Wait i thought the comparison was to springer? Oh right you omitted that!!

Arguably the only big roster difference between last year's Astros and this year's Astros is the veteran leadership we acquired (McCann, Beltran) and the locker room cancer we got rid of (Gomez). But hey i guess y'all got the last laugh. **checks standings** You know what, i take that back!!

Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Jake's...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).

The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.

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Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Rangers...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).

The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.

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FIFY.

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Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Jake's...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).

The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.

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Huh, I guess I didn't realize y'all's .240 hitter was moonlighting as the hitting coach. Funny how you guys are all about advanced metrics until they don't advance your argument and then it's right back to anecdotes and intangibles.

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You mean the guy with 20 years of MLB experience, once one of the best 5 tool players around, and one of the purest switch hitters to ever play the game. Yeah, just a crappy .240 hitter with nothing to offer the young guys.

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We have one of those, too. His name is Adrian Beltre

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yep. He helps your young guys so much your team's batting average dropped from 6th last season to 27th this year.

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Beltran hasn't been as good at the plate as we hoped but you can't measure the mentoring he's provided to all the young guys (and we have plenty). The plate discipline our team shows now compared to the last few years is night and day (we used to be a team full of Jake's...HR's or strikeouts and that's not a winning recipe).

The only thing Gomez mentored anyone on was how to bat flip and act like an a$$.

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Huh, I guess I didn't realize y'all's .240 hitter was moonlighting as the hitting coach. Funny how you guys are all about advanced metrics until they don't advance your argument and then it's right back to anecdotes and intangibles.

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You mean the guy with 20 years of MLB experience, once one of the best 5 tool players around, and one of the purest switch hitters to ever play the game. Yeah, just a crappy .240 hitter with nothing to offer the young guys.

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Please do go on. I was told all last season that clubhouse chemistry, veteran leadership and response to adversity were just make believe things that must be false because they aren't a statistical category on Fangraphs.

There must have been some sabermetric advancement this offseason that made those legitimate factors to baseball success.

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Nope.

You were told all last year by me that your team was the luckiest, most fortunate, whatever you want to call it team when it came to sequencing and cluster luck. The Rangers outplayed their Pythagorean by 13 games which is the highest since the 2009 Baltimore Orioles outplayed theirs by 11.

You were told by me and many other "saber nerds" that out playing your Pythagorean by that much of a margin has never in the history of baseball been proven to be a repeatable skill.

So, last year I said multiple times that the Rangers were the luckiest .500 team in recent MLB history. Welp, your team is proving me right. So far this year you have a +28 run differential. Through game 74 last year you had a +38 run differential. Your 3 games below your pythagorean this year.

So essentially through 74 games, pythagorean record for the Rangers
2016: 39-35
2017: 40-34

This is the same team minus the historic luck. Oh and the Rangers are 4-12 in 1-run games this year. So you Rangers fans have that regression to look forward to... or should I remind you, sometimes regression doesn't come in 1 season.

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We have one of those, too. His name is Adrian Beltre

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And yet you trot out two guys fairly consistently Batting below .200 and soon to be joined Odor whose BA is plummeting.

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This is the same team minus the historic luck. Oh and the Rangers are 4-12 in 1-run games this year. So you Rangers fans have that regression to look forward to... or should I remind you, sometimes regression doesn't come in 1 season.

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Except that this isn't the same team. We lost Desmond and Moreland in the offseason, as well as Colby Lewis who was a key cog in the rotation for a lot of the year. We were without our HOF third baseman for 2 months, we've been without Hamels and a pretty productive Carlos Gomez for a couple of months as well. The bullpen has been riddled with injuries and a lot of the batting order was hitting uncharacteristically poorly early on. It doesn't take an advanced sabermetrician to predict that a team riddled with injuries and replacing key producers would struggle early on. The team is getting healthier and playing much better ball.

Also I don't give you **** for talking sabermetrics, I give you **** for being such a ****** about it. You act like you're the only person who knows what xFIP or wRC+ is and you pat yourself on the back every time you bring it up. The best part though is how you clowns ignore sabermetrics when it's convenient, e.g. discussing Carlos Gomez since joining the Rangers.

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This is the same team minus the historic luck. Oh and the Rangers are 4-12 in 1-run games this year. So you Rangers fans have that regression to look forward to... or should I remind you, sometimes regression doesn't come in 1 season.

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Except that this isn't the same team. We lost Desmond and Moreland in the offseason, as well as Colby Lewis who was a key cog in the rotation for a lot of the year. We were without our HOF third baseman for 2 months, we've been without Hamels and a pretty productive Carlos Gomez for a couple of months as well. The bullpen has been riddled with injuries and a lot of the batting order was hitting uncharacteristically poorly early on. It doesn't take an advanced sabermetrician to predict that a team riddled with injuries and replacing key producers would struggle early on. The team is getting healthier and playing much better ball.

Also I don't give you **** for talking sabermetrics, I give you **** for being such a ****** about it. You act like you're the only person who knows what xFIP or wRC+ is and you pat yourself on the back every time you bring it up. The best part though is how you clowns ignore sabermetrics when it's convenient, e.g. discussing Carlos Gomez since joining the Rangers.

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I'm sorry that numerical facts trigger you so much.

Every team is different personnel wise from year to year. When it comes to aggregate runs, they are very close.

Congrats on Carlos Gomez! Yal really won that deal.

He can sit his ass at home this fall and watch his former team play.

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Like clockwork.

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Just as much as you pounding your chest about Gomez. Literally, every time he does something good in your thread.

City of Houston hates Gomez

And he hates us back

F him and his horse he rode out on

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City of Houston hates Gomez

And he hates us back

F him and his horse he rode out on

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And the town he went to

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This is the same team minus the historic luck. Oh and the Rangers are 4-12 in 1-run games this year. So you Rangers fans have that regression to look forward to... or should I remind you, sometimes regression doesn't come in 1 season.

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Except that this isn't the same team. We lost Desmond and Moreland in the offseason, as well as Colby Lewis who was a key cog in the rotation for a lot of the year. We were without our HOF third baseman for 2 months, we've been without Hamels and a pretty productive Carlos Gomez for a couple of months as well. The bullpen has been riddled with injuries and a lot of the batting order was hitting uncharacteristically poorly early on. It doesn't take an advanced sabermetrician to predict that a team riddled with injuries and replacing key producers would struggle early on. The team is getting healthier and playing much better ball.

Also I don't give you **** for talking sabermetrics, I give you **** for being such a ****** about it. You act like you're the only person who knows what xFIP or wRC+ is and you pat yourself on the back every time you bring it up. The best part though is how you clowns ignore sabermetrics when it's convenient, e.g. discussing Carlos Gomez since joining the Rangers.

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Get angrier...you can't.

Really sorry to hear about all the injuries riddling the Rangers...meanwhile the Astros, especially our starting rotation, has been a model of excellent health. Oh wait.

I guess we can't use that as an excuse as to why we're 27 games over .500.

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1906 moron, yes, the Rangers will be in the playoffs.

F"N Book it.

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It's so beautiful. Could Jon Daniels be my hero and be a BUYER at the deadline again?! I thought it was only a dream a few weeks ago.