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In reply to Hickory High • 11:09p, 5/28/18
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I'm actually pulling for the Warriors to sweep or get it done in 5 games. Then have Morey find a way to pair Harden with LeBron. Would finally move him out West and create some interesting storylines throughout the season.
With full maxes for both CP3 and Lebron, both of of them will be making ~50mill in their age 37 and 38 season respectively. Not sure if this is the best path forward. They're old, and it goes quick. CP3 is notoriously injury prone.

Do you want to win a championship or do you want to lose in the WCF again?

I want to win a 'ship. Sign them both.

Do that and we can't pay anyone else.

Not necessarily. It'll probably require moving both Gordon and Ryno (which might not even be possible), but the money could work out. It'll depend on if Tilman is cool with paying the repeater's tax.

We can't move Anderson. He's basically untradeable. Period. Unless Morey gets a GM to take a REALLY bad deal or sabatoges our future by giving away all of our draft picks, this offseason is pretty hopeless.

I agree with you that Ryno is untradable without sacrificing the future, but I think it would be worth the gamble if getting Lebron was a sure thing. Being the second best team isn't good enough IMO. But I'm sure the few of us who stick around in the next couple weeks will have some real debate about this.

Sure, if Lebron is a lock, trade all our draft picks. Outside of that, not worth it. I'm scared of the under-the-table agreement we made with CP3 to get him to agree to the trade. Fearing its a 4 or 5 year max.

We're definitely on the same page on the trading picks for Lebron front. I'm worried about the CP3 deal too, it just doesn't seem like he's going to take anything less than the max - it definitely wouldn't set a good precendent with him being the president of the Player's Association for him to take a pay cut.
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In reply to agcat • 11:10p, 5/28/18
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They missed 27 threes in a row - an NBA playoff record. When you choke that bad you're supposed to lose.

Nice overall season, however so they still have that.


How the hell that's not an NBA record, period, amazes me.

Anderson's contract is an anchor, and if Morey can jettison that without mortgaging the future, he might really be a wizard.
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11:10p, 5/28/18
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And in order to convince LeBron that he has no future in Cleveland, we need him to get raped in the finals with every game being a 30 point loss.
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11:12p, 5/28/18
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Best way to get rid of Anderson is to trade for Carmelo and promptly stretch waive him. It would save us $12M in cap space for the next two years.
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11:12p, 5/28/18
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Rockets missed all those 3s due to dead legs. Too short of a rotation the last few games but I can't blame Dantoni too much for it. Lose Paul for the most important 2 games of the season. And Luc having essentially no impact and clearly not the same player from before the shoulder dislocation. Bad luck all around. When you have to defend the shooters that GS has, not surprised to see them run of out gas.

3rd quarter was an ergegious ref-induced momentum shift.

Just another injury what if season like 08-09. That team was good enough to win it all just like this one.
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11:20p, 5/28/18
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The refs sucked but not the reason we lost. Harden wants to be the man like lebron and kd then he needs to take games over when it matter most. Who knows what happens if we have Paul but they didn't have iggy either. This off season will determine a lot. Do we sign Capela to a max deal? Can get unload ryno?
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In reply to Ags #1 • 11:22p, 5/28/18
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The refs sucked but not the reason we lost. Harden wants to be the man like lebron and kd then he needs to take games over when it matter most. Who knows what happens if we have Paul but they didn't have iggy either. This off season will determine a lot. Do we sign Capela to a max deal? Can get unload ryno?

Can't get rid of Ryno. Contract is too toxic.
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11:22p, 5/28/18
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The missed 3 pointer streak wasn't really that bad. Harden made the one that was called a non-shooting foul and missed two 3's in the second quarter where he was clearly fouled. Poor officiating certainly contributed to the epic poor 3 point shooting.
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In reply to Ags #1 • 11:23p, 5/28/18
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The refs sucked but not the reason we lost. Harden wants to be the man like lebron and kd then he needs to take games over when it matter most. Who knows what happens if we have Paul but they didn't have iggy either. This off season will determine a lot. Do we sign Capela to a max deal? Can get unload ryno?
You don't think being mauled repeatedly, getting 3 pt fouls taken away, no calls on moving screens and picks effects players? Rediculous.
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In reply to Ags #1 • 11:23p, 5/28/18
Iggy doesn't matter when you have Thompson, Curry and Durant against Harden. I will agree that missing the 3 pointers was the killer, but you have to look at the swing that was taken in the 3rd quarter. There was no way to recover from that without another superstar when you are facing that line up.
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In reply to Hickory High • 11:25p, 5/28/18
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Trade ryno for melo and promptly stretch waive melo. Saves $11-12M for the next two years in cap space.
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11:25p, 5/28/18
I do like that this board has already rolled into offseason mode.

I'm just hoping there is something out there that presents itself that is yet unseen.
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In reply to rvk246 • 11:26p, 5/28/18
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Trade ryno for melo and promptly stretch waive melo. Saves $11-12M for the next two years in cap space.


No way OKC does that though, right?
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11:27p, 5/28/18
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How can you guys keep blaming the refs for this loss?? Are you serious??
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In reply to Forum Troll • 11:28p, 5/28/18
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Rockets missed all those 3s due to dead legs. Too short of a rotation the last few games but I can't blame Dantoni too much for it. Lose Paul for the most important 2 games of the season. And Luc having essentially no impact and clearly not the same player from before the shoulder dislocation. Bad luck all around. When you have to defend the shooters that GS has, not surprised to see them run of out gas.

3rd quarter was an ergegious ref-induced momentum shift.

Just another injury what if season like 08-09. That team was good enough to win it all just like this one.
Why can't we ask if the minutes at the end of the regular season added up? I'm talking about the minutes played AFTER the 1 seed and home court was locked up. It lost us Luc and added minutes on guys legs for absolutely NO REASON.
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In reply to Ags #1 • 11:28p, 5/28/18
It was a combination of that and the missed 3's. Not to mention GS shooters got hot
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In reply to Beat40 • 11:30p, 5/28/18
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They need role players next to RusseLL Statpadbrook if George leaves and Anderson is a good role player and can do everything that melo was supposed to do without complaining. He can hit open threes doesn't demand the ball and has no ego. He'll even let Westbrick steal his rebounds. Our problem with Anderson was that he isn't the defender that luc, pj, and Eric are, so he lost playing time.
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In reply to Ags #1 • 11:31p, 5/28/18
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How can you guys keep blaming the refs for this loss?? Are you serious??


You can't lay the blame 100% on them but they contributed to the loss. It was lopsided. Even the commentators kept pointing it out. Harden robbed of about 9 free throws. Piss poor goaltending call on Capela. Etc. It wasn't the sole reason, we went cold on offense in the second half while Durant and Curry hit shot after shot, but maybe just maybe it helped them stay in it until they could flip the switch
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In reply to Ags #1 • 11:31p, 5/28/18
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How can you guys keep blaming the refs for this loss?? Are you serious??


I won't blame the refs, but you cannot say the missed obvious calls to start the third did not impact the flow of the game. Rockets looked very panicked after that and rushed bad 3 after 3. Couple that with dead legs and the inevitable run the Warriors will come with, you're done.
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In reply to n_touch • 11:31p, 5/28/18
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Missed 3's? Like 27 of them in a row? Refs had a hand in this but not close to the reason we lost.

1). Harden going ghost mode from 3 in games 5-7
2). Ariza and others can't hit 3 in game 7
3). Paul injury
4). Refs
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In reply to Beat40 • 11:31p, 5/28/18
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Trade ryno for melo and promptly stretch waive melo. Saves $11-12M for the next two years in cap space.


No way OKC does that though, right?


Throw in two future picks and they may.
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In reply to Texan_Aggie • 11:32p, 5/28/18
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Sure thing hurt but you don't see lebron laying down when that happens. You want to be the mvp and have a legacy show up most when it matters.
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In reply to TexAgs1992 • 11:35p, 5/28/18
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Beat40 said:
rvk246 said:
Trade ryno for melo and promptly stretch waive melo. Saves $11-12M for the next two years in cap space.


No way OKC does that though, right?


Throw in two future picks and they may.

Then it's not worth it.
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11:35p, 5/28/18
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You can bet your a** Morey will be working hard this offseason to tweak the lineup a bit to come back stronger next year. I'm excited to see what he can pull off given the obstacles. Always seems to pull a rabbit out of the hat.
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In reply to PascalsWager • 11:36p, 5/28/18
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Rockets missed all those 3s due to dead legs. Too short of a rotation the last few games but I can't blame Dantoni too much for it. Lose Paul for the most important 2 games of the season. And Luc having essentially no impact and clearly not the same player from before the shoulder dislocation. Bad luck all around. When you have to defend the shooters that GS has, not surprised to see them run of out gas.

3rd quarter was an ergegious ref-induced momentum shift.

Just another injury what if season like 08-09. That team was good enough to win it all just like this one.
Why can't we ask if the minutes at the end of the regular season added up? I'm talking about the minutes played AFTER the 1 seed and home court was locked up. It lost us Luc and added minutes on guys legs for absolutely NO REASON.


Because there were approximately 4.5 years in between games and rounds during the playoffs. Last regular season game the good players played was 4/11. We've played 17 games the last 49 days, 3 in the past 5. I don't see how the regular season played into this nearly as much as a 6.5 man rotation playing 3 games in 5 days.
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11:37p, 5/28/18
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NBA off season will be more entertaining than the finals
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In reply to Ags #1 • 11:37p, 5/28/18
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Missed 3's? Like 27 of them in a row? Refs had a hand in this but not close to the reason we lost.

1). Harden going ghost mode from 3 in games 5-7
2). Ariza and others can't hit 3 in game 7
3). Paul injury
4). Refs

And despite all that we were within 6 with 4-5 minutes to go.

As has been pointed out you had at a minimum of 7 free throws harden clearly should have taken and a clear cut 3 pointer that was waived off...and a large portion of the bad calls were right when the momentum shifted in the third quarter and those plays could have kept the rockets leading to end the 3rd quarter possibly. That changed the entire complexion of the game.

Golden state got hot we weren't getting any calls and it snow balled from there and tired legs chipped in as well
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In reply to Hickory High • 11:39p, 5/28/18
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TexAgs1992 said:
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rvk246 said:
Trade ryno for melo and promptly stretch waive melo. Saves $11-12M for the next two years in cap space.


No way OKC does that though, right?


Throw in two future picks and they may.

Then it's not worth it.


Yup, in a really tough position becuase for all that golden state is, they also really got fortunate that they drafted two of the best shooters of all time and had them together for so cheap for so long. Kind of similar to the Astros in that regard,

The rockets are having to match up against a team that had that advantage who didn't have to give up their future in order to sign KD.

Just wish we could have gotten better play from Ryno.
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In reply to Frok • 11:40p, 5/28/18
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NBA off season will be more entertaining than the finals


It was last year as well.
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In reply to bullard21k • 11:40p, 5/28/18
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So Tou are blaming the refs for the loss? Or the major reason we lost?
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11:42p, 5/28/18
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At least Reddit is on our side.
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In reply to Hickory High • 11:44p, 5/28/18
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Hickory High said:
TexAgs1992 said:
Beat40 said:
rvk246 said:
Trade ryno for melo and promptly stretch waive melo. Saves $11-12M for the next two years in cap space.


No way OKC does that though, right?


Throw in two future picks and they may.

Then it's not worth it.


We have an extremely narrow window for a championship. It is 100% worth it. Some janitor that we draft 29th overall is not going to be a difference maker.
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In reply to Beat40 • 11:45p, 5/28/18
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But ryno has always been what he is right? Shot 40% from 3 and that's it. He can't d or rebound. Ryno was just as luck as the warriors for getting his dels when he did
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11:58p, 5/28/18
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Fines incoming for Demarcus Cousins and Jeremy Lin...
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11:59p, 5/28/18
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Lol Lin still in the league
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