General EPL Discussion/Housery Thread

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I've found a video of the Man City home supporters section for next year:
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Don't worry, help is already underway for your travel plans in the unlikely event there are Man City fans in Ireland; the Dublin Airport's official Twitter account has you covered:
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What is funny is seeing Newcastle fans out there on social media defending City more than I see City fans.

Makes sense. They could be much further along in their ascension to a top team if not for the red cartel rules.
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In other news….


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So when does Everton get docked points for this?
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Artorias said:

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Oh well, they should be able to borrow and spend as much as they ever want. They are a golden child.
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Already soft-launching a pivot to "I'm really a Newcastle fan" once your worthless little fake joke of a club gets expelled. You love to see it. Are the odds higher that City gets relegated than Tottenham now?

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Blue is the only color I will ever be when it comes to EPL.

Let's see why its a "FAKE" club. Well because they spent too much money that only big red cartel clubs should be able to spend. That makes them fake.
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Are you an Aggie? Would you mind reciting the Aggie code of honor? How does that go again?
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Texaggie7nine said:

Blue is the only color I will ever be when it comes to EPL.

Let's see why its a "FAKE" club. Well because they spent too much money that only big red cartel clubs should be able to spend. That makes them fake.


We get it. Your sovereign wealth fund gives you mountains of cash to spend. You have plenty of $$. It's the spending more than the rules allow and hiding it, getting caught, dragging it out to get out of the penalties, and then getting caught AGAIN doing the same thing.

You can't possibly defend that. Every other club busted the first time gets some penalty. Including getting hammered. City just laughs and holds up middle fingers and spends another $100MM under the table.

I'm not even saying the rules make sense or are designed to be fair. They aren't. They are rigged to keep clubs down and stay out of the way of certain older clubs. And they should be fixed to level the playing field. Freely admitted. That doesn't make the cheating right.
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Are you an Aggie? Would you mind reciting the Aggie code of honor? How does that go again?

I didn't cheat, and by my measure, the FFP is nothing but corrupt cheating by the Red cartel. So I don't care if that rule is broken.
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Mathguy64 said:

Texaggie7nine said:

Blue is the only color I will ever be when it comes to EPL.

Let's see why its a "FAKE" club. Well because they spent too much money that only big red cartel clubs should be able to spend. That makes them fake.


We get it. Your sovereign wealth fund gives you mountains of cash to spend. You have plenty of $$. It's the spending more than the rules allow and hiding it, getting caught, dragging it out to get out of the penalties, and then getting caught AGAIN doing the same thing.

You can't possibly defend that. Every other club busted the first time gets some penalty. Including getting hammered. City just laughs and holds up middle fingers and spends another $100MM under the table.

I'm not even saying the rules make sense or are designed to be fair. They aren't. They are rigged to keep clubs down and stay out of the way of certain older clubs. And they should be fixed to level the playing field. Freely admitted. That doesn't make the cheating right.

And we didn't even outspend some clubs. Like the whole thing is a joke.
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What about tolerating those who do? Is there anything about tolerating those who do? I understand that you don't like the rules that were broken, but City did get a copy of the rules, no? And if someone broke the rules 114 times (admittedly, down from 115), it would be fair to say breaking rules habitually when they knew the rules, that would kind of make them cheaters under any reasonable definition?

It is OK, though. You don't have to answer, we already kind of know you will do some gold medal mental gymnastics to convince yourself that you aren't a hypocrite.
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The bullshi*t part of it is that City were so brazen about it.

if they could have kept that crap on the down low, Newcastle could already have a CL title or two.

*****s.
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Texaggie7nine said:

Mathguy64 said:

Texaggie7nine said:

Blue is the only color I will ever be when it comes to EPL.

Let's see why its a "FAKE" club. Well because they spent too much money that only big red cartel clubs should be able to spend. That makes them fake.


We get it. Your sovereign wealth fund gives you mountains of cash to spend. You have plenty of $$. It's the spending more than the rules allow and hiding it, getting caught, dragging it out to get out of the penalties, and then getting caught AGAIN doing the same thing.

You can't possibly defend that. Every other club busted the first time gets some penalty. Including getting hammered. City just laughs and holds up middle fingers and spends another $100MM under the table.

I'm not even saying the rules make sense or are designed to be fair. They aren't. They are rigged to keep clubs down and stay out of the way of certain older clubs. And they should be fixed to level the playing field. Freely admitted. That doesn't make the cheating right.

And we didn't even outspend some clubs. Like the whole thing is a joke.

Got found cheating and the only defense is that other clubs spent more money.
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CrockerAg98 said:

The bullshi*t part of it is that City were so brazen about it.

if they could have kept that crap on the down low, Newcastle could already have a CL title or two.

*****s.

Were they though? We don't have any full report out. It all started from hacked emails.

Until all the info comes out, the appeals are dealt with, we can't really say.

If they indeed made obvious violations that were easy to spot, then I will be just as mad at the Shiek and his crew for being so careless. I'm never going to be upset that they spent money when it's not even more than other teams spent.
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So you aren't mad they cheated. You are mad they got caught.

That's rich.
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Mathguy64 said:

So you aren't mad they cheated. You are mad they got caught.

That's rich.

Why would I be mad they didn't follow a rule that is nothing but unfair and meant to keep any teams that aren't Arsenal, United or Liverpool from ever being as big of clubs as they are?
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City are accused of multiple instances of hiding payments made to managers, agents, etc. in such a way that actual expenses were much higher than reported expenses. If the reports are true, they've been found guilty of that.

In any other business, that would be financial fraud that would land you in jail. But if you're a City fan, it's a glorious fight against the establishment. What a complete embarrassment it is to defend that. It's telling that many of the City fans who were fans pre-Abu Dhabi are indeed embarrassed by their club and the ones that weren't, aren't.
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Artorias said:

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As a publicly traded company, can be pretty certain that their reported spendings are accurate. And if they aren't, the owners will have to deal with the SEC which will be a much more painful experience than any of the EPL repercussions.
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Texaggie7nine said:

Showstopper said:

Are you an Aggie? Would you mind reciting the Aggie code of honor? How does that go again?

I didn't cheat, and by my measure, the FFP is nothing but corrupt cheating by the Red cartel. So I don't care if that rule is broken.


OK great. Now explain the rules violations that occurred before FFP/PSR/SSR was even a thing.
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When City changed ownership, UEFA FFP style rules were just starting to be implemented.

Why else would they do any of that?
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You've been brainwashed.

There's plenty of legitimate ways that owners can invest in the club and grow revenue and/or build a player pool.

The two biggest are facilities and academies. They're completely exempt from investment regulations. Owners can dump piles of money into these.

Facilities can organically increase revenue and improve training/fitness. Build luxury boxes. Build concessions. Expand the stadium and make it safe for away fans/neutrals.

Academy investment can give you access to more players and generate proper money in player sales. This approach also would've done wonders for sportswashing, as fans will frequently hold their nose and praise even rival clubs for having good academies and thereby providing opportunities for local/national youth and growing the game in the country.

The crux is that these legitimate strategies take some time, but City's owners weren't patient.
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I wonder if they'll go as far as forcing the sale of the club. Owners have to pass tests and ethics stuff before being allowed to buy a club. This is obviously in clear violation of that. On top of fines and point deductions, we could see them lose the whole club.
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deadbq03 said:

You've been brainwashed.

There's plenty of legitimate ways that owners can invest in the club and grow revenue and/or build a player pool.

The two biggest are facilities and academies. They're completely exempt from investment regulations. Owners can dump piles of money into these.

Facilities can organically increase revenue and improve training/fitness. Build luxury boxes. Build concessions. Expand the stadium and make it safe for away fans/neutrals.

Academy investment can give you access to more players and generate proper money in player sales. This approach also would've done wonders for sportswashing, as fans will frequently hold their nose and praise even rival clubs for having good academies and thereby providing opportunities for local/national youth and growing the game in the country.

The crux is that these legitimate strategies take some time, but City's owners weren't patient.



All that BS doesn't sign KDB. Doesnt sign Halaand. Its all BS to keep the red cartel unchallenged.
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Fab Romano getting taken down as well. I thought it started to become evident he was getting paid to big up some teams and throw shade at others. The way he's handled this news on Man Dhabi shows pretty clearly he's been on their dole.
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Texaggie7nine said:

When City changed ownership, UEFA FFP style rules were just starting to be implemented.

Why else would they do any of that?


Wait, I thought it was the "red cartel's" fault? Now it's UEFA's fault? Or is your contention that the big EPL clubs forced UEFA to adopt FFP and then forced the EPL to adopt it 6 years later? Maybe good to know that UEFA didn't actually implement FFP until 2011-12. So you're saying they had to start breaking the rules in 2009 so that they could be prepared to properly break them in 2011 when Manchester United and Co. forced UEFA to adopt FFP?

You need to work on your lies before you start committing them to the general conversation.
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If the charges are only ways to avoid spending limits why else would they break any rules? They all have to do with misrepresenting and concealing where sponsor money comes from and some under the table pay that all clubs do.
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Well, those were the rules. 114 of them. If you don't like a competition's rules, you don't have to participate in the competition. Hopefully you will soon have the opportunity to explore that path, either voluntarily or involuntarily.
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Texaggie7nine said:

If the charges are only ways to avoid spending limits why else would they break any rules? They all have to do with misrepresenting and concealing where sponsor money comes from and some under the table pay that all clubs do.


The PSR rules were put in place because of of clubs going bankrupt due to over spending.

Many of the charges predate those rules and are due to league rules requiring accurate reporting of finances.
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Texaggie7nine said:

If the charges are only ways to avoid spending limits why else would they break any rules? They all have to do with misrepresenting and concealing where sponsor money comes from and some under the table pay that all clubs do.
Actually a huge chunk of the charges have to do with failure to cooperate with the investigation, which speaks volumes.

And most of what I've seen says that that's what's really going to kill them. It's not the actual spending or financial shenanigans that's truly upsetting league officials, but rather it's the lengths taken to cover it up and then refuse to cooperate.
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Texaggie7nine said:

If the charges are only ways to avoid spending limits why else would they break any rules? They all have to do with misrepresenting and concealing where sponsor money comes from and some under the table pay that all clubs do.


Man I have no idea why they broke the rules but it's clear you don't even know what you're defending. You probably heard a bunch of people say the phrase "red cartel" and thought it sounded cool. Then you wanted to try and convince yourself that the team you chose to support wasn't scummy so you came up with a litany of flimsy logic that doesn't hold any water when put under even the slightest bit of interrogation.

Maybe give a quick Google of "Roberto Mancini Man City allegations" so you at least know what (and pay real close attention to the when as well) you have to try and rationalize before you concoct your false logic. I mean if you're going to create a lie, at least make sure the lie makes sense.
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Dre_00 said:

Texaggie7nine said:

If the charges are only ways to avoid spending limits why else would they break any rules? They all have to do with misrepresenting and concealing where sponsor money comes from and some under the table pay that all clubs do.


Man I have no idea why they broke the rules but it's clear you don't even know what you're defending. You probably heard a bunch of people say the phrase "red cartel" and thought it sounded cool. Then you wanted to try and convince yourself that the team you chose to support wasn't scummy so you came up with a litany of flimsy logic that doesn't hold any water when put under even the slightest bit of interrogation.

Maybe give a quick Google of "Roberto Mancini Man City allegations" so you at least know what (and pay real close attention to the when as well) you have to try and rationalize before you concoct your false logic. I mean if you're going to create a lie, at least make sure the lie makes sense.



Give me one single motivation beyond skirting FFP and PSR to any of it.
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To fight the dubious "red cartel" of course.
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So it's to spend money they aren't allowed to spend but manuer can.
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