This clown will show up before he misses a game check, grab a muscle in pain a la Leonard and spend the season in Vegas waiting for a trade. Book it.

Bruh. Didn't you just call out people who regurgitate what podcasts say? You just stated almost verbatim what Bill Simmons laid out last week.

Harden is an immature selfish turd and always has been.

I took a lot of heat here in the past saying many times over the years that any Harden-led team would never win a title. Granted I was almost wrong, but I consider that a CP3-led team anyhow.

A lot of you have given him the benefit of the doubt because he's such a talented player, but all of the evidence pointed towards him being an entitled party boy from day 1. It sucks to have spent so much and given up so much building around him, but it was the proverbial house built on sand.

I'm happy to move on from him - the sooner the better. I would say it was fun while it lasted, but I always had a hard time getting behind him and am truly more excited for the start of something new than I would have been to have however many years of Harden keeping us competitive but not having the commitment to do what it takes when it counts.

I'm a big Simmons fan (as most are even though a lot of people act too cool for him)... and this board regurgitates Simmons and Rusillo both a ton.

I remember a thread here like a day after Simmons posted a podcast where he named exactly some odd number of top players in the NBA like 7 or 9 and Simmons talked about specifically that number and named the exact same players and attributed it to their own opinion. I wish I could find it but I chuckled because I was perusing Texags and read it like right after listening to the segment of the podcast.

I would trade him to Utah. No strip clubs.

Harry Dunne said:

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Harden is an immature selfish turd and always has been.

I took a lot of heat here in the past saying many times over the years that any Harden-led team would never win a title. Granted I was almost wrong, but I consider that a CP3-led team anyhow.

A lot of you have given him the benefit of the doubt because he's such a talented player, but all of the evidence pointed towards him being an entitled party boy from day 1. It sucks to have spent so much and given up so much building around him, but it was the proverbial house built on sand.

I'm happy to move on from him - the sooner the better. I would say it was fun while it lasted, but I always had a hard time getting behind him and am truly more excited for the start of something new than I would have been to have however many years of Harden keeping us competitive but not having the commitment to do what it takes when it counts.

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Some of us were right there with you. It was clear at least 5 years ago that Harden would never be able to win it all. Most here were content with being an also-ran and having a superstar. Having a superstar, we were told, was better than not having one.. and in no way do you give one up.. draft picks never become super stars.

We likely wouldn't have done any better having traded Harden.. but we could have built a foundation of talent to bring a superstar to.. instead of joining #3 types with a toxic culture led by a tissue soft party boy.

mazag08 said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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Harden is an immature selfish turd and always has been.

I took a lot of heat here in the past saying many times over the years that any Harden-led team would never win a title. Granted I was almost wrong, but I consider that a CP3-led team anyhow.

A lot of you have given him the benefit of the doubt because he's such a talented player, but all of the evidence pointed towards him being an entitled party boy from day 1. It sucks to have spent so much and given up so much building around him, but it was the proverbial house built on sand.

I'm happy to move on from him - the sooner the better. I would say it was fun while it lasted, but I always had a hard time getting behind him and am truly more excited for the start of something new than I would have been to have however many years of Harden keeping us competitive but not having the commitment to do what it takes when it counts.

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Some of us were right there with you. It was clear at least 5 years ago that Harden would never be able to win it all. Most here were content with being an also-ran and having a superstar. Having a superstar, we were told, was better than not having one.. and in no way do you give one up.. draft picks never become super stars.

We likely wouldn't have done any better having traded Harden.. but we could have built a foundation of talent to bring a superstar to.. instead of joining #3 types with a toxic culture led by a tissue soft party boy.

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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading these posts from Rockets fans

I think everyone knew exactly what he was at some level, just like we all knew who Johnny was but I don't blame those that stuck up for either of them. He's got insane talent, gave us some great thrills and it's human nature to want your hometown guy to be a hero. A lot of it is cultural as well, our society builds these guys up and projects on them character to match their talent when in truth that is rarely the case.

Organizations are in a tough spot when they have a guy like Harden who has all-world talent with an ego to match but isn't committed to doing the things off the court that his competitors are. I mean look Harden is no slouch - he shows up and stays healthy and plays well...but when you have LeBron and Steph and others that are just as talented but rocking the Versa climber and the protein shake on Friday nights instead of the tit house and the cognac, it's going to show in the big moments and affect the culture of the team.

McHale was a terrible coach, but he did try to hold James accountable and he got run...and that might have been because of his coaching, but would Pop have done any better with Harden? Maybe if Harden had come into a team with Duncan and Ginobili and Parker and a bunch of rings already in the trophy case, but I'm not sure that Pop would have done any better if he had been hired to coach the Rockets in 2012.

Simmons used to be good but ever since he stopped writing he's become a caricature of the thing he used to mock.

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Harry Dunne said:

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Harden is an immature selfish turd and always has been.

I took a lot of heat here in the past saying many times over the years that any Harden-led team would never win a title. Granted I was almost wrong, but I consider that a CP3-led team anyhow.

A lot of you have given him the benefit of the doubt because he's such a talented player, but all of the evidence pointed towards him being an entitled party boy from day 1. It sucks to have spent so much and given up so much building around him, but it was the proverbial house built on sand.

I'm happy to move on from him - the sooner the better. I would say it was fun while it lasted, but I always had a hard time getting behind him and am truly more excited for the start of something new than I would have been to have however many years of Harden keeping us competitive but not having the commitment to do what it takes when it counts.

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Some of us were right there with you. It was clear at least 5 years ago that Harden would never be able to win it all. Most here were content with being an also-ran and having a superstar. Having a superstar, we were told, was better than not having one.. and in no way do you give one up.. draft picks never become super stars.

We likely wouldn't have done any better having traded Harden.. but we could have built a foundation of talent to bring a superstar to.. instead of joining #3 types with a toxic culture led by a tissue soft party boy.

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What a hindsight take this is.

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M.C. Swag said:

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Simmons used to be good but ever since he stopped writing he's become a caricature of the thing he used to mock.

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How hipster of you.

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Am I wrong? He clearly doesn't do any prep for his pods, makes over the top reactionary takes, and has completely lost interest in hearing anyone elses perspective.

And if you're a Rockets fan, his constant mocking of "Houston guy" is radio hack performance 101.

I don't really like him, but will tune into his podcast while he is talking about a subject I want to hear about. Especially NBA off-season. I don't give two ****s about his takes on NFL and MLB.

When he wrote the Book of Basketball or Now I Can Die in Peace, he did a book tour and stopped at Borders at Westheimer and Kirby. I showed up in a borrowed Clemens Astros jersey and got him to sign the book in that. He thought it was less funny than I did.

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M.C. Swag said:

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ATM9000 said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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Simmons used to be good but ever since he stopped writing he's become a caricature of the thing he used to mock.

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How hipster of you.

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Am I wrong? He clearly doesn't do any prep for his pods, makes over the top reactionary takes, and has completely lost interest in hearing anyone elses perspective.

And if you're a Rockets fan, his constant mocking of "Houston guy" is radio hack performance 101.

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This is a Rockets thread so I'll stop after this, but the sheer fact that you seem to know about a 'Houston guy' that he mocks constantly means you listen to his podcast arguably more than and closer than I do since I really don't recall that being a big thing such as his Utah and Portland fan takes. Your other criticisms seems to reinforce that you listen to it on the reg.

It's either that, and you actually do enjoy his pod which makes your take on it disingenuous or you openly waste your time listening to *****

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I enjoy the sports environment he's cultivated (Russillo, Verno, KOC, Tjarks, etc) and will listen when he has guests or topics i enjoy. Plus I'm a hoops head. It'd be easier to list the NBA pods I don't listen to than the ones i do. But listening to Simmons and having a negative opinion on him should bolster the criticism, not invalidate it.

And no need to get mad bro. It's ok if you like Simmons. I'm not going to take him away from you.

High AF