lol at pulling out head to head results as a measure.

At that point I thought, this dude is one dumb mfer.

At this point I'm willing to give anyone a try.

Ggg got little out of his talent. The success he had was his team.

I just don't see how Vieira fits the "serial winner" profile Crocker talk about.

He doesn't. Neither does anyone on the realistic finalist list that's floating around.

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jeffk said:

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Idk, it seems like folks are holding out for a "highly successful" coach and I just don't think there are realistic options that fit that description. You'd have to pay $10 million to lure a proven guy to leave his European club or national team post and that's not going to happen I don't think. And sure, that troll account will trot out nearly decade-old MLS results to show who is and who isn't qualified but that's not in anyway related to how this job will be assigned. Applicants (who are all sort of mid-table club guys from what I've seen) will get to lay out their vision for where they'll take the USMNT. Fed leadership will consider their careers and the feasibility of the plan they're laying out and their systems of play and then weigh that against the risk and cost they'll bring with them.

Klopp ain't coming. Pep ain't coming. In fact the closest I could see is getting to some big, proven, splash international hire is Southgate and I know this fanbase would melt down if he's announced. We need to consider more than just records or trophies when evaluating the names on the list.

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southgate >>>> vieira

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I don't disagree.

jeffk said:

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He doesn't. Neither does anyone on the realistic finalist list that's floating around.

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You're right.

I'll probably get run out on a rail for even suggesting it, but if we're gonna get stuck with a cheap/easy pick, I want Dolo. Yeah, he'd be an MLS guy, but at least he's one that actually got trophies at that level. He might not be a "serial winner," but he's at least a winner at the level he's at. I really don't understand the slander on twitter for him (other than the fact that if we had hired him quickly, it would signal this wasn't a real search).

It would be a disappointing hire, but one I could see working out and get behind.

Honestly the"realistic" hire I want the least is Southgate. We'd likely have to pay a lot. He's already proven he can't win trophies at the international level when he had gobs of talent at his disposal- what on earth makes anyone think he'll do better here?

At least with all the other guys you can say "maybe they'll be better at the international level." It really is different, so that could be true. With him, we know exactly what he is at the international level.

The counter argument to Southgate is that he's proven that he can take a country to QFs, semis, and finals on the regular when they haven't reached those heights in decades. And let's be honest, I have no realistic expectation of winning a WC or anything. That is not the bar we should be setting. If any coach could get us to a QF, I'd be very happy. A semi and I'd probably pass out and slip into a coma for 2 months.

Yes, England are uber talented. And yes, their football in this years Euros was abysmal. But they've always been uber talented and still unable to get past the QFs (go look at some of those late 90s, early 00s rosters...loaded) and Southgate's football was not nearly as bad 2 or 4 years ago as it was 2 weeks ago.

I'm not saying that Southgate is a great coach. I'm not even saying I want him to be the USMNT manager. He's a vibes guy whose success came from letting the England players vibe. He's not an especially good tactician. But I do think a lot of recency bias is at play here if we are putting his credentials up against say Cherundolo's or a lot of other names I've seen thrown around.

To me, price is a big factor… what do you think we'd be paying for Southgate? I'm thinking we'd be paying $4MM+. At that price point, a lot of doors open up, including the manager that just beat him.

Also… for any other cycle, I would agree with you regarding expectations management. But for 2026, we need to get a guy who is going to:

A) play exciting soccer in Nations League and Gold Cup, to drum up media excitement and fan interest. We need highlights of lots of goals and trophies on Sportscenter to get casuals interested before the WC comes.

B) Put us in the best position to win the thing in front of a home crowd.

The more and more I think about it, Oscar Pareja is the right man for the USMNT.

He played on the Colombian NT back in the day. Sucks he backed up some all-time greats during that period and didn't make the 1994 World Cup roster (also some soccer politics going on there too with the Narco wars and soccer ownership).

He coached in the USYNT system and in MLS and he has a track record with some of these young players. He's very adept at playing the style of play this team needs to be playing:
-Hard-working
-High-pressure
-Counter-attacking
-Turnover creating
-Speed oriented

And his teams in MLS have been very crafty with high soccer IQ. Combining some of that South American soccer IQ he brings with that American grit and determination would be a great mix.

We don't need that possession-based style GGG was trying to force into this team. We need the style Pareja would bring.

I wouldn't mind Bielsa (Leeds was super fun to watch when he was there) or Miguel "Piojo" Herrera either.

Alas, I still think it's gonna be an Englishman or someone with extensive EPL connections. The guy hiring is too basic to think of what the USMNT actual needs.

I really don't care too much about price if I'm honest. Say it's 4 million...if that's what it takes to get a QF appearance then fine. Would rather pay 4 million for a QF appearance than 1 million for a Rof16. And it doesn't much matter if the guy that beat Southgate gets paid less than that if the guy that beats Southgate isn't interested in the job. Pep might manage Spain for $10 some day but that doesn't mean he'll manage the US for $10.

In regards to A and B, I really don't think we're at the point where we need to worry about drumming up support amongst casual fans. I think they'll keep an eye out on the team come the first group stage game no matter what. And the media attention around the team will be there regardless of whether they'll kicking ass and taking names or sucking...maybe even more so if they are sucking. And even if we are kicking ass and taking names, we have next to no chance of winning the thing.

Yeah, we're going to spend somewhere around $3-5 million I think. But spending that type money isn't an issue for the federation and it's weird that folks keep insisting that it is. Now $10 million for Pep or Klopp… that's a different story.

Yep. $150 million organization with $20 million in cash on hand. They can swing $4 million easily.

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zgolfz85 said:

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Having said that, he's still better than Gregg

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Barely…

Patrick Vieira’s record against Jesse Marsch and Gregg Berhalter.

11 goals scored against Marsch and 24 conceded
17 goals scored against Berhalter and 15 conceded. pic.twitter.com/qPe9StT5CQ

— Tactical Manager (@ManagerTactical) July 18, 2024

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Can we stop linking this dip****s Twitter?

jeffk said:

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Yeah, we're going to spend somewhere around $3-5 million I think. But spending that type money isn't an issue for the federation and it's weird that folks keep insisting that it is. Now $10 million for Pep or Klopp… that's a different story.

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I agree that the folks blaming it on equal pay are barking up the wrong tree… but this Fed reminds me of MLS. They seem more interested in investing in new facilities in Georgia than they do about investing in football.

Can we pay $3-$5MM? Absolutely. But until we do, I assume we'll just go cheap.

If they are opening the checkbook, then I hope they're not gonna just be lazy and grab Southgate because Crocker knows him well and he's available. Very few international coaches make more than $4MM, so I would hope we get someone that makes most reasonable folks happy if we go that high.

I don't like him either, but when the pro-Vieira crowd is hangin their hat on the fact that NYC loves him, and that's been his best coaching gig, these stats aren't irrelevant.

Vieira?

jeffk said:

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Yeah, we're going to spend somewhere around $3-5 million I think. But spending that type money isn't an issue for the federation and it's weird that folks keep insisting that it is. Now $10 million for Pep or Klopp… that's a different story.

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I'll believe it when I see it.

I think I beat the Pareja drum a bit before we hired GGG for all the aforementioned reasons. The guy is a great coach, players will respect him (many will be familiar with him), and he would have a full understanding of USMNT system and the US player pool.

Unfortunately this organization didn't give him the time of day last time and I have no faith they'll conduct a real search this time around.

He fits my desire to get a guy with a trophy.

I have preferences about what trophy that might be, and the US Open Cup certainly isn't near the top of that list… but at the end of the day, I just want a guy who's actually been successful at a competition and won something. Seems simple, right?

Also - I have a strong suspicion that having a coach who looks and sounds like most of the CONCACAF refs would be beneficial. In a perfect world, it wouldn't matter, but human nature makes me think we might have a few more close calls go our way if we had a coach from Central or South America.

The biggest thing that Pareja brings is internal confidence. He's sure of himself. You get that coming up from the slum of Medellin and coming out alive after playing multiple games against Pablo Escobar. The energy from a confident coach trickles down to the staff and then the players after that. Klopp transitioned Liverpool from perennial underachievers who always pointed fingers at everyone else to a confident, "get after it" team just by his energy and belief.

Foreal! That's what I'm about…

Just wear a shirt with a damn collar!!!

Milwaukees Best Light said:

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Just wear a shirt with a damn collar!!!

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Your bar is so high.

Milwaukees Best Light said:

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Just wear a shirt with a damn collar!!!

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MBL dodged a bullet when Klopp said no thanks.

To add to this info on the USMNT 🇺🇸 Coaching search.

-Meetings with potential coaches wrapping up in the next 1-2 weeks.
-Deal hopefully wrapped up sometime in August.
-If something isn't done by end of August, likely USSF is going further down the list.

Just what we're… https://t.co/oS0RlDUVWr

— 11 Yanks (@11Yanks) July 26, 2024

who dis?

🚨🔴⚪️🔵 Pellegrino Matarazzo, one of the top favorites to become the new U.S. men's national soccer team!

The 46 y/o, currently under contract at TSG Hoffenheim until 2025.

Matarazzo has informed TSG about the interest. After that, talks with him have taken place. There is… pic.twitter.com/Rkt5pGYwmQ

— Florian Plettenberg (@Plettigoal) August 3, 2024

As a Bundesliga follower, I'm not super pumped.

It's probably wrong for me to base my opinion of him on this, but Stuttgart struggled to stay above the relegation line under his watch, and just a season and a half later, they're up above the Champions League line with largely the same players.

He seems like a great guy and players seem to like him, but his coaching resume is super light… this feels like a fallback option to appease the MLS-haters.

That said, I like him a lot better than Ggg, so I won't be pissed if this is where we end up.

I'll take that Klopp feller...

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I'll take that Klopp feller...

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Too late...Shakhtar Donetsk just hired Klopp.

😅 Ні, це не Юрген Клопп 😉

⚒ Це наш масажист-реабілітолог Ігор Гршкович 🧡#Shakhtar pic.twitter.com/RZip9ckCMY

— ⚒FC SHAKHTAR DONETSK (@FCShakhtar) August 1, 2024

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I'll take that Klopp feller...

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Nope. He wears tshirts and sneakers.

I find it interesting that arguably the best available coach in the world is such persona-non-grata here that nobody ever even mentions him.

JJxvi said:

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I find it interesting that arguably the best available coach in the world is such persona-non-grata here that nobody ever even mentions him.

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I'll bite. Who?

Ok fine I'll allow the Zinadine Zidane hire