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Yao Ming elected to the HOF?
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Last: 8 yr ago by Iowaggie
I agree, just didn't want to make a thread since I figured I'd be voted down to hell by the Rockets fans.
What did he do in his career to really stand out as a HOFer besides be a huge ambassador for China?
What did he do in his career to really stand out as a HOFer besides be a huge ambassador for China?
quote:That's it precisely. He's the greatest player from a nation that loves basketball in part because of him. He made 5 All-NBA teams (highest 2nd, twice), 3x FIBA Asia champion, Chinese league MVP and that's about it.
What did he do in his career to really stand out as a HOFer besides be a huge ambassador for China?
He was never top 5 in any major statistical category and was never top 10 in MVP voting.
Good person and good ambassador for the NBA to China. His career is more of a 'what could have been' story. Also a "Don't rush back from broken feet when you are really tall" story.
this is a joke. He's in the all-time top 10 for #1 overall draft busts.
he was an average player and never won anything of significance
he was an average player and never won anything of significance
Calling him a bust is pretty stinkin harsh IMO. When he was healthy, he was among the elite centers of the game. I'm with Soup on this one: it's sad to think about what Yao could have been if he was able to stay healthy. He was a career 20/10 guy, so it's not like he was one of the worst draft picks in the history of the sport by any means.
But, if he was an original citizen of the US, would he be in the HOF? Absolutely not.
But, if he was an original citizen of the US, would he be in the HOF? Absolutely not.
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quote:19/9 guy. :p
He was a career 20/10 guy, so it's not like he was one of the worst draft picks in the history of the sport by any means.
Anthony Bennett, Greg Oden, Andrea Bargnani, Kwame Brown, Kenyon Martin, Michael Olowakandi, and Joe Smith are all bigger bust 1st pick guys. That's 7 of the last 18 drafts.
quote:I always round up if it makes my guys look better
19/9 guy. :p
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this is a joke. He's in the all-time top 10 for #1 overall draft busts.
he was an average player and never won anything of significance
This is nonsense. His career averages were 19/9/2, 52% from the floor and 83% from the line. That's not a bust. I'm not saying Yao is a hall of famer. But his numbers are just a tad bit off from Patrick Ewing's. He didn't have the longevity of a guy like Ewing or Hakeem or Robinson, but Houston got 7 good years out of him. Not a bust.
It's just the basketball HOF, not NBA, or even American basketball HOF.
There's plenty of refs, women's players, coaches, writers, etc, including Ambassadors.
Yao makes sense.
Vince Carter was discussed in this thread.
There's plenty of refs, women's players, coaches, writers, etc, including Ambassadors.
Yao makes sense.
Vince Carter was discussed in this thread.
But Ewing played like 1400 NBA games and led his team to the Finals. Ewing was also a pretty good defensive player, which was overshadowed by him playing at the same time as Hakeem, Robinson, Alonzo and Deke - all all-time great defenders at center. Ewing also had a storied college career.
A better comparison would be Walton, if Walton didn't win a title and the MVP.
A better comparison would be Walton, if Walton didn't win a title and the MVP.
Yeah, wasn't meaning to do a full Ewing comparison, was really just taking the "Yao wasn't a bust" angle and Ewing was the first center I looked up and found it to be a half decent reference if nothing else.
Played only 4 or so full seasons.
No HOF.
No HOF.
Yao's play in the NBA and international basketball factored in to him getting in to the HOF. With that said he is an ambassador to China and the main reason China loves basketball today. Obviously he didn't spend enough time in the NBA to be in solely for that reason. Wish he could have stayed healthy and we could have seen where his career ended up.
Obviously obvious that his induction into the HoF is not based solely on his performance on the court. It's myopic to think that it is. Basketball's (and the NBA's) popularity in China is due to Yao. He is a great ambassador for the sport.
Junkhead knows this. He's fking trolling.
Junkhead knows this. He's fking trolling.
I guess Jim Spanarkle and Bill Wennington declined.
If he got in by being an ambassador, they need to put him in that category. Not one of a player.
This is beyond absurd. If Yao is in as a player, then Ben Wallace is a lock. And they should shut the entire world down for Dirk's enshrinement.
If he got in by being an ambassador, they need to put him in that category. Not one of a player.
This is beyond absurd. If Yao is in as a player, then Ben Wallace is a lock. And they should shut the entire world down for Dirk's enshrinement.
The Basketball Hall of fame is not the NBA. It's for all levels, there are great HS coaches, hell even Cslvim Murphy is in the Hall. No issues at all with Yao in.
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this is a joke. He's in the all-time top 10 for #1 overall draft busts.
he was an average player and never won anything of significance
Wow
Yao had more offensive game than most centers in the league today.
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quote:All centers. All.
Yao had more offensive game than most centers in the league today.
quote:quote:All centers. All.
Yao had more offensive game than most centers in the league today.
quote:Come on man. Over his 7 season career (I'm not going to count his 5 game final season), Yao played 486 games for an average of about 70 games/season. He averaged 19/9.2 per game over that time frame. Sure you can look at his career and conclude that he didn't maximize his potential, but 7 seasons basically as a 20&10 guy isn't even close to a draft bust, much less one of the top draft busts of all time. If you want to see what a REAL draft bust looks like, look at Anthony Bennett (128 games over 3 seasons, averaged 4.2/3.1), Hasheem Thabeet (224 games over 5 seasons, averaged 2.2/2.7), or a bunch of the Kings' first round draft picks over the last 10 years (Thomas Robinson, Bismarck Biyombo, Quincy Douby, Jimmer Fredette).
this is a joke. He's in the all-time top 10 for #1 overall draft busts.
Yao doesn't belong in the HOF though.
I'm biased, but I would take a healthy Yao over DeMarcus
quote:He put up 27/12 with 3.3 assists and hit 34% of his threes. Boogie is good. Think what he could do with a good coach.
I'm biased, but I would take a healthy Yao over DeMarcus
quote:At the end of his career people will be talking about how he just couldn't ever find the right situation. It is because he is a locker room cancer and a coach killer, not his unfortunate circumstances.quote:He put up 27/12 with 3.3 assists and hit 34% of his threes. Boogie is good. Think what he could do with a good coach.
I'm biased, but I would take a healthy Yao over DeMarcus
quote:quote:At the end of his career people will be talking about how he just couldn't ever find the right situation. It is because he is a locker room cancer and a coach killer, not his unfortunate circumstances.quote:He put up 27/12 with 3.3 assists and hit 34% of his threes. Boogie is good. Think what he could do with a good coach.
I'm biased, but I would take a healthy Yao over DeMarcus
Are we talking about Dwight Howard now?
That may be true, but Boogie is a very good offensive player.
quote:We could very easily apply the same statement to Dwight. A few more weeks and he is likely to be someone elses problem.quote:quote:At the end of his career people will be talking about how he just couldn't ever find the right situation. It is because he is a locker room cancer and a coach killer, not his unfortunate circumstances.quote:He put up 27/12 with 3.3 assists and hit 34% of his threes. Boogie is good. Think what he could do with a good coach.
I'm biased, but I would take a healthy Yao over DeMarcus
Are we talking about Dwight Howard now?
That may be true, but Boogie is a very good offensive player.
you folks that are offended that Yao is being inducted obviously don't understand how the Basketball HOF works
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you folks that are offended that Yao is being inducted obviously don't understand how the Basketball HOF works
Apparently they induct pretty good players. I had no idea.
a great player that did volumes for the sport
By the way, a shoutout to the first former Grizzlies player to make the Hall of Fame!
Some may downplay those 3 games as insignificant, but it got the Grizzlies in before the Timberwolves & Pelicans!!!
You gave the world that memorable battle with a rookie Steph Curry, and who can forget you going toe to toe again with Kobe one more time...and there was some other game.
But seeing you announced to the hometown crowd in Memphis was imaginative and unforgettable...except that you had "retired" before actually playing a home game in Beale St Blue so I didn't actually ever see it. Either way, I know it is probably a tough decision on whether to represent the Sixers or the Grizzlies in the HOF, but whatever you do, we will never forget you, Allen Iverson.
Some may downplay those 3 games as insignificant, but it got the Grizzlies in before the Timberwolves & Pelicans!!!
You gave the world that memorable battle with a rookie Steph Curry, and who can forget you going toe to toe again with Kobe one more time...and there was some other game.
But seeing you announced to the hometown crowd in Memphis was imaginative and unforgettable...except that you had "retired" before actually playing a home game in Beale St Blue so I didn't actually ever see it. Either way, I know it is probably a tough decision on whether to represent the Sixers or the Grizzlies in the HOF, but whatever you do, we will never forget you, Allen Iverson.
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