***Official Houston Rockets Quest for the Championship Thread II***

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Rockets are apparently going to make an offer to D'Antoni
Bad choice. I wanted Van Gundy.
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Oh well. At least we will be fun to watch...I guess.
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Oh well. At least we will be fun to watch...I guess.
How so? Hope so.
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Not like we're winning anything next year anyways, regardless of who we hire.
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Oh well. At least we will be fun to watch...I guess.
How so? Hope so.

I think you'll see James Harden flourish even more in an actual offense, not like that garbage we've had the last 3 years.
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At least we're getting Durant. Amirite?
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So Harden didn't even make the 3rd all nba team.
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So Harden didn't even make the 3rd all nba team.
27/8/5 but was the 7th vote getting guard after

Curry
Westbrook
Paul
Lillard
Klay
Kyle
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29/7.5/6.1 actually with a 25.3 PER (8th overall, behind Steph, Westbrook, & CP) & 59.8% True Shooting % (15th overall, only behind Steph for All NBA guards).
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This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the Mike D'antoni hiring:

http://www.red94.net/houston-rockets-hire-mike-dantoni/16398/#more-16398

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At the end of the day, I'm trying to remain positive, because, after all, what else can I do? This is my team...
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I don't like this hiring. I said the primary objective should have been to identify someone who would instill a culture of discipline and accountability that was the only way to extract maximum potential out of James Harden. If anything, this hiring further enables Harden. And I'm not of the mind that a team of "strong defensive oriented assistants" can impact team agenda in a meaningful way. But maybe things will be different? All I can really do is remain optimistic about the team's prospects. At the least, the team should be exciting to watch.
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Really bizarre decision. It's almost like Morey wants to be fired.
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Or he is committed to his stats over upcoaching philosophy and found a coach that will adhere to it.
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Or he is committed to his stats over upcoaching philosophy and found a coach that will adhere to it.
I definitely think this is part of it. Like the Billy Bean situation in Moneyball where Bean is constructing a team to be played a certain way, but the coach wouldn't execute the plan. I bet Morey really wanted KJ to get more minutes.
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Look I don't think D'Antoni is a great coach, but I really think he was put in a no-win situation in LA and New York. I'm willing to give it a chance.
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I'm giving it a chance because I don't have any other options!
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You know what I mean
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Or he is committed to his stats over upcoaching philosophy and found a coach that will adhere to it.
I definitely think this is part of it. Like the Billy Bean situation in Moneyball where Bean is constructing a team to be played a certain way, but the coach wouldn't execute the plan. I bet Morey really wanted KJ to get more minutes.
moneyball has worked so well for Oakland. I forgot how many World Series titles or even league pennants he's won since he took over?
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Really bizarre decision. It's almost like Morey wants to be fired.
Or that it isn't Morey's decision at all.
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Ya listening to the Rockets beat writer on 790 it sounds like Les made the final decision from a group of coaches Morey offered.
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Really bizarre decision. It's almost like Morey wants to be fired.
Or that it isn't Morey's decision at all.
Then Les is destroying his career and he should resign to salvage it and try to get another opportunity.
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Ya listening to the Rockets beat writer on 790 it sounds like Les made the final decision from a group of coaches Morey offered.


If this is true, it sounds like a classic "win now" Les move. I'm sure many of the candidates talked about rebuilding the team/culture, while D'Antoni probably convinced Les he could make the current roster into an unstoppable offensive juggernaut.

Morey can't get a pass for this either. He brought in D'Antoni for an interview in the first place, even though he claimed we needed a defensive minded coach.

I don't have a lot of hope for this team/coach/management pairing, but I could be wrong. When we hired mchale I thought he was going to be the worst coach in the nba and he surprisingly turned out to be average (possibly above average for a couple of years).
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Look, I'm not excusing Morey for everything, but this is an example of what he's TRYING to do. Gotta trust the system.
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That's a great strategy if you have Curry and Thompson!
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That's a great strategy if you have Curry and Thompson!

Hence why I said "trying". He built the system around thinking guys like Harden, Ariza, Parsons, and others could do something similar. He tried something that would have worked if the things he gambled on had worked.
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That's a great strategy if you have Curry and Thompson!

Hence why I said "trying". He built the system around thinking guys like Harden, Ariza, Parsons, and others could do something similar. He tried something that would have worked if the things he gambled on had worked.


None of those guys were known to be great 3pt shooters in college. They all worked hard to improve, but they certainly didn't have the 3pt shooting pedigree that Thompson and Curry possessed coming out of college. Morey has never drafted a polished shooter outside of lamb, who he promptly traded (and turned out to be a bit of a bust).

The only decent 3pt shooter he signed as a free agent is ariza, who is too streaky.

Morey needs to draft and aquire the players who fit his philosophy. Guys like kj, Terrence williams, Marcus morris, etc won't cut it!

Until he gets some consistent shooters it won't matter what cruddy coach he hires. I really need Morey to pull his head out of his ass...
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I looked up the 2015-2016 shot charts for the Rockets and Warriors. When you look at where the shots come from, the Rockets appear to play smarter basketball. I broke all shots taken in 2015-2016 into four buckets: Layups, threes, corner threes, and midrange shots. I included non-layup shots in the paint as midrange because they display a close affinity to "true" midrange shots rather than layups in terms of expected point value.

78% of the Rockets shots were layups or threes compared to 71% of the Warriors shots. Of the Rockets threes, 12% were from the corner compared to 9% of the Warriors.

BUT

The Warriors shot a better percentage from everywhere on the floor except non-layup paint shots (Rockets +0.6%), right baseline midrange (Rockets +3.9%), and the top of the key (Rockets +0.6%). Of the areas where the Warriors shot higher percentages, the left corner three was closest (Warriors +2.2%) followed by layups (Warriors +2.6%). Everywhere else was Warriors +6.0% or better. So the Rockets shot slightly better from places that neither team uses all that often, and their better shot selection was swamped by the Warriors elite shooting.

Taking a look at offensive efficiency, the Rockets are ranked 8th. Plotting every team shows 4 elite teams (GS, OKC, SAS, and Cleveland), followed by a fairly tight grouping from Toronto to New York, and four really atrocious teams bringing up the rear. So Houston is above average, but not elite.

When I match the data with a look at the roster, I see the Rockets trying to fit square pegs (midrange jump shooters) into a round hole (an offense designed for efficiency). The result is doing the right things but not all that well.



Defensive efficiency, incidentally, shows a similar plot to offensive efficiency but with a much steeper slope in the "middle of the pack". Houston's spot near the bottom of the interquartile range combined with that steep slope means they are worse at defense than they are good at offense. The relative slopes of those two lines is the more interesting factor because it tells me that there is a lot of room league wide for defensive improvement without roster improvement. This is relevant to Houston, I think, because for all the picking apart of the offense, the defense is the problem.
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Now, that's a basketball post!
Hickory High
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#AndThenWeGetDurant
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Hickory High
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Bill Simmons' new website just launched. I'm excited for it.

https://theringer.com/
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Shocking News. Harden wants Durant.

https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmnba/james-harden-tells-jason-terry-that-kevin-durant-is-his-1-free-agent-target
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Shocking News. Harden wants Durant.

https://m.soundcloud.com/bry-28/the-high-spot-podcast-episode-21
All I hear is WWE talk

Were you trying to link the interview he did with Jason Terry?
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Shocking News. Harden wants Durant.

https://m.soundcloud.com/bry-28/the-high-spot-podcast-episode-21
All I hear is WWE talk

Were you trying to link the interview he did with Jason Terry?
Correct. No idea what that podcast is. I guess it popped up after the Harden/Terry clip.
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D'Antoni apparently wants Jeremy Lin. You've got to be ****ing kidding me
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D'Antoni apparently wants Jeremy Lin. You've got to be ****ing kidding me


Makes sense to me. Lin/Harden seems like a perfect Mike D back court
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