All you've proven here is your reading comprehension is nonexistentCorpsAg11 said:
Here you go gigem1223...Ag2012 said:
Carlos Gomez is having a better season than your All Star RF who y'all want to bench and you think Rangers fans should feel bad about that? That's interesting. Want to play compare the Carlos's next? Because one of them has a -0.5 WAR...
We have 3 CFs better than Gomez. Such a fun season...
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Ok? Carlos Gomez has been playing really well, he's a blast to watch and we got him for a bargain price. According to Fangraphs the going rate for 1 unit of WAR is $8mm. At $11.4mm for 1.4 WAR before the ASB he's already earned his whole years salary. Compared to Beltran (who I also mentioned and you conveniently omitted), who is getting paid $16mm this year and is still at -0.3 WAR, it looks like we let the right Carlos walk.CorpsAg11 said:
Doesn't make that quote any less embarrassing, considering how huge the disparity between the two guys is now... I knew it would be the case.
And that gap will only get larger by seasons end...
Wait i thought the comparison was to springer? Oh right you omitted that!!
Arguably the only big roster difference between last year's Astros and this year's Astros is the veteran leadership we acquired (McCann, Beltran) and the locker room cancer we got rid of (Gomez). But hey i guess y'all got the last laugh. **checks standings** You know what, i take that back!!
Arguably the only big roster difference between last year's Astros and this year's Astros is the veteran leadership we acquired (McCann, Beltran) and the locker room cancer we got rid of (Gomez). But hey i guess y'all got the last laugh. **checks standings** You know what, i take that back!!
Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Jake's...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).
The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.
The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.
friscodick said:
Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Rangers...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).
The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.
FIFY.
Quick pulse on the Arlingtonites, do you think you make the playoffs?
Huh, I guess I didn't realize y'all's .240 hitter was moonlighting as the hitting coach. Funny how you guys are all about advanced metrics until they don't advance your argument and then it's right back to anecdotes and intangibles.friscodick said:
Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Jake's...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).
The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.
You mean the guy with 20 years of MLB experience, once one of the best 5 tool players around, and one of the purest switch hitters to ever play the game. Yeah, just a crappy .240 hitter with nothing to offer the young guys.Ag2012 said:Huh, I guess I didn't realize y'all's .240 hitter was moonlighting as the hitting coach. Funny how you guys are all about advanced metrics until they don't advance your argument and then it's right back to anecdotes and intangibles.friscodick said:
Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Jake's...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).
The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.
We have one of those, too. His name is Adrian Beltre
Please do go on. I was told all last season that clubhouse chemistry, veteran leadership and response to adversity were just make believe things that must be false because they aren't a statistical category on Fangraphs.friscodick said:You mean the guy with 20 years of MLB experience, once one of the best 5 tool players around, and one of the purest switch hitters to ever play the game. Yeah, just a crappy .240 hitter with nothing to offer the young guys.Ag2012 said:Huh, I guess I didn't realize y'all's .240 hitter was moonlighting as the hitting coach. Funny how you guys are all about advanced metrics until they don't advance your argument and then it's right back to anecdotes and intangibles.friscodick said:
Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Jake's...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).
The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.
There must have been some sabermetric advancement this offseason that made those legitimate factors to baseball success.
Congratulations? So you should know what a valuable presence that is...AccidentProne said:
We have one of those, too. His name is Adrian Beltre
Buck Compton said:Congratulations? So you should know what a valuable presence that is...AccidentProne said:
We have one of those, too. His name is Adrian Beltre
Right. It wasn't an attack on friscodick. Don't be so sensitive
You're just being an imbecile on purpose.No one ever told you that.Ag2012 said:Please do go on. I was told all last season that clubhouse chemistry, veteran leadership and response to adversity were just make believe things that must be false because they aren't a statistical category on Fangraphs.friscodick said:You mean the guy with 20 years of MLB experience, once one of the best 5 tool players around, and one of the purest switch hitters to ever play the game. Yeah, just a crappy .240 hitter with nothing to offer the young guys.Ag2012 said:Huh, I guess I didn't realize y'all's .240 hitter was moonlighting as the hitting coach. Funny how you guys are all about advanced metrics until they don't advance your argument and then it's right back to anecdotes and intangibles.friscodick said:
Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Jake's...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).
The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.
There must have been some sabermetric advancement this offseason that made those legitimate factors to baseball success.
The good thing about leadership and chemistry is when it's true, the effects can be seen in stats (even the basic stats). And when the guys in the clubhouse publicly credit Beltran as the driving force behind their very clear statistical improvements.... you listen to them. The goal is and always has been to pinpoint the cause of statistical trends and even anomalies. If the Rangers had such a good clubhouse, it would show in the stats.
The longer you stay ignorant of advanced statistics, the more the game will pass you by. Be thankful your front office isn't as short-sighted.
if you really want to bring BA into the argument, Beltran (with that .240 batting average) has helped our younger guys with their plate discipline so much, it improved our TEAM BA from 24th last season to 1st this season.Ag2012 said:Huh, I guess I didn't realize y'all's .240 hitter was moonlighting as the hitting coach. Funny how you guys are all about advanced metrics until they don't advance your argument and then it's right back to anecdotes and intangibles.friscodick said:
Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Jake's...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).
The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.
yep. He helps your young guys so much your team's batting average dropped from 6th last season to 27th this year.AccidentProne said:
We have one of those, too. His name is Adrian Beltre
Nope.Ag2012 said:Please do go on. I was told all last season that clubhouse chemistry, veteran leadership and response to adversity were just make believe things that must be false because they aren't a statistical category on Fangraphs.friscodick said:You mean the guy with 20 years of MLB experience, once one of the best 5 tool players around, and one of the purest switch hitters to ever play the game. Yeah, just a crappy .240 hitter with nothing to offer the young guys.Ag2012 said:Huh, I guess I didn't realize y'all's .240 hitter was moonlighting as the hitting coach. Funny how you guys are all about advanced metrics until they don't advance your argument and then it's right back to anecdotes and intangibles.friscodick said:
Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Jake's...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).
The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.
There must have been some sabermetric advancement this offseason that made those legitimate factors to baseball success.
You were told all last year by me that your team was the luckiest, most fortunate, whatever you want to call it team when it came to sequencing and cluster luck. The Rangers outplayed their Pythagorean by 13 games which is the highest since the 2009 Baltimore Orioles outplayed theirs by 11.
You were told by me and many other "saber nerds" that out playing your Pythagorean by that much of a margin has never in the history of baseball been proven to be a repeatable skill.
So, last year I said multiple times that the Rangers were the luckiest .500 team in recent MLB history. Welp, your team is proving me right. So far this year you have a +28 run differential. Through game 74 last year you had a +38 run differential. Your 3 games below your pythagorean this year.
So essentially through 74 games, pythagorean record for the Rangers
2016: 39-35
2017: 40-34
This is the same team minus the historic luck. Oh and the Rangers are 4-12 in 1-run games this year. So you Rangers fans have that regression to look forward to... or should I remind you, sometimes regression doesn't come in 1 season.
AccidentProne said:
We have one of those, too. His name is Adrian Beltre
And yet you trot out two guys fairly consistently Batting below .200 and soon to be joined Odor whose BA is plummeting.
JABQ04 said:AccidentProne said:
We have one of those, too. His name is Adrian Beltre
And yet you trot out two guys fairly consistently Batting below .200 and soon to be joined Odor whose BA is plummeting.
I assume you're talking about Gallo and Napoli? Gallo has yet to play a full season in the majors, and you can't deny that his ABs are much more competitive than last season. Napoli has raised his BA about 100 points since the start of May after having a historically slow start to the season
Except that this isn't the same team. We lost Desmond and Moreland in the offseason, as well as Colby Lewis who was a key cog in the rotation for a lot of the year. We were without our HOF third baseman for 2 months, we've been without Hamels and a pretty productive Carlos Gomez for a couple of months as well. The bullpen has been riddled with injuries and a lot of the batting order was hitting uncharacteristically poorly early on. It doesn't take an advanced sabermetrician to predict that a team riddled with injuries and replacing key producers would struggle early on. The team is getting healthier and playing much better ball.Quote:
This is the same team minus the historic luck. Oh and the Rangers are 4-12 in 1-run games this year. So you Rangers fans have that regression to look forward to... or should I remind you, sometimes regression doesn't come in 1 season.
Also I don't give you **** for talking sabermetrics, I give you **** for being such a ****** about it. You act like you're the only person who knows what xFIP or wRC+ is and you pat yourself on the back every time you bring it up. The best part though is how you clowns ignore sabermetrics when it's convenient, e.g. discussing Carlos Gomez since joining the Rangers.
Nm
Ag2012 said:Except that this isn't the same team. We lost Desmond and Moreland in the offseason, as well as Colby Lewis who was a key cog in the rotation for a lot of the year. We were without our HOF third baseman for 2 months, we've been without Hamels and a pretty productive Carlos Gomez for a couple of months as well. The bullpen has been riddled with injuries and a lot of the batting order was hitting uncharacteristically poorly early on. It doesn't take an advanced sabermetrician to predict that a team riddled with injuries and replacing key producers would struggle early on. The team is getting healthier and playing much better ball.Quote:
This is the same team minus the historic luck. Oh and the Rangers are 4-12 in 1-run games this year. So you Rangers fans have that regression to look forward to... or should I remind you, sometimes regression doesn't come in 1 season.
Also I don't give you **** for talking sabermetrics, I give you **** for being such a ****** about it. You act like you're the only person who knows what xFIP or wRC+ is and you pat yourself on the back every time you bring it up. The best part though is how you clowns ignore sabermetrics when it's convenient, e.g. discussing Carlos Gomez since joining the Rangers.
I'm sorry that numerical facts trigger you so much.
Every team is different personnel wise from year to year. When it comes to aggregate runs, they are very close.
Congrats on Carlos Gomez! Yal really won that deal.
He can sit his ass at home this fall and watch his former team play.
Like clockwork.Quote:
I'm sorry that numerical facts trigger you so much.
Ag2012 said:Like clockwork.Quote:
I'm sorry that numerical facts trigger you so much.
Just as much as you pounding your chest about Gomez. Literally, every time he does something good in your thread.
City of Houston hates Gomez
And he hates us back
F him and his horse he rode out on
And he hates us back
F him and his horse he rode out on
astros4545 said:
City of Houston hates Gomez
And he hates us back
F him and his horse he rode out on
And the town he went to
Oh wow people are getting excited on our thread when a Ranger plays well? The nerve!irish pete ag06 said:Ag2012 said:Like clockwork.Quote:
I'm sorry that numerical facts trigger you so much.
Just as much as you pounding your chest about Gomez. Literally, every time he does something good in your thread.
aggie1906 said:
Quick pulse on the Arlingtonites, do you think you make the playoffs?
A bunch of responses but not pertaining to this. I think that's my answer. I'm a little surprised. I fully expected a few of y'all with your fingers in your ears going "LA LA LA I can't hear you" to say you're still in it.
Get angrier...you can't.Ag2012 said:Except that this isn't the same team. We lost Desmond and Moreland in the offseason, as well as Colby Lewis who was a key cog in the rotation for a lot of the year. We were without our HOF third baseman for 2 months, we've been without Hamels and a pretty productive Carlos Gomez for a couple of months as well. The bullpen has been riddled with injuries and a lot of the batting order was hitting uncharacteristically poorly early on. It doesn't take an advanced sabermetrician to predict that a team riddled with injuries and replacing key producers would struggle early on. The team is getting healthier and playing much better ball.Quote:
This is the same team minus the historic luck. Oh and the Rangers are 4-12 in 1-run games this year. So you Rangers fans have that regression to look forward to... or should I remind you, sometimes regression doesn't come in 1 season.
Also I don't give you **** for talking sabermetrics, I give you **** for being such a ****** about it. You act like you're the only person who knows what xFIP or wRC+ is and you pat yourself on the back every time you bring it up. The best part though is how you clowns ignore sabermetrics when it's convenient, e.g. discussing Carlos Gomez since joining the Rangers.
Really sorry to hear about all the injuries riddling the Rangers...meanwhile the Astros, especially our starting rotation, has been a model of excellent health. Oh wait.
I guess we can't use that as an excuse as to why we're 27 games over .500.
I guess we can't use that as an excuse as to why we're 27 games over .500.
1906 moron, yes, the Rangers will be in the playoffs.
F"N Book it.
F"N Book it.
Street_Cred_Norm said:
1906 moron, yes, the Rangers will be in the playoffs.
F"N Book it.
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They do have the 4th highest run differential (likely third after tonight) in the AL. According to Astros fans in 2016, that makes them a playoff team.
Is street cred still waiting for that collapse ?
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