***** Official 2017 TEX vs HOU Trash Talking Thread *****

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DannyDuberstein said:

Let's break down this "home" aspect. Games would have been last minute. Middle of the week. 2nd week of school. Middle and HS football are having their first games this week. Anticipated outpouring of giving and support from individuals in DFW for houston, as there as been all week from citizens of DFW. Well, except for some ranger executives not agreeing to play 3 late September games in Houston. I really think the "home game" factor is being overestimated for what would have actually occurred this week.
So you think MLB and the other wild card contenders would allow the Rangers to have three extra home games? Simple question.
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Wouldn't it be nice to get this thread back to actual trash talking about the product on the field. Astros fans can crow about their 13 game lead over the Rangers. Rangers fans can talk about outscoring the Astros 20-3 in the first 2 games of the series, or their all-time record vs the Astros.

The scheduling issue is over, and as Houston-native Jeff Banister pointed out, the rivalry should be about what's going on between the lines. Outside the lines, it's time to pull together. Decisions have been made and there's nothing that can change that. Getting pissed about the scheduling of a game is not going to help anyone.
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Yes, I do. 100%. You think MLB would have made players uproot from family taking cover in DFW if the astros wanted to stay? No way.
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dermdoc said:

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You keep posting like you know for sure what the MLB would do. Do you work in the league offices or something?
So what do you think MLB do? Do you honestly believe they would let the Rangers have three extra home games? And that the other wild card teams would say or do nothing? Has that ever happened in MLB history?
I can't answer that because I'm not sure any precedent has been set regarding where to schedule 3 baseball games after a major storm drowned the entire gulf coast and city of Houston, and forced two teams --both in the hunt for the playoffs--to come to a mutual agreement in less than 24 hours on where to play.

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KT 90 said:

dermdoc said:

AccidentProne said:

You keep posting like you know for sure what the MLB would do. Do you work in the league offices or something?
So what do you think MLB do? Do you honestly believe they would let the Rangers have three extra home games? And that the other wild card teams would say or do nothing? Has that ever happened in MLB history?

Orioles games against Tampa were moved to Tampa when Baltimore was unable to host games, Tampa got "extra" home games: http://www.foxsports.com/florida/story/tampa-bay-rays-vs-baltimore-orioles-series-on-may-1-3-moved-to-tampa-bay-042815

Astros - Cubs moved to Milwaukee when the Astros couldn't host, although not technically a home game for the Cubs it might as well have been due to location.


Astros Cubs was still a neutral field. You have a point with the Orioles but different point in the season and different magnitude of the games.
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KT 90 said:

dermdoc said:

AccidentProne said:

You keep posting like you know for sure what the MLB would do. Do you work in the league offices or something?
So what do you think MLB do? Do you honestly believe they would let the Rangers have three extra home games? And that the other wild card teams would say or do nothing? Has that ever happened in MLB history?

Orioles games against Tampa were moved to Tampa when Baltimore was unable to host games, Tampa got "extra" home games: http://www.foxsports.com/florida/story/tampa-bay-rays-vs-baltimore-orioles-series-on-may-1-3-moved-to-tampa-bay-042815

Astros - Cubs moved to Milwaukee when the Astros couldn't host, although not technically a home game for the Cubs it might as well have been due to location.
The TB/BAL issue seems like the most relevant precedent. Out of curiosity, did they shift any TB vs BAL games back to BAL later in the season? Or did the schedule go on as originally slated?
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It went on as originally slated.
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dermdoc said:

KT 90 said:

dermdoc said:

AccidentProne said:

You keep posting like you know for sure what the MLB would do. Do you work in the league offices or something?
So what do you think MLB do? Do you honestly believe they would let the Rangers have three extra home games? And that the other wild card teams would say or do nothing? Has that ever happened in MLB history?

Orioles games against Tampa were moved to Tampa when Baltimore was unable to host games, Tampa got "extra" home games: http://www.foxsports.com/florida/story/tampa-bay-rays-vs-baltimore-orioles-series-on-may-1-3-moved-to-tampa-bay-042815

Astros - Cubs moved to Milwaukee when the Astros couldn't host, although not technically a home game for the Cubs it might as well have been due to location.


Astros Cubs was still a neutral field. You have a point with the Orioles but different point in the season and different magnitude of the games.
Being early in the season would have given them far more opportunity to shift a later series back to BAL. Did they do that? Given that it was early in the season, and Baltimore was coming off a 96-win season and TB has been competitive throughout this decade, it's fair to have assumed that series could end up having playoff implications down the road. But you seem to be moving the goalposts.
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dermdoc- can you provide evidence of NYY, MIN, LAAA, BAL, TB, SEA, and KC displaying their displeasure with the Rangers having a potential 3 extra home games?

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DannyDuberstein said:

It went on as originally slated.
Okay. There it is. Valid precedent to show that MLB would have allowed it.
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dermdoc right now...

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AccidentProne said:

dermdoc- can you provide evidence of NYY, MIN, LAAA, BAL, TB, SEA, and KC displaying their displeasure with the Rangers having a potential 3 extra home games?


No I do not.
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AccidentProne said:

dermdoc right now...


I stared at that for an embarrassing length of time waiting for something to come up.
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No, I am fine. I know what the right thing to do would have been.
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Lucky #007 said:

AccidentProne said:

dermdoc right now...


I stared at that for an embarrassing length of time waiting for something to come up.
Same here.
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dermdoc said:

No, I am fine. I know what the right thing to do would have been.
Yes, for Ryan to accept JD's offer of more money for relief efforts.

In all seriousness, both sides missed an opportunity to take a higher ground, but I also don't think either side was inherently wrong. It's a tough situation. In the end, this shouldn't even be public knowledge, as you end up w/ emotional and stressed fans hyperventilating over something that we don't really know all the specifics of.
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And if I was a Rangers season ticket holder, I would be proud I was not inconvienced. The nerve of that.
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You won't find it. Stuff like that usually is not public information. Just like how this whole decision making process of where to play these three games should have never been made public
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dermdoc said:

And if I was a Rangers season ticket holder, I would be proud I was not inconvienced. The nerve of that.
I'd be bummed that an opportunity was lost on Tue/Wed/Thurs to really pack the stadium to help out fellow Texans. But that's on both franchises for being unable to come to an agreement.
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dermdoc said:

And if I was a Rangers season ticket holder, I would be proud I was not inconvienced. The nerve of that.
Can I ask you one thing? Do you have any problem w/ Reid Ryan going public with the back-and-forth between the two franchises? Given the stress and emotion of what was going on, do you have any issue w/ him starting a fire that didn't need to even exist?
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More bummed that the Rangers did not switch series as first offered and we would have avoided all this mess. Plus it would have indicated a sincere wish to do anything to help without regard to anything else. Now that would have been something.
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RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

And if I was a Rangers season ticket holder, I would be proud I was not inconvienced. The nerve of that.
Can I ask you one thing? Do you have any problem w/ Reid Ryan going public with the back-and-forth between the two franchises? Given the stress and emotion of what was going on, do you have any issue w/ him starting a fire that didn't need to even exist?
I would have gone public also as I would have been shocked and pissed that the Rangers refused to switch series given the circumstances. You called me out for "assuming the worst about the Rangers", I will not call you out for assuming the worst about Reid.
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And I am done with MLB now anyway as it is cfb season. Flying to LA tomorrow to BTHO UCLA! God bless!
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dermdoc said:

RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

And if I was a Rangers season ticket holder, I would be proud I was not inconvienced. The nerve of that.
Can I ask you one thing? Do you have any problem w/ Reid Ryan going public with the back-and-forth between the two franchises? Given the stress and emotion of what was going on, do you have any issue w/ him starting a fire that didn't need to even exist?
I would have gone public also as I would have been shocked and pissed that the Rangers refused to switch series given the circumstances. You called me out for "assuming the worst about the Rangers", I will not call you out for assuming the worst about Reid.
I'm not assuming the worst. He ran to the media and made this all public knowledge. I don't know why he did it. I'm not assuming his motives. But his actions did create an unnecessary firestorm that is in no way constructive.

So, you play the "brother in Christ" card, then support your "side" airing dirty laundry because they were mad?
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dermdoc said:

And I am done with MLB now anyway as it is cfb season. Flying to LA tomorrow to BTHO UCLA! God bless!
So you're not going to follow your team during the stretch run/playoffs? Are you not an actual fan? If not, why are you so livid about a sport that you'll be "done with" at its climactic point of the season?
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RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

And if I was a Rangers season ticket holder, I would be proud I was not inconvienced. The nerve of that.
Can I ask you one thing? Do you have any problem w/ Reid Ryan going public with the back-and-forth between the two franchises? Given the stress and emotion of what was going on, do you have any issue w/ him starting a fire that didn't need to even exist?
I would have gone public also as I would have been shocked and pissed that the Rangers refused to switch series given the circumstances. You called me out for "assuming the worst about the Rangers", I will not call you out for assuming the worst about Reid.
I'm not assuming the worst. He ran to the media and made this all public knowledge. I don't know why he did it. I'm not assuming his motives. But his actions did create an unnecessary firestorm that is in no way constructive.
But he would not have gone public except to praise the Rangers if they had accepted the first offer to switch series, correct? The refusal of the first offer was what started the whole thing. When a neighbor is down, you don't base decisions on the bottom line imho.
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dermdoc said:

RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

And if I was a Rangers season ticket holder, I would be proud I was not inconvienced. The nerve of that.
Can I ask you one thing? Do you have any problem w/ Reid Ryan going public with the back-and-forth between the two franchises? Given the stress and emotion of what was going on, do you have any issue w/ him starting a fire that didn't need to even exist?
I would have gone public also as I would have been shocked and pissed that the Rangers refused to switch series given the circumstances. You called me out for "assuming the worst about the Rangers", I will not call you out for assuming the worst about Reid.
Except you did.
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dermdoc said:

RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

And if I was a Rangers season ticket holder, I would be proud I was not inconvienced. The nerve of that.
Can I ask you one thing? Do you have any problem w/ Reid Ryan going public with the back-and-forth between the two franchises? Given the stress and emotion of what was going on, do you have any issue w/ him starting a fire that didn't need to even exist?
I would have gone public also as I would have been shocked and pissed that the Rangers refused to switch series given the circumstances. You called me out for "assuming the worst about the Rangers", I will not call you out for assuming the worst about Reid.
I'm not assuming the worst. He ran to the media and made this all public knowledge. I don't know why he did it. I'm not assuming his motives. But his actions did create an unnecessary firestorm that is in no way constructive.
But he would not have gone public except to praise the Rangers if they had accepted the first offer to switch series, correct? The refusal of the first offer was what started the whole thing. When a neighbor is down, you don't base decisions on the bottom line imho.
There's no need to go public w/ any of the details of the decision-making process. There's precedent for not switching series. Whether you think JD was wrong for rejecting their offer, or Ryan was wrong for rejecting the Rangers offer, can you not see that Ryan running to the media was unnecessary and unbecoming of a professional front office?
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RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

And I am done with MLB now anyway as it is cfb season. Flying to LA tomorrow to BTHO UCLA! God bless!
So you're not going to follow your team during the stretch run/playoffs? Are you not an actual fan? If not, why are you so livid about a sport that you'll be "done with" at its climactic point of the season?
Because I love sports and like to see things done the right way. This was an opportunity to do what was right without regard to money, playoffs, etc. and it was missed. I am at best a casual MLB observer and honestly in the past have pulled for the Rangers about as much as the Astros. No more. Sorry.

Now if this was Aggie baseball, like Hyman and the TCU crap two seasons ago, then I get passionate.
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I still don't get how giving the Astros 3 MLB games in late September helps with the flood victims.
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Lt. Joe Bookman said:

I still don't get how giving the Astros 3 MLB games in late September helps with the flood victims.
How did the sips doing what they did after Bonfire benefit the victims? There is right and there is wrong.
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dermdoc said:

Lt. Joe Bookman said:

I still don't get how giving the Astros 3 MLB games in late September helps with the flood victims.
How did the sips doing what they did after Bonfire benefit the victims? There is right and there is wrong.
How are those in any way related...?
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dermdoc said:

RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

And I am done with MLB now anyway as it is cfb season. Flying to LA tomorrow to BTHO UCLA! God bless!
So you're not going to follow your team during the stretch run/playoffs? Are you not an actual fan? If not, why are you so livid about a sport that you'll be "done with" at its climactic point of the season?
Because I love sports and like to see things done the right way. This was an opportunity to do what was right without regard to money, playoffs, etc. and it was missed. I am at best a casual MLB observer and honestly in the past have pulled for the Rangers about as much as the Astros. No more. Sorry.

Now if this was Aggie baseball, like Hyman and the TCU crap two seasons ago, then I get passionate.
Both sides missed an opportunity. But, if you like seeing things done the right way, then surely you'll hold Reid Ryan to that standard and be critical of his public airing of what should have been private matters.
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RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

RetiredAg said:

dermdoc said:

And if I was a Rangers season ticket holder, I would be proud I was not inconvienced. The nerve of that.
Can I ask you one thing? Do you have any problem w/ Reid Ryan going public with the back-and-forth between the two franchises? Given the stress and emotion of what was going on, do you have any issue w/ him starting a fire that didn't need to even exist?
I would have gone public also as I would have been shocked and pissed that the Rangers refused to switch series given the circumstances. You called me out for "assuming the worst about the Rangers", I will not call you out for assuming the worst about Reid.
I'm not assuming the worst. He ran to the media and made this all public knowledge. I don't know why he did it. I'm not assuming his motives. But his actions did create an unnecessary firestorm that is in no way constructive.
But he would not have gone public except to praise the Rangers if they had accepted the first offer to switch series, correct? The refusal of the first offer was what started the whole thing. When a neighbor is down, you don't base decisions on the bottom line imho.
There's no need to go public w/ any of the details of the decision-making process. There's precedent for not switching series. Whether you think JD was wrong for rejecting their offer, or Ryan was wrong for rejecting the Rangers offer, can you not see that Ryan running to the media was unnecessary and unbecoming of a professional front office?
I think the biggest "wrong" was when the Rangers refused to switch series. As I have stated before, when a neighbor is down you walk the extra mile, agree, and do not quibble due to issues like money, playoffs, etc. But that is just me. You obviously think differently. But Ryan's actions, whether right or wrong never would have happened if the Rangers had accepted.
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