COAg15 said:

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Per BR:

NC State has released the subpoena in the FBI's investigation into college basketball. Seeks info on DSJ, and Gottfried.

Not the Mavs year. What penalties could come from this, if any?

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Penalties for who? The Mavs? DSJ? What penalties would be assessed? And who would dole out the penalties?

3/23 Tank Check -

e --New York Knicks (Four wins ahead of the Mavs)
e --Chicago Bulls (Two wins ahead of the Mavs)
e --Sacramento Kings (Two wins ahead of the Mavs)
e --Brooklyn Nets (One win ahead of the Mavs)
e --Dallas Mavericks
e --Orlando Magic (One win behind the Mavs)
e --Atlanta Hawks (One win behind the Mavs)
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e --Phoenix Suns
e --Memphis Grizzlies

I think things are pretty clear with 10 games remaining. No way the Mavs can catch Phoenix and Memphis. Those teams will battle for number 1. It is also unlikely that they catch the Knicks but not impossible if the Knicks lose out. Current likely finish is between 3rd and 8th place.

The two biggest games on the Mavs schedule are @Sacramento and @Orlando. If the Mavs can out-tank Sacramento they would be 3 wins clear with only 8 games remaining. Huge game. Orlando plays six (!) tank teams to close out the season. That guarantees that a bunch of these other teams will get tagged with wins. Bulls and Nets play each other twice which is also good news. Wouldn't shock me if the Nets win both as they have no incentive to lose.

Quick guesses for the final 10 games:
0-10 = 3rd pick
1-9 = 3rd/4th pick
2-8 = 4th/5th pick
3-7 = 4th/5th/6th pick
4-6 = 5th/6th/7th pick
5-5 = 6th/7th/8th/9th pick
6-4 or better = Punch Cuban in the face

jeffdjohnson said:

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3/23 Tank Check -


The two biggest games on the Mavs schedule are @Sacramento and @Orlando. If the Mavs can out-tank Sacramento they would be 3 wins clear with only 8 games remaining. Huge game. Orlando plays six (!) tank teams to close out the season. That guarantees that a bunch of these other teams will get tagged with wins. Bulls and Nets play each other twice which is also good news. Wouldn't shock me if the Nets win both as they have no incentive to lose.

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I completely expected the Nets to separate themselves above the Tanking 8 because of what you wrote. I'm stunned the Kings are actually above them right now.

Something else to watch for is that some of those playoff teams are going to start sitting players if possible.
For example, the Kings play Houston the last game of the year. Houston has no reason to play any top player, and that may mean another Kings win.

Won the biggest tank game of the season last night. We would've been in 4th position with a loss. This season has been a disaster in so many ways. If we get pick 8-9 will be awful.

Lose better!!

mavsfan4ever said:

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Won the biggest tank game of the season last night. We would've been in 4th position with a loss. This season has been a disaster in so many ways. If we get pick 8-9 will be awful.

Lose better!!

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Cuban knows he is in the NBA's crosshairs.

I know there isnt a ton to talk about, but im a little tired of the "wahh lets lose to tank " talk. We all know it would be good to get a high draft pick, but its not interesting basketball talk to just repeat over and over.

PatAg said:

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I know there isnt a ton to talk about, but im a little tired of the "wahh lets lose to tank " talk. We all know it would be good to get a high draft pick, but its not interesting basketball talk to just repeat over and over.

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Ok, so since it's near the end of the season, let's talk about the good things that have happened outside of finishing near the bottom of the league

• DSJ is- thankfully- even better than he was advertised to be. He may not win rookie of the year, but he's damn sure the best rookie the Mavs have ever had (talking about his rookie season, I mean...)
• Dwight Powell has come into his own, and he's solidified himself as a solid rotation 4/stretch 4
• Dirk continues to have above average efficiency, and has damn near posted another 50-40-90 season, and has played almost every game this season. Whether he's ultimately a help or a hindrance on the court, what Mavs fan doesn't enjoy seeing him still play at a decent level?
• Carlisle has embraced teaching young players and giving them time. Whether you want to argue that it's a part of some grand tanking plan, or he wants to bring along young talent, the fact of the matter is we've played more young talent this season than ever in recent memory
• Seth Curry not playing all season may allow us to bring him back at a reduced rate, and continue to hopefully bring him along as a potential starting 2 guard for next season, anchoring the backcourt with DSJ

True Anomaly said:

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PatAg said:

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I know there isnt a ton to talk about, but im a little tired of the "wahh lets lose to tank " talk. We all know it would be good to get a high draft pick, but its not interesting basketball talk to just repeat over and over.

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Ok, so since it's near the end of the season, let's talk about the good things that have happened outside of finishing near the bottom of the league

• DSJ is- thankfully- even better than he was advertised to be. He may not win rookie of the year, but he's damn sure the best rookie the Mavs have ever had (talking about his rookie season, I mean...)
• Dwight Powell has come into his own, and he's solidified himself as a solid rotation 4/stretch 4
• Dirk continues to have above average efficiency, and has damn near posted another 50-40-90 season, and has played almost every game this season. Whether he's ultimately a help or a hindrance on the court, what Mavs fan doesn't enjoy seeing him still play at a decent level?
• Carlisle has embraced teaching young players and giving them time. Whether you want to argue that it's a part of some grand tanking plan, or he wants to bring along young talent, the fact of the matter is we've played more young talent this season than ever in recent memory
• Seth Curry not playing all season may allow us to bring him back at a reduced rate, and continue to hopefully bring him along as a potential starting 2 guard for next season, anchoring the backcourt with DSJ

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I'm starting to wonder if Curry's career might just be over. Very mysterious. Going forward, are we thinking of Harrison Barnes as the #2 on the team, or do we want to draft a #2 and think of him as the third best player?

Yogi Ferrell has still been a solid backup? Good backup for the future?

PatAg said:

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True Anomaly said:

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PatAg said:

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I know there isnt a ton to talk about, but im a little tired of the "wahh lets lose to tank " talk. We all know it would be good to get a high draft pick, but its not interesting basketball talk to just repeat over and over.

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Ok, so since it's near the end of the season, let's talk about the good things that have happened outside of finishing near the bottom of the league

• DSJ is- thankfully- even better than he was advertised to be. He may not win rookie of the year, but he's damn sure the best rookie the Mavs have ever had (talking about his rookie season, I mean...)
• Dwight Powell has come into his own, and he's solidified himself as a solid rotation 4/stretch 4
• Dirk continues to have above average efficiency, and has damn near posted another 50-40-90 season, and has played almost every game this season. Whether he's ultimately a help or a hindrance on the court, what Mavs fan doesn't enjoy seeing him still play at a decent level?
• Carlisle has embraced teaching young players and giving them time. Whether you want to argue that it's a part of some grand tanking plan, or he wants to bring along young talent, the fact of the matter is we've played more young talent this season than ever in recent memory
• Seth Curry not playing all season may allow us to bring him back at a reduced rate, and continue to hopefully bring him along as a potential starting 2 guard for next season, anchoring the backcourt with DSJ

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I'm starting to wonder if Curry's career might just be over. Very mysterious. Going forward, are we thinking of Harrison Barnes as the #2 on the team, or do we want to draft a #2 and think of him as the third best player?

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Harrison Barnes is not good enough to be a second option on a playoff team. He's a decent third/fourth option. Not a knock on him, but that's just what he is. So the hope would be to draft a stud this year to pair with DSJ and have a good young duo who can carry the team moving forward.

What a sad, stupid ending to his failed season

It's not every day that you see a guy light $70 million on fire. Nothing like turning that cash down in the summer, and then following it with a season with questions of attitude/commitment, a lengthy injury break, and closed out with a drug suspension. Talk about the sh*tbird trifecta.

Even OJ Mayo thinks Noel has made some bad career choices.

I think the Mavs would be pretty darn good right now if Barnes was their third best player. This is assuming the rest of the roster had a couple of good role players.

Imagine in a few years if DSJ is up to a Damian Lillard level (which isn't unreasonable), we have a decent big that can protect the paint and finish on a pick & roll (Bamba in 2 years?), and a prime Barnes. That could be a good 3 man punch. Plus Carlisle. Not bad...

Got me thinking about how many teams where Barnes would be the 3rd or 4th best player right now.

That win last night sucked, but this most definitely did not:

fightinags2013 said:

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I think the Mavs would be pretty darn good right now if Barnes was their third best player. This is assuming the rest of the roster had a couple of good role players.

Imagine in a few years if DSJ is up to a Damian Lillard level (which isn't unreasonable), we have a decent big that can protect the paint and finish on a pick & roll (Bamba in 2 years?), and a prime Barnes. That could be a good 3 man punch. Plus Carlisle. Not bad...

Got me thinking about how many teams where Barnes would be the 3rd or 4th best player right now.

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Guess it depends on how good you think Barnes is. But he would not be the second best player on a single playoff team in the West. He would be the third best on some and the 4th best on some (what teams he's 3rd/4th on depends on how high you rank him). I also don't think he'd be second best player in any playoff team in the east.

He's a decent iso scorer and I love his attitude. But he's not a playmaker and doesn't do much to make teammates better (penetration, playmaking, assists, etc). So it's hard to be good if he's your second best player.

Tonight was an important loss against the Magic, bringing the Mavs "up" to 4th in the race to the bottom (37.8% chance of a top-3 pick). They are only one game back from being in 7th (15% chance of a top-3 pick).

Huge loss tonight. Makes me feel better about last night.

4/5 Tank Check -

e --Chicago Bulls (3 wins ahead of the Mavs)
e --New York Knicks (3 wins ahead of the Mavs)
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e --Brooklyn Nets (1 win ahead of the Mavs)
e --Sacramento Kings (1 win ahead of the Mavs)
e --Orlando Magic (same number of wins as Mavs)
e --Dallas Mavericks
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e --Atlanta Hawks (2 wins behind the Mavs)
e --Memphis Grizzlies (3 wins behind the Mavs)
e --Phoenix Suns

With 3 games left the Mavs could technically finish anywhere between 2 - 9, although realistically (with 1 more loss) they will be between 4 - 7. Brooklyn plays a Chicago team twice that will be begging for them to win. Hopefully Brooklyn takes both of those games which will effectively eliminate them from catching the Mavs. Sacramento plays a huge game against tanking Memphis. If Sacramento wins then that gives the Mavs a two game cushion for the 5th spot outright with three to play. Unfortunately I could easily see Orlando losing out. They really stink, Jalen Jones almost beat them by himself last night. Basically the Mavs need to go 0-3 to tie for the 4th spot. Finishing 4th or 5th would be excellent in this draft.

Atlanta decided to win today for some reason, bringing Dallas into 3rd place.

Seven Costanza said:

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Atlanta decided to win today for some reason, bringing Dallas into 3rd place.

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What is the determining factor in who gets the better draft lottery odds if there is a three way tie for the 3rd worst record?

From Bleacher Report:

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But what if two teams finish with the same regular-season record, you ask? Well, in the case of the combinations, the two teams in question would receive the average number of combinations of their corresponding positions in the lottery.

In other words, if two teams tied for the ninth-worst record, they would evenly split the combinations awarded to the ninth- and tenth-lowest positions, which in this case would mean 14 combinations each.

If the average number of combinations doesn't come out to a round number, as it would higher up in the lottery, then a coin flip determines which team gets the extra combination. This same process works if three teams tie for the same record.

A coin flip also determines which of two tied teams would get the better pick if neither received a top-three lottery pick.

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Quality tank job in the last 10. Alll of the bottom dwellers except for the Mavs and Suns won at least 3 games, while the Mavs won 2 and the Suns 1

So Dallas is looking at a tie for 2nd at best (unlikely but possible) and can't slip past 5th. If they go ahead and take care ofl business by losing the last game, then they can guarantee themselves at least a share of 3rd. Gonna be hard work tho since it's the Suns.

If there ever was a time for a teamwide case of diarrhea caused by the pregame meal, Tuesday is it.

Still have to play Phoenix on Tuesday, though, and they will still be tanking as well (assuming Memphis doesn't beat Minnesota tomorrow). Should be a horrible game. It's funny that Tuesday's game could possibly determine the fate of the franchise for the next 15 years.

Seven Costanza said:

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Still have to play Phoenix on Tuesday, though, and they will still be tanking as well (assuming Memphis doesn't beat Minnesota tomorrow). Should be a horrible game. It's funny that Tuesday's game could possibly determine the fate of the franchise for the next 15 years.

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Phoenix should win for pride, since they have the worst record locked up. Memphis can't catch them, even though they still have two games left

It is pretty amazing that the Mavs point differential of -2.7 suggests they should be a generic bad team (32 wins or so), not one trolling in the deep tank. Yet, here they are 1 game away from a tying for the 3rd worst record in the league. That point differential includes some really janky, um, "experimental" lineups that were clearly designed to lose games. This year is exactly what the Mavs needed. I hope they can finish the job on Tuesday. Then we are just a few ping-poing balls away from DSJ/Ayton, DSJ/Doncic, DSJ/Bagley or DSJ/Porter Jr.

It's really impressive. It really seems that if Rick was coaching for wins we'd be in the high 30's or maybe even .500. Rick's goal seems to be playing competitive but losing. Hopefully that means we've got better talent than some of the other bottom feeder teams, and maybe we won't have as much trouble getting the loser mentality out of the locker room when we're ready to turn it back around.

ramblin_ag02 said:

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It's really impressive. It really seems that if Rick was coaching for wins we'd be in the high 30's or maybe even .500. Rick's goal seems to be playing competitive but losing. Hopefully that means we've got better talent than some of the other bottom feeder teams, and maybe we won't have as much trouble getting the loser mentality out of the locker room when we're ready to turn it back around.

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I believe the Mavericks have set an NBA record for the most number of clutch losses in one season- they currently have 38, which is definitely the worst this season

Let's go loss this one for Rick!

Goal accomplished

Brilliant 2nd half. Gave up 80 in one half

Maybe Orlando will slip up tomorrow and win at home to turn it from a 3-way tie for 3rd worst to a 2-way tie.

That was a weirdly fun game to be at. Lots of people in my section cheering on the tank. Dude who went to the game with me even created a "Tank"
shirt for the game. Really fun way to close out the season.

Were you behind the suns' bench? I couldn't tell if those were suns or mavs fans but that section was really into it.