*****OFFICIAL 2019-2020 Houston Rockets*****

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In reply to WES2006AG • 1:51p, 11/18/20
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Good to see that Silas and Stone don't appear to be afraid of James. They are at least saying the right thing for now.

My guess is that if James isn't traded he comes in fat and we get to watch months of Sleepy James going through the motions on the court.


Honestly, fine by me. I'll take the backbone from management.

Who knows, maybe Silas wins James over and they make it work. If the trade deals suck, I'd say that's our best option.
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In reply to Beat40 • 3:11p, 11/18/20
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100% agree. I am sure James thinks he has the upper hand here but he is ultimately powerless if we don't cave.
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In reply to Beat40 • 3:13p, 11/18/20
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Beat40 said:
WES2006AG said:
Good to see that Silas and Stone don't appear to be afraid of James. They are at least saying the right thing for now.

My guess is that if James isn't traded he comes in fat and we get to watch months of Sleepy James going through the motions on the court.


Honestly, fine by me. I'll take the backbone from management.

Who knows, maybe Silas wins James over and they make it work. If the trade deals suck, I'd say that's our best option.
I'm also wondering if James is the type that expects people to cater to him, as has been the case, or whether he'll actually respect someone more when they stand up to them. Hopefully the latter.
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6:12p, 11/18/20
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Ariza and 16th pick tonight for a future 1st. Just to think I was excited about watching the draft tonight as we had our highest 1st round pick in ages.
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6:18p, 11/18/20
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Gotta slash the payroll
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6:19p, 11/18/20
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Helps for use of mid level exception use this year I think
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6:21p, 11/18/20
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 6:22p, 11/18/20
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Guitarsoup said:
thats an awful trade
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6:22p, 11/18/20
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 6:23p, 11/18/20
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M.C. Swag said:
Guitarsoup said:
thats an awful trade


Lol if any of us actually pretend to understand NBA contracts and rules.
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In reply to Aggie09Derek • 6:23p, 11/18/20
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Aggie09Derek said:
M.C. Swag said:
Guitarsoup said:
thats an awful trade


Lol if any of us actually pretend to understand NBA contracts and rules.
lol sorry, i meant the Ariza+16
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In reply to Aggie09Derek • 6:26p, 11/18/20
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Wait, so Houston is sending the 16th pick this year for a pick that likely won't be top 16.

Does Stone hate Tillman, too?
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 6:38p, 11/18/20
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M.C. Swag said:
Aggie09Derek said:
M.C. Swag said:
Guitarsoup said:
thats an awful trade


Lol if any of us actually pretend to understand NBA contracts and rules.
lol sorry, i meant the Ariza+16


Again, we have no real idea why.

Guessing has to do with mid level exception and freeing them up to do other moves.

When something looks dumb like that based on just the optics, usually much much more complicated stuff going on. NBA contracts/rules are more complicated than any other sport.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 6:40p, 11/18/20
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Getting rid of a bad contract I assume and making way for mid level exception to use. Haven't read much into it though.
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In reply to Aggie09Derek • 6:41p, 11/18/20
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Aggie09Derek said:
M.C. Swag said:
Aggie09Derek said:
M.C. Swag said:
Guitarsoup said:
thats an awful trade


Lol if any of us actually pretend to understand NBA contracts and rules.
lol sorry, i meant the Ariza+16


Again, we have no real idea why.

Guessing has to do with mid level exception and freeing them up to do other moves.

When something looks dumb like that based on just the optics, usually much much more complicated stuff going on. NBA contracts/rules are more complicated than any other sport.
It's 100% money related. Yes, the rockets can use the full MLE but they just traded the 16th pick in THIS draft for what is likely a worse 5 years from now.

Also, it's tillman. He's not exactly "killing it" in the decision department.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 6:45p, 11/18/20
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#16 pick has about a 25% chance of being a role player. Let's not act like that was some major thing given up. Granted this year while not awesome at the top, is fairly deep so who knows.
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6:46p, 11/18/20
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He's an expiring contract. I don't know how this trade makes any sense
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In reply to Aggie09Derek • 6:47p, 11/18/20
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Aggie09Derek said:
#16 pick has about a 25% chance of being a role player. Let's not act like that was some major thing given up. Granted this year while not awesome at the top, is fairly deep so who knows.
right but if your defense for moving RoCo is so that you can sign a worse player with the MLE while spending more draft capital doing it, then i think you made a bad move.
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In reply to Aggie09Derek • 6:48p, 11/18/20
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Ariza isn't really a bad contract, though. Last year of the contract, 12.8mm.

For Portland last year, he shot 49%/40%/87% and had 11p/5r/2a/1.6s. Still playing at a solid level and a guy that a playoff team would likely want for their rotation. Solid D&3 players that were starters on NBA Champions don't grow on trees.

12.8mm on ariza and 2.6mm on the #16 pick.

So for RoCo, the Rockets got a heavily protected pick sometime in the future from Detroit and a protected pick from Portland. I haven't seen what the Portland protections are just yet.
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6:48p, 11/18/20
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The draft is pretty thin this year too. I say only three of these guys ever make an All-Star game.
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6:51p, 11/18/20
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That's not as bad of a trade as it looks on the surface/within the confines of a tweet.

Contracts and negotiations are supposed to be Stone's speciality, so I'm gonna trust him on it.
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7:03p, 11/18/20
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lol I don't understand NBA contracts at all
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In reply to HotardRat • 7:11p, 11/18/20
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8:37p, 11/18/20
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So, are the Rockets not keeping the player drafted at 16 tonight?
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In reply to WES2006AG • 8:43p, 11/18/20
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WES2006AG said:
Good to see that Silas and Stone don't appear to be afraid of James. They are at least saying the right thing for now.

My guess is that if James isn't traded he comes in fat and we get to watch months of Sleepy James going through the motions on the court.
reminds me of that one player in little big league


Mac : You're a frickin' primadonna, McGreavy. You don't deserve to wear that uniform.
Mike McGrevey : You know, you're right, Mac. I'm a disgrace to the Twins. I think you should trade me.
Mac : As soon as we find someone dumb enough to take you, that's EXACTLY what we're gonna do.
Billy Heywood : No we're not. We're not trading you.
Mike McGrevey : So what are you going to do, bench me?
Billy Heywood : Nope, play you. When it's your turn to pitch, you pitch. Nothing changes.
Mike McGrevey : You know, I don't think that's such a good idea. I have a feeling my concentration's not going to be that good out there. I might tend to forget some of those scouting reports.
Billy Heywood : Well, that's up to you, you're the free agent. Hey Mac, what's the going rate for an absent-minded pitcher who can't get anybody out?
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10:20p, 11/18/20
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10:51p, 11/18/20
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FWIW Bill Simmons said he thinks both Harden and Russ get traded the next few days on the Ringer's post draft show.

Said Harden to Philly and Russ to an "Eastern conference team"
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10:55p, 11/18/20
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Idk when we got this pick
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In reply to GCP12 • 10:59p, 11/18/20
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What kind of package can Philly offer? Harris, Simmons, and some picks? Can we flip Westbrook for Wall & picks?
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11:01p, 11/18/20
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Kenyon Martin Jr. ?! Holy **** I'm getting old
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:02p, 11/18/20
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Farmer1906 said:
What kind of package can Philly offer? Harris, Simmons, and some picks? Can we flip Westbrook for Wall & picks?
I'd think the Rockets would take Simmons and picks alone. I don't think you even want Harris with that horrendous contract.

Wall/Simmons doesn't seem like a great match and you definitely wouldn't want Harris/Simmons/Wall and those 3 contracts.
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11:06p, 11/18/20
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Harden to Simmons is depressing. So are these contracts.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:08p, 11/18/20
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Meh, if Harden is going to force his way out like this, Simmons is a pretty damn good piece. Definitely better than anything you're getting from Brooklyn.
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12:10a, 11/19/20
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Not a bad pick up
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7:18a, 11/19/20
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If the Rockets flipped Harden for Simmons it would be a home run (given having a star that wants out). I would doubt the Sixers take calls on him though.
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