amazing.

Minor be dealin

Well that was a pathetic showing by the bottom of the order