What will Ranger fans be saying about the rotation on 12/22/2012?

537 Views | 8 Replies | Last: 14 yr ago by Mosquito Hunters
Mosquito Hunters
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Today we are all trying to figure out who slots where, as well is what to do with the 7 starters for 5 spots.

There is question about who will be the opening day guy, and who will even fill out the rotation. People are optimistic about Holland, but still skeptical because of his inconsistancy. The popular opinion is Ogando is a 2 pitch pitcher and needs to go to the bullpen.

Where will we be one year from today? Here's my thoughts...

I think Darvish will be our "#1" because of the investment we will feel obliged. However, I think he will have a very good year and prove to be everything he was hyped to be. A lot of Ks (8+ per 9 innings) and a solid walk rate around 3 per 9 innings and a 5 WAR pitcher. Holland will be an all-star and be an established #2 (not on our staff, a legit #2) with an increased K rate and lower walk rate. He keeps the ball on the ground and doesn't gibe up the long ball like he used to. He gets hurt when he walks people (and especially when he strings walks together) and he will finally limit those. Lewis will have earned a nice 3 year contract at around $15 mil a year somewhere, with a great postseason resume. Alexi Ogando and Michael Pineda will forever linked as similar pitchers, both of which will be considered top of the rotation starters. With increased stamina, and two full years starting under his belt he no longer have to worry about the bullpen question. The biggest concerns with him right now are his stamina and if he can develop a third pitch. Last year, when he wore down the velocity was still there, but the command went. He will be able to hold up his command all year. The third pitch will determine if he one of the top pitchers in the AL or just a great one. I think Harrison will be traded by then, but he reminds me of a 2010 CJ Wilson. He keeps the ball on the ground and is very good pitcher with potential for more, but his success will be determined by throwing strikes. He has been improving his K rate, and if that continues to go up he could be really good, but he really really needs to cut down on his BB rate to reach his potential. He's come around a lot. Feliz will have a year similar to Ogando last year, I think he will slow down a bit in the second half, but not as badly as Ogando did, but I think walks will be a problem for him. The strikeouts will be fine, but his success will be determined by how many free passes he gives. I think he will flash the potential to be a top of the rotation pitcher, but will still have some work to do (which will be fine for a 24-25 year old by then).

I don't think Martin will pitch much, if at all at the big league level, and if he does I hope it is out of the bullpen in a long relief role. However, when he does get to the show I think he will be better than people around here think. He is very inconsistent as you may expect from someone so young, but he has suffered from some lousy defense behind him the last few years which has made his numbers look worse than they should be, but he does have work to do on sharpening his command. Either way, this time next year he will be ready to be a full time big leaguer, it will just be about trying to find a place for him.

Feldman will be trade bait. If he pitches like he did last year, he will be too good to be a long man out of the pen (and too expensive for that role) and he could be very useful to a hopeful playoff team or any team looking for a good starter at the back end of their rotation (at a reasonable price).

Neil Ramirez will be in the same situation as Martin, but with no place to pitch.
vette
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Are you competing with Dallas ag 94 for length of posts?
Daveintx
How long do you want to ignore this user?
If they can even get just slightly better than they all were last year I will be happy... I'd love for Dutch to repeat what he was able to do, same with harrison... Colby will be colby, eat some innings, give up some long balls.....

The biggest keys of course will end up being if Yu and Feliz can step in and do what we think they can
njohn87
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Potentially having too many starters is a wonderful problem to have, and one that I'm sure will sort itself out through injuries/ineffectiveness.
DallasAg 94
How long do you want to ignore this user?
tl : dr

j/k.

I was looking to post something regarding Best MLB Rotation of all time, to compare what the Rangers need. When you consider Nolan Ryan, Mike Maddux and now Greg Maddux... is there ANY doubt where this rotation is headed?!


quote:
The popular opinion is Ogando is a 2 pitch pitcher and needs to go to the bullpen.



Not so fast my friend. No way he goes to the BP. Not during the season.

quote:
Lewis will have earned a nice 3 year contract at around $15 mil a year somewhere, with a great postseason resume.

And will likely be a Type-A FA.

2013 Rotation.... /wipes drool

Yu
Holland - LHP
Ogando
Harrison - LHP
Martin Perez - LHP

All 5 have #1/2 capacity. All 5 have long-term tenure remaining with the Rangers.

Traded:
CLewis ($3.25M in 2012, FA after 2012)
Feldman ($6.5M, cl opt for 2013)
Feliz (FA after 2015)

Because all 3 are relatively cheap... they should return something worthwhile. But, nothing happens until after Yu is signed.

Harrison is a Lefty. Adding Feliz and Yu, losing CJ, gives us 3 RHP. I think the Rangers may be setting up Feliz to be traded. I think he has the capacity to be a #1 SP, but I think the Rangers may have reservations about his desire to better himself.

This time next year?! Hopefully we are celebrating a WS victory, talking about how incredible our pitching was... and then melting with love that not only will most of the rotation be back... we'll be adding yet ANOTHER SP - Martin Perez, while losing a 3rd straight Ace\Type A FA SP (CLewis).

[This message has been edited by DallasAg 94 (edited 12/22/2011 2:06p).]
Bullet Tooth Tony
How long do you want to ignore this user?
They should trade for Garza, king felix, and kershaw for this year! Haven't you heard, that is a day after the world comes to an end?
DallasAg 94
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Bullet

That was on a different thread.

I'd probably trade some combination of Feliz, Profar, and Harrison for either Felix or Kershaw.

Ok. I'm getting greedy.

But the more I think about it... Feliz will be short lived in Texas, IMO.
Boyd Fistmas
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Elvis will look pretty sexy in the market in a couple of years as well. Forgot which coach said it, but aside from top-end rotation guys, the hardest player to find is the star shortstop.

Profar is coming and he looks to be everything we thought he was.
DallasAg 94
How long do you want to ignore this user?
My guess is Profar will be in Frisco (AA) for 2012. At 19, that will put him where Andrus was.

Numbers look similar to Andrus, except with power.

Andrus is Arb 2012, 2013, and 2014, then FA. So, I expect after 2012... a decision will need to be made. CF will likely be held by Leonys Martin.

The way Kinsler and Andrus play the middle... it is hard to see that getting messed up. Either Andrus or Profar will likely fetch serious return for 2013.

We'll see what HanRam gets.
Mosquito Hunters
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I don't think Profar will be in the bigs in 2013, I do think he will skip high A and go straigh to Frisco, but Elvis went station to station for a full year until he stkipped AAA.

I also dont think they will trade Feliz in a transition year. If he succeeds his value leaps, but right now his value as a starter is lower since he's unproven there, although he is a known quantity as a reliever. Since he is under control for 4 more years I dont see him being traded.
Refresh
Page 1 of 1
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.