AggieEP said:
After reading more up on Queen, I'm in on him. I think if our picks stay as mid to late lottery, you take Queen and Fleming and hope that at least one of them has the motor and shooting to be that complementary piece to Wemby in the frontcourt.
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Queen is a decent passer and honestly way more mobile than I thought he was. The game winner against CSU really displays what could be potential even as a slashing big if he keeps improving his body control.
He's good with the ball, has a decent handle and seems to have a good feel for passing.
I don't think he has anywhere near the BBIQ of those guys, and they are extremely unique players.Quote:
The downside to me is that he's not an explosive leaper and athlete, but as we've seen with guys like Luka and Jokic, (not saying he's them) explosive athleticism isn't necessarily required on offense to dominate.
Wemby can't make up for the fact that Queen is awful as a rim protector and awful as a perimeter defender. Defensively, there is not a single place you can hide him on the court. We need to improve on both sides of the ball. If you replace Barnes with Queen, you are getting worse defensively and you are losing the best shooter on the team. We get flat out worse. This is the same time of argument that people were making when they were justifying Trae Young. "It doesn't matter that he is a complete black hole and will be hunted relentlessly on defense, Wemby's in the paint!"Quote:
On our team specifically, Wemby already can defend the paint and make up for the shortcomings of others.
That's a BIG if. I think Queen has a lot of good qualities, but it is an awful fit. He can't shoot, so he won't spread the floor. He is a negative defender all over. He has motor problems where he just doesn't hustle or get back down the court.Quote:
If Queen turns into a great offensive player then you can hide some of his limitations with what might be limited length and leaping on defense.
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Also worth noting he averaged more than 9 boards a game, so even if there are questions about defensive motor and length, he should help make us a better rebounding team.
I think that taking a guy that is a massive negative defensive issues with clear motor problems is not the right way to improve the team. He's not going to spread the floor out - he's going to take touches away from Wemby in the Paint. How do you clear space for the Fox PnR or Fox middy when Queen is in there taking up space?Quote:
Bottom line, I don't see any advantage to adding any more 6'5'' to 6'7'' wings to this team unless they are clear upgrades over what we have so you take the best bigs available and hope you've got the staff to develop them.
I like Thomas Sorber with the 16th pick if Rasheer Fleming is gone. I do think Fleming could play small ball center, some, but I think we use our MLE on a backup center. Luke Kornet, Clint Capela, or Kevon Looney would all work perfectly and in that price range.West Texan said:
I think our second biggest need is another rim protector and rebounder. I could definitely be down with taking a big man with our second pick in this draft, although it could be addressed in free agency as well. Obviously Maluach is the best big man prospect in this draft, but will probably be gone before our second pick comes up. After that I really like Thomas Sorber from Georgetown. Injury cost him the last part of his season, but he's got a lot to really like about his game on both sides. He had a bigger block % than Maluach and was much more of a focal point of his team's offense. He's not much of an outside shooter right now, but his shot looks good like he could develop into pick and pop threat.
Guitarsoup said:I like Thomas Sorber with the 16th pick if Rasheer Fleming is gone. I do think Fleming could play small ball center, some, but I think we use our MLE on a backup center. Luke Kornet, Clint Capela, or Kevon Looney would all work perfectly and in that price range.West Texan said:
I think our second biggest need is another rim protector and rebounder. I could definitely be down with taking a big man with our second pick in this draft, although it could be addressed in free agency as well. Obviously Maluach is the best big man prospect in this draft, but will probably be gone before our second pick comes up. After that I really like Thomas Sorber from Georgetown. Injury cost him the last part of his season, but he's got a lot to really like about his game on both sides. He had a bigger block % than Maluach and was much more of a focal point of his team's offense. He's not much of an outside shooter right now, but his shot looks good like he could develop into pick and pop threat.
If CP3 agrees to come back for the Non-Bird Exception with a 15mpg role, that solves backup point as we would have Fox, Castle, Paul, and Wesley. Then try to get best player possible with the BAE that fills needs at shooter/forward or 3rd string center. Otherwise, we probably need to use the BAE on that backup point.
I like Malauch (other than last night when he had 0 rebounds somehow) but I don't think he is playable with Wemby and I think he is not going to be happy in that 15-20mpg role behind Wemby. I think he will come right out and be a 25mpg guy and effect games at least as good as Lively did in Dallas. But I think that he very well could be drafted by Toronto so they can run a Poeltl/Malauch 25mpg each rotation at center. And since Jakob has missed ~30 games each of the last couple years, that should extend his career, too.
Just real quick is we won't have actual cap space. We will have the full mid level exception (~13M can split, can accept players on trade), the bi-annual exception (~6M), and exceptions to sign our picks. We also have Non-Bird Rights on Paul, so we could give him a slight bump up in pay to stay as backup.West Texan said:
Hey soup, since you're our resident cap expert; what does our cap space/roster situation look like this offseason since we made the trade for Fox?
Guitarsoup said:Just real quick is we won't have actual cap space. We will have the full mid level exception (~13M can split, can accept players on trade), the bi-annual exception (~6M), and exceptions to sign our picks. We also have Non-Bird Rights on Paul, so we could give him a slight bump up in pay to stay as backup.West Texan said:
Hey soup, since you're our resident cap expert; what does our cap space/roster situation look like this offseason since we made the trade for Fox?
But we will act as over the cap, can bring in a couple FAs and our rookies. I'll do a longer one later.
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No doubt that almost everyone sees some limitations with athleticism, but the talk of his feel for the game makes me want to agree with the author that with time Queen will translate this feel on offense into something productive on defense as well.
He would be on my list with the Hawks pick, but I wouldn't take him top ten. I have work ethic concerns with him due to his lack of hustle, his refusing to rotate, and his general chubbiness as a basketball player. I don't think his ceiling is Sabonis, as Sabonis is a much more complete player. He is much more physical, strong, and intelligent.Quote:
Also anyone drawing comps to Diaw, Sabonis and Sengun is a must take for me with the 8th pick. If we put his ceiling as being Sabonis, I think we'd all be excited to take him and hope he reaches that.
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The author points out that part of the negativity around Queen right now is that he's not the athlete we expect based on how he looks. The author claims that if he was white and European the focus would be on the basketball IQ and offensive feel and not on his defensive quickness and explosiveness.
I think it is more the top two. I think that VJ and and Ace have flaws, too, but I would love the chance to get either.Quote:
Finally, as I've mentioned before, past the top 4, this draft looks like a real crap shoot. So we're splitting hairs here discussing prospects (Kneuppel, Fleming, Malulach, mcNeely, etc.) that are all flawed. I don't think anyone, including NBA scouts have a consensus on how any of these flawed guys are going to translate. My take is that Queen's skill translates.
AggieEP said:
I'll be interested to revisit this analysis in a few years. I think Queen's floor is 10/6/4 as a bench guy and his ceiling is 20/10/6 as a starter offensively.
I'm clearly not comparing Knecht's playing style or position. Just the fact that despite his offensive ability and the Lakers need of shooters, he is getting DNP-CDs and <8 min games because his defense makes him unplayable despite his nice shooting (47/37.) Knecht isn't playing as a POA defender at all. Lakers are trying to hide him whenever he is in.Quote:
Defensively we'll leave that as an open question on how much he wants it and if those offensive numbers are just empty stats while he's a sieve.
Knecht isn't a good comp because he's a wing and has to guard other wings and guards. Queen will be asked to do some switching no doubt, but won't be primarily an on ball point of attack defender very often.
I don't think we consider him with the first pick. Maybe with the Hawks pick if we think he is BPA and that we can fix the defensive issues with coaching. There are guys with that dog in them, and I don't think Queen is that guy. That's why teams like Michigan and Florida abused him so bad on the glass and defensively.Quote:
Hopefully the lottery balls bounce out way again and we have a chance at either Flagg or Bailey and this discussion in moot though.




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They are 4th seed, 1 win out of 3rd seed and will reach 50 wins if they win out. Wild.AA said:
Nuggets just fired Malone. There will not be this many top tier coaching candidates available for a while…
AA said:
Nuggets just fired Malone. There will not be this many top tier coaching candidates available for a while…
Pop is under contract. If he doesn't retire, you can't fire him.FTAG 2000 said:AA said:
Nuggets just fired Malone. There will not be this many top tier coaching candidates available for a while…
Wild.
And Spurs will likely F this opportunity up because of muh feelings for Pop.