***** Official 2017 TEX vs HOU Trash Talking Thread *****

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In reply to J Peterman • 10:12p, 8/28/17
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Milwaukee's Miller Park once again will serve as a neutral site to help Major League Baseball solve a weather-related problem.

After a day of haggling between the Houston Astros, Chicago Cubs, MLB and the players union, it was announced Saturday night that the Astros and Cubs will play games tonight and Monday at Miller Park. The teams were supposed to play this weekend in Houston, but Hurricane Ike changed those plans.
Flexible maybe like the Cubs were after Hurricane Ike?
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In reply to mhayden • 10:12p, 8/28/17
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And how is that the Rangers being generous when you would be replacing the Astros home games? So the Astros lose 3 home games and then the Rangers gain 3 home games and are nice enough to donate the money from those extra home games. Your logic is amazing.

And BTW, the Crane is already donating $4 million.
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In reply to mhayden • 10:14p, 8/28/17
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The Texas Rangers offered to give proceeds from a 3 game series in Arlington this week to the hurricane victims.

Instead of taking those proceeds, Houston opted to fly their team 1100 miles to Tampa Bay to not give another team any kind of home field advantage.

Houston front office valued home-field advantage in 3 games of a 162 game MLB season over proceeds that would help hurricane victims.

Bravo Houston front office. You certainly have shown us all what priorities we should have during trying times.


They are getting proceeds in tampa....the rangers could have helped....instead chose to help themselves
So the astros said no thanks we'll just play the games somehwere else
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In reply to mhayden • 10:15p, 8/28/17
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The Texas Rangers offered to give proceeds from a 3 game series in Arlington this week to the hurricane victims.

Instead of taking those proceeds, Houston opted to fly their team 1100 miles to Tampa Bay to not give another team any kind of home field advantage.

Houston front office valued home-field advantage in 3 games of a 162 game MLB season over proceeds that would help hurricane victims.

Bravo Houston front office. You certainly have shown us all what priorities we should have during trying times.
Keep spinning it all you want, but what may have been the "logical" solution is not always the most compassionate or does it have the best optics. The Rangers can cry about not wanting to screw their fans and say they did all they could, but it's too late... the narrative is off and running. And when your 5-7 games out of the race by that September homestand and attendance plummets, you'll look even more like *******s.

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In reply to CampingAg • 10:15p, 8/28/17
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It was a GM trying to do what's best for his team.

Exactly. You're proving our point.

Do you think the GM of a team should voluntarily put his team at a scheduling disadvantage because a catastrophe hits another city and makes another teams venue unplayable?


100% YES
its called being a decent human being, which apparently neither the rangers nor their fans know anything ablut

What makes Jon Daniels not a decent human being because of this? Would flood waters have dissipated, clouds have parted, and a dove flown down from heaven if JD would've agreed to swap series and the Astros had three more home games a month from now?

Gambo, you gonna answer this one?
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10:15p, 8/28/17
Y'all are blowing this WAY out of proportion.
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10:15p, 8/28/17
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But thats ok....keep defending the trashy move
The rangers are already being skewered nationally over it
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In reply to AggieBand2004 • 10:16p, 8/28/17
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Lots of talk about inferiority complexes, coming from a team whose last meaningful August games happened when Napster was still warm in its grave


Actually, this game isn't meaningful...Astros are up by 13.5 games....oh, and they didn't have to spend any money to do as all are home grown and will be a force for a while...so I suppose the rangers will be the ones 10 years from now that wouldn't have been in a worth while August games since before Harvey
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In reply to J Peterman • 10:18p, 8/28/17
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Muffin Top 04 said:
AggieBand2004 said:
Lots of talk about inferiority complexes, coming from a team whose last meaningful August games happened when Napster was still warm in its grave


Actually, this game isn't meaningful...Astros are up by 13.5 games....oh, and they didn't have to spend any money to do as all are home grown and will be a force for a while...so I suppose the rangers will be the ones 10 years from now that wouldn't have been in a worth while August games since before Harvey
If it's not meaningful then why are y'all still *****ing about where it's played.
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In reply to CampingAg • 10:19p, 8/28/17
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Sure I'll answer. Obviously none of those things would have happened, but it would have shown compassion to a city that has endured unimaginable loss over the last for days. It would have shown that they hand some modicum of decency and humanity to sacrifice a little in order to help a little....it may not be a lot in the grand scheme of things, but in terms of morale to fans it would have been huge
Instead the jerk saw an opportunity to take advantage of the situation and gift the rangers 3 home games

I'm glad the astros did not take his 'selfless' offer of help
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In reply to Ag2012 • 10:19p, 8/28/17
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Muffin Top 04 said:
AggieBand2004 said:
Lots of talk about inferiority complexes, coming from a team whose last meaningful August games happened when Napster was still warm in its grave


Actually, this game isn't meaningful...Astros are up by 13.5 games....oh, and they didn't have to spend any money to do as all are home grown and will be a force for a while...so I suppose the rangers will be the ones 10 years from now that wouldn't have been in a worth while August games since before Harvey
If it's not meaningful then why are y'all still *****ing about where it's played.

That's what I said pages back. They've got the AL West and likely top seed already taken care of.
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10:20p, 8/28/17
Homefield advantage isn't important when it's about Texas fans not being able to attend the series announced on 24 hours notice (and the 60,000+ fans that already bought tickets for a series in late September).

But homefield advantage is important enough for Houston fans to cry about losing 3 games of it.

Logic at it's finest.
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In reply to gambochaman • 10:20p, 8/28/17
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In reply to Ag2012 • 10:20p, 8/28/17
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Bc as a fan I would like to be able to go to the Astros Rangers game and not have to pay $1,000 to go to Tampa
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In reply to J Peterman • 10:20p, 8/28/17
Muffin Top 04 said:
AggieBand2004 said:
Lots of talk about inferiority complexes, coming from a team whose last meaningful August games happened when Napster was still warm in its grave


Actually, this game isn't meaningful...Astros are up by 13.5 games....oh, and they didn't have to spend any money to do as all are home grown and will be a force for a while...so I suppose the rangers will be the ones 10 years from now that wouldn't have been in a worth while August games since before Harvey


Holy crap...even after 2 edits I still nearly had a seizure tying to read this mess.
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 10:21p, 8/28/17
About the only intelligent thing an Astros fan has said in this thread is that, yes, Daniels does end up looking like the bad guy in this.

Granted, it's due to a bunch of people that don't actually know how to read anything but a headline and can't do any kind of critical thinking for themselves.

But yes, you are correct.
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10:21p, 8/28/17
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Why are the Rangers wanting to damage the integrity of the game by getting 3 more home games in a Wild Card Race in which every other team would only play 81 games?

And spare me about the Astros "actually" being the home team.
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In reply to J Peterman • 10:22p, 8/28/17
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Muffin Top 04 said:
Bc as a fan I would like to be able to go to the Astros Rangers game and not have to pay $1,000 to go to Tampa
Its not that expensive to drive to Arlington
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 10:24p, 8/28/17
irish pete ag06 said:
Why are the Rangers wanting to damage the integrity of the game by getting 3 more home games in a Wild Card Race in which every other team would only play 81 games?

And spare me about the Astros "actually" being the home team.

I've yet to see anything from the Texas front office or players where they are upset about having to go to Tampa for this game. They have no problem playing 81 road games.

Not sure why this somehow turned from Texas offering to help Houston by hosting into Texas demanding extra home games. Seems like some of you are reading into this what you want.
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10:25p, 8/28/17
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Look...no one will agree on this...it's like politics. Professional sports is 100% about the fans....and the Houston fans are the ones getting screwed here. The Rangers front office did the screwing. If I drive to Arlington as the home team can I have my 2nd row field box ticket that I paid for already? Probably not.
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In reply to J Peterman • 10:26p, 8/28/17
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I'm very sorry that the Rangers front office caused Hurricane Harvey.
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In reply to J Peterman • 10:28p, 8/28/17
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Look...no one will agree on this...it's like politics. Professional sports is 100% about the fans....and the Houston fans are the ones getting screwed here. The Rangers front office did the screwing. If I drive to Arlington as the home team can I have my 2nd row field box ticket that I paid for already? Probably not.

So you're screwed because you can't use your 2nd row field box ticket in Houston that you paid for already.

Yet you can't grasp why the fan that bought 2nd row field box tickets for the late September game in Arlington that now can't go to the game in less than 24 hours in August is getting screwed?
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In reply to J Peterman • 10:28p, 8/28/17
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The Rangers front office Hurricane Harvey and a Reid Ryan decision to play 1200 miles away from their fan base did the screwing.
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In reply to mhayden • 10:29p, 8/28/17
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free_mhayden said:
irish pete ag06 said:
Why are the Rangers wanting to damage the integrity of the game by getting 3 more home games in a Wild Card Race in which every other team would only play 81 games?

And spare me about the Astros "actually" being the home team.

I've yet to see anything from the Texas front office or players where they are upset about having to go to Tampa for this game. They have no problem playing 81 road games.

Not sure why this somehow turned from Texas offering to help Houston by hosting into Texas demanding extra home games. Seems like some of you are reading into this what you want.

Because they blindly took their cue from Reid Ryan, and are choosing to view the Rangers front office as a bunch of Snidely Whiplashes
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In reply to gambochaman • 10:30p, 8/28/17
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Sure I'll answer. Obviously none of those things would have happened, but it would have shown compassion to a city that has endured unimaginable loss over the last for days. It would have shown that they hand some modicum of decency and humanity to sacrifice a little in order to help a little....it may not be a lot in the grand scheme of things, but in terms of morale to fans it would have been huge
Instead the jerk saw an opportunity to take advantage of the situation and gift the rangers 3 home games

I'm glad the astros did not take his 'selfless' offer of help

He didn't see an opportunity to take advantage of anything - he didn't want to lose his September home games. In the grand scheme of things, where three baseball games are played a month from now has no bearing on a city recovering from a disaster like this. It's more or less meaningless, which is why I agree with the decision and don't have a problem with it.

I'll be willing to bet no MLB team will donate more money to the relief efforts than the Rangers will. That's what's important in a situation like this.

I'm NOT going to willingly put my baseball team at a scheduling disadvantage because of something that happened in another city, affecting a different team's venue, since it has no real bearing on helping with recovery efforts. I WILL do whatever I can to actually help in the recovery efforts, whether it be giving financially, etc.
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In reply to mhayden • 10:30p, 8/28/17
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free_mhayden said:
Muffin Top 04 said:
Look...no one will agree on this...it's like politics. Professional sports is 100% about the fans....and the Houston fans are the ones getting screwed here. The Rangers front office did the screwing. If I drive to Arlington as the home team can I have my 2nd row field box ticket that I paid for already? Probably not.

So you're screwed because you can't use your 2nd row field box ticket in Houston that you paid for already.

Yet you can't grasp why the fan that bought 2nd row field box tickets for the late September game in Arlington that now can't go to the game in less than 24 hours in August is getting screwed?

Don't try and understand the modern day victim mentality. You'll get nowhere
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In reply to Ag2012 • 10:33p, 8/28/17
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I'm very sorry that the Rangers front office caused Hurricane Harvey.

Very kindly...Fck you and all the other POSs that blue starred this crap.

This is a low blow and I thought even Ranger scum was better than that.

You guys are proving that Lucky and AP are the only Ranger fans worth a damn.
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10:34p, 8/28/17
The one thing that I don't understand in all of this is how the Rangers are being classless and scum. Both teams couldn't come to an agreement on playing games/swapping series in Arlington on a 24 hour notice. Instead of driving 20 miles to the Ballpark from Dallas they fly all the way to the Florida to play a series that will barely have anyone there generating little revenue which could be used for disaster relief.
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In reply to J Peterman • 10:36p, 8/28/17
Muffin Top 04 said:
Look...no one will agree on this...it's like politics. Professional sports is 100% about the fans....and the Houston fans are the ones getting screwed here. The Rangers front office did the screwing. If I drive to Arlington as the home team can I have my 2nd row field box ticket that I paid for already? Probably not.


Look. I don't agree with what the Rangers did but you are wrong.

Mother Nature screwed Houston fans. It's a terrible situation for everyone. If your baseball tickets or the Astros are your top priority right now then you need to take a step back re-evaluate things. Truth is, is baseball is not important right now. There are people who have lost everything, fighting for their lives, waiting to be rescued at this very moment. But go ahead, let JD and the Texas Rangers be the scape goat if it makes you feel better.
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10:41p, 8/28/17
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This is what it comes down to:

The Astros got put at a scheduling disadvantage due to Harvey.

Astros think the Rangers should then put themselves at a scheduling disadvantage because of the Astros being at a scheduling disadvantage because of Harvey.

Sure, it'd be a nice thing to do, but since the location of three baseball games almost a month away is really meaningless in regards to recovery efforts, the Rangers did not want to put themselves at a scheduling disadvantage.
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In reply to AggieBand2004 • 10:43p, 8/28/17
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AggieBand2004 said:
free_mhayden said:
irish pete ag06 said:
Why are the Rangers wanting to damage the integrity of the game by getting 3 more home games in a Wild Card Race in which every other team would only play 81 games?

And spare me about the Astros "actually" being the home team.

I've yet to see anything from the Texas front office or players where they are upset about having to go to Tampa for this game. They have no problem playing 81 road games.

Not sure why this somehow turned from Texas offering to help Houston by hosting into Texas demanding extra home games. Seems like some of you are reading into this what you want.

Because they blindly took their cue from Reid Ryan, and are choosing to view the Rangers front office as a bunch of Snidely Whiplashes



Just us. We are the only ones. All national media thinks Rangers were totally logical and compassionate. Only Astros fans feel this way about the Rangers decision.
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10:43p, 8/28/17
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All this really shows is how incompetent the Rangers are at PR. They're not making the playoffs this season. They're just not. Six teams to jump in the final month. This is the perfect time to make a kind gesture and gain PR from this without really affecting their competitive situation too negatively.

One move of goodwill towards another Texas city would buy them a lot more in value than what they would lose "hurting" their fans. How much positive publicity and brand growth comes from throwing a bone? What about people affected by the floods outside of Houston who weren't necessarily fans of either team? People remember things like this.

The reason JD comes off as the bad guy is because of his short-sightedness. Competitively, I completely understand why both of the teams did what they did. As a business exec, I don't get what the Rangers did. Good leaders can judge the mood and timing of a situation, and JD completely misread it.

No one who was just decimated in Houston is driving to Arlington for a baseball game. He knows exactly what that crowd will look like in all 6 games, and then tried to control PR with the "but we'll donate money" bit. I'm sure they'll learn from this, but as far as current public sentiment, it's not a great look.
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In reply to AggieBand2004 • 10:44p, 8/28/17
It's not even the victim mentality -- the fans that are trying to associate a terrible tragedy with why their team isn't getting 3 games of homefield advantage in a 162 game baseball season are downright shameful.

A Texas team offered you their homefield for 3 games and all the proceeds that went along with it to go towards hurricane relief.

Your front office wanted more and instead flew the team 1100 miles to Tampa where they'll get far less proceeds from a non-State-of-Texas crowd.

Your own front office just displayed what was more important to them -- so drop the implication that this is such a slap in the face to hurricane victims because your front office apparently valued home field advantage above them as well.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 10:44p, 8/28/17
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You don't have to lecture me on that...I have a newborn with no formula and can't leave because my neighborhood has 3 ft of water. I had to send out an sos for him and thank god a fellow Houstonian saw my wife's Facebook post and took a kayak to my neighborhood to bring me formula. Trust me I am worried about a lot. Texags and sports are a good distraction right now. Frankly I can't wait for Sunday to watch my Ags to take my mind off my family in Katy that are on the second floor of there homes with no AC that I can't get to, the repairs my house will need, the days of cleanup ahead and all that stuff. Trust me, baseball does matter....as odd as that may seem...:but not as much as Sunday matters and I hope the Ags choke **** the Bruins and do it for the Aggie Harvey victims.
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10:47p, 8/28/17
And that's the last i'll say on it because this really is the crappy side of sports -- when fanbases try to milk a tragedy as a reason why they were screwed and/or another team is "classless".

It's a terrible tragedy and it's a baseball game.
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