Wish we had gotten selected for this one. We get to go to the beautiful Davis California the first weekend of spring break, and have a high schoool game the tuesday after.
What age group?Ags-R-Better said:
We are at a Hilton in La Jolla. Yea, we should have a lot more free time to check out some of the major touristy things. Thanks for the heads up on parking, hopefully being the early games will help with that situation.
We have games against Washington Premier, Arizona Arsenal, and Slammers…our girls have had a tough stretch of games to start the season going through the Dallas and Oklahoma teams so far, so I am hoping for good but winnable games so they can get some mojo coming back to league play.
Chuck Cunningham said:
First month into high school season and have 2 ACLS. One includes broken fibula and partial MCL.
Both play 5A and both cases were inferior opponents who their only change was to hack them.
Something to be said about not playing beneath your level.
Have y'all dealt with this before?
Both were contact injuries because they couldn't win the ball any other way.King Koda said:
Usually, there is a lot of different parameters that go into these injuries. I've seen flurries happen most often around the U15/U16 age group after the girls have gone through puberty. I would also assume y'all are playing on turf for high school as opposed to grass for club. Those two combinations are where they happen most often. Did the contact cause the injuries, or was it just a rough game and they happened with little to no contact?
Data compiled for the NFL and NFLPA shows that injury rates on non-contact injuries to lower extremities are statistically the same on artificial turf vs. natural surfaces. Important context in the ongoing debate. pic.twitter.com/DAsPWBEdqC
— Kevin Seifert (@SeifertESPN) November 9, 2022
That's weird. I saw a study that provided the exact opposite result.Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
It's my understanding that turf isn't the issue it used to be. The tweet below doesn't end the discussion but it does make some interesting points. I'll also say that grass playing fields in the Houston area tend to be inferior to those in Dallas.Data compiled for the NFL and NFLPA shows that injury rates on non-contact injuries to lower extremities are statistically the same on artificial turf vs. natural surfaces. Important context in the ongoing debate. pic.twitter.com/DAsPWBEdqC
— Kevin Seifert (@SeifertESPN) November 9, 2022
The age of the turf could be an issue and definitely contact leads to problems. It's a rarity that we go to a game where at least one girl isn't wearing a knee brace from some sort of surgery or is on crutches. But I remember that being a major issue about 15-20 years ago when many of the fields were still grass as well. Turf might lead to more injuries but I would also say that physiology isn't in the girl's favor either.King Koda said:
I'm not sure comparing NFL players and the type of turf they play on is equivalent to high school aged soccer girls playing on turf which may be 15-20 years old and not the highest of quality, but it's nice to see the NFL has cleaned up their issues. Three of the last four ACLs I've seen were on turf and minor contact at best. My oldest daughter constantly draws 8-10 fouls and usually a yellow card a game whether high school or ECNL. Luckily, her high school coach is willing to pull her out of the game, if necessary, to protect her. There is also enough talent around her to keep her from being the sole focus of aggressiveness.
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3) HS soccer is typically more brutal than high-level club ball when it comes to hard tackles causing injuries (obv there's a lot of exceptions both directions)
Chuck Cunningham said:Both were contact injuries because they couldn't win the ball any other way.King Koda said:
Usually, there is a lot of different parameters that go into these injuries. I've seen flurries happen most often around the U15/U16 age group after the girls have gone through puberty. I would also assume y'all are playing on turf for high school as opposed to grass for club. Those two combinations are where they happen most often. Did the contact cause the injuries, or was it just a rough game and they happened with little to no contact?
And yeah, turf scare the hell out of me.
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3) HS soccer is typically more brutal than high-level club ball when it comes to hard tackles causing injuries (obv there's a lot of exceptions both directions)
That's my experience with my daughter playing JV2 on one of the top programs in the state. The girls they play against just aren't as skilled and do what they can to stop my daughters team.
This is a program that has 2 state titles and should compete for state the next 3 years since our best varsity players are mostly sophomores.jeffk said:Chuck Cunningham said:Quote:
3) HS soccer is typically more brutal than high-level club ball when it comes to hard tackles causing injuries (obv there's a lot of exceptions both directions)
That's my experience with my daughter playing JV2 on one of the top programs in the state. The girls they play against just aren't as skilled and do what they can to stop my daughters team.
Wanted to just say that JV can be similarly tough in even the best programs around the state. Even at some of the best schools around, you'll usually have some great young players, some raw, but really athletic players who might excel at other sports, and a handful of "filler" players who are on the squad to get numbers where they need to be. My last HS coaching spot, our school's girls varsity team (which was typically one of the top in the state) would regularly scrimmage my JV boys teams to play against faster, more physical competition. It was a calculated risk - the better competition helped them prepare, but also could have led to some injuries. There were a couple of boys that I "banned" from these scrimmages as they couldn't be trusted to not push things too far.
Exactly.jeffk said:
Similar setup to what we had at that school I referenced earlier… and there's only maybe 10-15 schools that have that kind of talent depth in the state (by my estimation anyway).
It's a tough spots to be in for sure. Your competition (especially sub-varsity) is going to have far more raw or filler kids than you will.
Pretty much how it's done in North Texas.jeffk said:
Also, shout-out to coaches who remember to go with JV-A/B instead of having a Freshman team.
I'm currently coaching JVB and the disparity is crazy. I'm in a big district that is traditionally strong in girls' soccer and we've not been scored on yet, even after playing some JVAs. There will be a few teams that push us but some teams just don't have enough true soccer players to make it work.jeffk said:
Also, shout-out to coaches who remember to go with JV-A/B instead of having a Freshman team.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:I'm currently coaching JVB and the disparity is crazy. I'm in a big district that is traditionally strong in girls' soccer and we've not been scored on yet, even after playing some JVAs. There will be a few teams that push us but some teams just don't have enough true soccer players to make it work.jeffk said:
Also, shout-out to coaches who remember to go with JV-A/B instead of having a Freshman team.
It's going to get worse because we're a young school and all of the players in our program are at minimum good. To play varsity means you have to be really good and it's the first time some of our girls are sitting the bench.