I gotta tell you, the Cavs kinda seem like the big winner in this trade outside of the Rockets.

Jarrett Allen is a great defensive center, huge hustle guy. Taurean Prince is a lot like his day, does a lot of things well and is a strong defender. Add those two guys to the SEC three-step of Darius Garland, Collin Sexton, and Isaac Okoro and that starts being a pretty interesting team, even if Kevin Love doesn't come back from injury.

Maybe I'm wrong but doesn't seem like Rockets got much of anything. Picks in later half of first round are pretty useless. Our best hope is if Nets fall apart and those are somehow good picks. There is a reason why so many teams are willing to throw around so many 1st.

Harden boned them.

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I'm going to disagree and say that the Brooklyn team could look very different in just 2-3 years if some of Harden, KD, and Kyrie are no longer there considering they have such odd personalities.

I seem to remember a similar situation where a team traded away bunch of future draft picks that ultimately became some very good assets.

What team was that again? Oh yeah... Brooklyn.

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Kyrie may not even be on the nets in a month with the way his crazy ass is acting right now. It's more likely to blow up in Brooklyn's face than even making the finals for Brooklyn IMO

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It's risky for the Nets because if it doesn't work, they'll be left with absolutely nothing.

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Just like the Rockets had nothing after using all draft capital for Harden.

Mets still have three All-NBA players in their prime. They will get assets

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Harden is definitely in prime condition.

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USDA prime. Well marbled.

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"The waste fat is the taste fat" - Howard Hesby (May he Rest In Peace)

Wednesday, March 3, Nets at Rockets

https://houston.eater.com/2021/1/12/22227356/thirteen-james-harden-restaurant-opening-houston-midtown-2021

Make sure you go to the grand opening of James Harden's new restaurant in midtown!

Well, if nothing else the events of the past two days has made this a popular place again. I came over to this thread yesterday to see the reaction and it was 8 pages long. Now it is almost double that!

Good luck Rockets fans! Look forward to the next two games in SA.

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Maybe I'm wrong but doesn't seem like Rockets got much of anything. Picks in later half of first round are pretty useless. Our best hope is if Nets fall apart and those are somehow good picks. There is a reason why so many teams are willing to throw around so many 1st.

Harden boned them.

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If you rank by win shares, in the last five drafts nearly half of the top 10 players each year have been drafted after pick #16.

You'd obviously rather have a top 5 pick than a second half of the round, but they are far from useless. I, like others, also don't think the Nets are going to be good for very long.

All 3 of those guys could opt out after next year if things don't look amazing

Ha yeah.

Hopefully I'm wrong and Nets do blow up sooner than later and those last couple of picks become great assets.

So I think the value in Oladipo was that you can trade him before the deadline and we have his bird rights. That should give us a max for the summer? Who do we go after, or do we just tank.

Good interview with Stevie Franchise.



I miss those teams. Francis, Mobley, Moochie, Mo Taylor, Eddie Griffin, and Yao in his rookie year. If Rudy didn't get sick, we make the playoffs in 2002 and built from there. I think with Rudy, Francis could be what Westbrook became.

I'm disappointed in the trade and was hoping they'd get a better player than Oladipo in return.

I know the big thing right now is to gawk and large pick lists and yell 'oooo assets!' Like people do with OKC or New Orleans. But annually there are only like 10 guys who can credibly play best talent for a contender and it seems like increasingly they all like pairing up. In other words, getting one of those guys is rare.

Now, take all of that and realize that all indicators we saw these last 2-3 years is Brooklyn appears to be one of the places that talent is attracted to. Unlike the picks and swaps we sent to OKC, I predict these turn out to all be fairly middling to low.

Are all of the picks and trade swaps we sent OKC from the Westbrook trade unprotected?

Trying to piece together what our draft situation is over the next several years.

Never mind, found this. Doesnt have the Harden picks entered yet but a good summary of everything else.

https://tradenba.com/teams/Rockets/11/draft-picks

Looking at this just made me depressed. **** Morey for that Westbrook trade. Looking like basketball purgatory for a while. Time to just sell off anyone with value.

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Never mind, found this. Doesnt have the Harden picks entered yet but a good summary of everything else.

https://tradenba.com/teams/Rockets/11/draft-picks

Looking at this just made me depressed. **** Morey for that Westbrook trade. Looking like basketball purgatory for a while. Time to just sell off anyone with value.

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That Westbrook trade was completely on Tillman, not Morey.

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I'm disappointed in the trade and was hoping they'd get a better player than Oladipo in return.

I know the big thing right now is to gawk and large pick lists and yell 'oooo assets!' Like people do with OKC or New Orleans. But annually there are only like 10 guys who can credibly play best talent for a contender and it seems like increasingly they all like pairing up. In other words, getting one of those guys is rare.

Now, take all of that and realize that all indicators we saw these last 2-3 years is Brooklyn appears to be one of the places that talent is attracted to. Unlike the picks and swaps we sent to OKC, I predict these turn out to all be fairly middling to low.

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The picks in the coming years will almost assuredly be pretty poor, barring a complete meltdown in Brooklyn. The picks towards the latter end of the deal have a lot of potential. Harden and Durant will both be upper 30s (if they're still there), and who knows what the hell will happen with Kyrie.

Oladipo gives this roster the chance to compete, but if it doesn't look good, we can still flip him at the trade deadline.

Boston built their team on a similar trade with Brooklyn. Probably won't work that way for Houston due to the Westbrook trade, but all things considered, I think it's a very good haul for a guy who looks like he showed up 30+ pounds overweight.

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I'm disappointed in the trade and was hoping they'd get a better player than Oladipo in return.

I know the big thing right now is to gawk and large pick lists and yell 'oooo assets!' Like people do with OKC or New Orleans. But annually there are only like 10 guys who can credibly play best talent for a contender and it seems like increasingly they all like pairing up. In other words, getting one of those guys is rare.

Now, take all of that and realize that all indicators we saw these last 2-3 years is Brooklyn appears to be one of the places that talent is attracted to. Unlike the picks and swaps we sent to OKC, I predict these turn out to all be fairly middling to low.

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The picks in the coming years will almost assuredly be pretty poor, barring a complete meltdown in Brooklyn. The picks towards the latter end of the deal have a lot of potential. Harden and Durant will both be upper 30s (if they're still there), and who knows what the hell will happen with Kyrie.

Oladipo gives this roster the chance to compete, but if it doesn't look good, we can still flip him at the trade deadline.

Boston built their team on a similar trade with Brooklyn. Probably won't work that way for Houston due to the Westbrook trade, but all things considered, I think it's a very good haul for a guy who looks like he showed up 30+ pounds overweight.

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This trade is substantially different than Boston in that the stars in that equation central to the team were like 5 or 6 years older than Harden, Durant and Kyrie are now. Draft picks of teams that appear to be 'destination' teams like Brooklyn appears to becoming are way overrated.

Sort of like the Anthony Davis trade. Everybody got all frothy over the 'draft capital' Nola got. But really... the Lakers are really good historically pretty much every year. Lebron will age, but he will get replaced by somebody else rly good to go with Davis and they'll continue to win 50+ games annually. The draft picks probably look more like magic beans than they do really valuable building blocks.

I'm not saying the picks aren't interesting but let's not pretend like they are certain to be dumpy picks. The fact Brooklyn effectively just attracted a big 3 should make everybody question how the league looks in the foreseen future.

And it's clear the Rockets just wanted to make sure they got the biggest 'list' ever for Harden. I mean the pick swap this year? Lol.

Will agree Oladipo is an interesting add.

I'm happy Harden is gone, and I agree we might as well trade away Wall, Tucker, Gordon, O, and anyone else (except Wood) with tradable value for younger, developing players or draft picks. This looks like complete rebuild.

But, I think we're in for a bad ride. To Tillman, everything has to be a profit center. This team isn't a toy to throw away money at to win and feed an ego like for some owners -- it's all about the money to Tillman He probably sees unloading big player salaries in exchange for less costly players and draft picks as good for the bottom line. Plus, Tillman is also known to be an ******* to work for -- that's why neither Morey or D'Antoni even considered staying with the Rockets. I just don't see Tillman being very successful in the free agent market either. I hope I'm completely wrong, but I think Rocket basketball is in for a tough few years.

Listened to Kevin O' Connor on the radio this morning mention the Heat as a potential suitor for Oladipo if they cannot get Washington to move Beal. Sounds like the Heat are actively searching for more weapons to compete with the Bucks and now the Nets

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I'm happy Harden is gone, and I agree we might as well trade away Wall, Tucker, Gordon, O, and anyone else (except Wood) with tradable value for younger, developing players or draft picks. This looks like complete rebuild.

But, I think we're in for a bad ride. To Tillman, everything has to be a profit center. This team isn't a toy to throw away money at to win and feed an ego like for some owners -- it's all about the money to Tillman He probably sees unloading big player salaries in exchange for less costly players and draft picks as good for the bottom line. Plus, Tillman is also known to be an ******* to work for -- that's why neither Morey or D'Antoni even considered staying with the Rockets. I just don't see Tillman being very successful in the free agent market either. I hope I'm completely wrong, but I think Rocket basketball is in for a tough few years.

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Agree 100% - Tilman sucks.

I mentioned previously that I had some dealings with TF and he and his lackeys are absolutely brutal to work for. In my experience I was expected to drop everything at a moment's notice for them, fight just to get them to comply with things they have previously agreed to, and endure brutal criticism (mostly unmerited and very obviously part of their plan to wear you down and "renegotiate" a lower price after the fact). He's into so many things in Houston, I'm sure others have had similar experiences...and that isht probably ain't gonna fly with NBA talent.

I don't think it's a bad trade considering the circumstances and I think the right owner could parlay it into a successful future, but my feeling is that TF is going to run this organization into the ground trying to run it like his others.

The value here should be interesting. His salary is only 8 mill on an expiring deal (UFA). Hope Stone gets this done sooner rather than later.

Kind of makes sense why the Net were willing to trade off their future if that is the case. Without him, KD would just be wasted there unless they could get another top 10 player.

This is just my take but I don't buy that report for one minute.

It has been well reported for almost a year that Kyrie has had personal frustrations over the NBA playing during times of "social injustice" and during the pandemic.

I read the report that he was frustrated with Nets ownership but it said that it initially started when the front office didn't consult him on the Nash hiring (I don't believe that) and that he didn't sign off on the Harden trade (more believable but NBA insiders had said Durant, Harden and Kyrie had talked about teaming up well before anyone was there).

Just my opinion. Doesn't affect the Rockets anymore once the trade is completed.

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I mentioned previously that I had some dealings with TF and he and his lackeys are absolutely brutal to work for.

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I've heard that about TF, and I'm certainly no expert on him. He did lead the charge at UH to get rid of Major Applewhite and lure Dana Holgerson over from a power 5 conference.

I think the Rockets business is probably driven by ego more than his restaurant chains. Sure, if tanking this season shores up some cash flow I think he would go ahead and do it if he thinks he can win in the future.

Take the high road, good call.