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FC Dallas at Nashville on ESPN+.

Given they haven't had a game in month's, I think Nashville needs some Aggies to take care of the pitch. looks worn.

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you have it the other way around. this game is at Frisco

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Ferg said:

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FC Dallas at Nashville on ESPN+.

Given they haven't had a game in month's, I think Nashville needs some Aggies to take care of the pitch. looks worn.

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you have it the other way around. this game is at Frisco

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Texas heat. That explains it. My lawn looks pretty rough also.

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PatAg said:

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Ferg said:

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FC Dallas at Nashville on ESPN+.

Given they haven't had a game in month's, I think Nashville needs some Aggies to take care of the pitch. looks worn.

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you have it the other way around. this game is at Frisco

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Then there is no excuse!!!!!

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Yea, im not sure what's up. Usually it looks good.
They also always basically drench the field right before the game starts and at halftime

And of course its 100 degrees today for maybe the third time all season.

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And of course its 100 degrees today for maybe the third time all season.

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Nice looking stadium though.

Naturally the ESPN headline today is about some fans booing kneeling players. The media is so damn useless

I mean, that's newsworthy.

Definitely newsworthy. I'm glad Reggie Cannon didn't hold back.

Reggie, people can Boo your stance just like you can kneel. Maybe both sides are "disgusting" and acting with disrespect.

Its going to be the same at football, basketball, hockey, etc. There are going to be people that boo kneeling for the anthem.

If they want to kneel so badly, do it like the PL did. A brief 5-10 secs right at the start then get on with it. Won't be any booing if it wasn't during the national anthem.

Given the amount of international games played, I've wondered what the potential issues will be for non-Americans kneeling during the US national anthem. Is it similarly appropriate for Americans to kneel during national anthems of foreign countries when the same political agenda applies? Can you imagine a USMNT player kneeling during the Mexican National Anthem at Azteca?

They dont play the national anthem in English football so that was really the only opportunity they had to do it. If they did I'm sure it would be the same.

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Reggie, people can Boo your stance just like you can kneel. Maybe both sides are "disgusting" and acting with disrespect.

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I agree completely. Cannon is a tool and a hypocrite. Cries when people don't agree with his beliefs and they demonstrate against his demonstration.

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Given the amount of international games played, I've wondered what the potential issues will be for non-Americans kneeling during the US national anthem. Is it similarly appropriate for Americans to kneel during national anthems of foreign countries when the same political agenda applies? Can you imagine a USMNT player kneeling during the Mexican National Anthem at Azteca?

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This is an interesting question, because the anthem (to me) takes on an entirely different meaning for national team games. I'm completely fine with what the guys did yesterday, but I would not be fine if our U.S. team kneeled for the anthem on the international stage.

And I know this is just one opinion... but I don't think we need the national anthem at a regular season matchup between FC Dallas and Nashville. It wasn't that long ago that the anthem was only reserved for big sporting events, and having it shoehorned into every gathering with 100+ people can sometimes cause more problems than needed.

International games are different, imo. Wearing the crest has weight. (but then doesn't the kneeling mean even more?? I really havent wrapped my head fully around teh issue). And this was the first game back for both teams so those players had not had a chance to express themselves while watching their fellow players over the last month. And this was the first game with fans so it's the first chance for public response.

But I still find it weird that players from other countries kneel during our anthem. Could you imagine a black American player kneeling during the Mexican national anthem, Italian national anthem, Turkish anthem or Scottish anthem (assuming they are played) even in solidarity with his fellow players? I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable going to another country and kneeling during that country's anthem. Maybe I put too much emphasis on a song.

That being said it's actually kinda awesome that we live in country where kneeling during the anthem, even for non-Americans, is kinda "OK."

Yeah, I think there's a key point of disagreement with the kneeling that isn't going to be easily reconciled between parties. One group would say kneeling during the anthem is protesting specific societal issues that exist in America and no general disrespect is directed at the country as a whole, while the other group would say that the act of kneeling during the anthem is in itself disrespectful to the nation regardless of the kneeler's intent.

National team events are an interesting situation. We've had players kneel or not be on the field during the national anthem in NT matches before and it did feel very different to me due to the international context. I know the Olympics has prohibited protesting actions during competitions before, but I don't know how that'll play out in the future. Club matches in Europe so far have featured the players kneeling right before the opening kickoff, but there's no anthems played, so no idea which standard will be adopted once international competitions start up.

I'm also fine not having the national anthem played at the beginning of every sporting event. I coached in a district that insisted it was played before every competition. So we trotted our 7th grade C teams out to line up and listen to the anthem twice a week. It's a weirdly American thing, in my opinion.

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It's a weirdly American thing, in my opinion.

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I'm certain in it is. Kinda like cheerleaders

Ra Ra Ree, kick em in the knee!
Ra Ra Rass, don't you dare take another knee!

The black lives matter tshirts are disgusting IMO....Newsworthy that people don't like the kneeling really? Cannon is a baby cry more baby.


Did yall know this? I mean the anthem is now controversial? Its not about the anthem hmm mm uhm

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The anthem was not played before games at the tournament. Cannon said the players had asked that it not be played before the game because they didn't feel it was right "for the anthem to be played in this moment."

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the fact that you'd make an effort to get out to watch a game in a league that's been actively involved in protesting racism and then decide the first thing you're going to do is boo is...yeah.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the fact that you'd make an effort to get out to watch a game in a league that's been actively involved in protesting racism and then decide the first thing you're going to do is boo is...yeah.

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oh so protest is good just as long as its the kind that I you agree with. Got it

Also, Frisco is not exactly inner city Dallas you think people from Oak cliff are going to FC Dallas games?

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fig96 said:

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the fact that you'd make an effort to get out to watch a game in a league that's been actively involved in protesting racism and then decide the first thing you're going to do is boo is...yeah.

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oh so protest is good just as long as its the kind that I you agree with. Got it

Also, Frisco is not exactly inner city Dallas you think people from Oak cliff are going to FC Dallas games?

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How did you come to that conclusion from what they wrote? Did you just have a response pretyped to press enter on no matter what someone said back to you?

huh talking about the people in the stands they honestly feel different than Cannon no? are they not allowed to voice their feelings?

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huh talking about the people in the stands they honestly feel different than Cannon no? are they not allowed to voice their feelings?

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Literal first phrase of the post: "Everyone is entitled to their opinion".

I just find it odd that a person would choose to go to a game and boo when they're most likely well aware of the league and team's attitudes towards the BLM movement.

It also sounds like you might be shocked to find that even in the suburbs there are people with different views on social issues.

Is booing during the anthem more or less disrespectful than kneeling during the anthem?

I love the soccer I don't care for the BLM stuff should I not attend? Again this is Frisco which is largely conservative in nature not sure why people would find any of this surprising.? Also, did you know some people who are liberal and dems don't like the kneeling either?

Plus Mr. Cannon has had a pretty privileged life so its ironic his angst.

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They dont play the national anthem in English football so that was really the only opportunity they had to do it. If they did I'm sure it would be the same.

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Thank God they kneeled so now people know we have this horrible race problem. Heroes.

Has someone considered maybe they were saying Boo-urn? As in Dallas Booo-urn.

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Is booing during the anthem more or less disrespectful than kneeling during the anthem?

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Can both be improper? If I had been there I sure would have been internally sighing



but when the booing starts I'd go full on Dark Helmet

No offense or anything, I just chuckle every time I see "Mr. White" chime in on a conversation involving Black Lives Matter.

If your impulse to go see your team for the first time in 14 months and go boo them then hey, knock yourself out

I find booing in general kind of classless no matter what the occasion and, again, that it's a little odd that if you had strong feelings about the matter you'd go to a game knowing the team and league's stance.

I am aware that people have a variety of opinions on issues, I'm also not the one who insinuated that the stadium attendees not being a minority population meant there wouldn't be support for BLM. It's also interesting that people of color face discrimination no matter what their economic status.

But yes, your passion for soccer is evidenced by your 90:1 post ratio between the Politics board and here.

You realize that English players aren't kneeling for America's problems right?

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No offense or anything, I just chuckle every time I see "Mr. White" chime in on a conversation involving Black Lives Matter.

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Joe Cabot chose his name so no one fights over who gets Mr. Black. And Mr. Brown is little too close to Mr. *****

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You realize that English players aren't kneeling for America's problems right?

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Meant to quote someone else's re: FCD

Reggie has the right to kneel, others have the right to not like it and boo. So what. He is being a typical closed-minded bigoted liberal if he can't take it.

Bottom line, the vast majority of people in EVERY country think it is unpatriotic to make a political statement against the flag of that country thereby making political statements against that country.

I saw someone post that it isn't a protest against the flag or against the national anthem. I'd like to find that person and beat them over the head with a baseball bat, all the while telling them I am not beating them with a baseball bat.... so it must be true.

It's like we need a constitutional amendment for people to realize you don't have the right to not be offended.

I recommend Reggie go play in England or Italy if he wants to see and experience true racism. He could play 5000 games in the U.S. and would not be the "victim" of a racist incident while playing. In England or Italy within the first month he would have monkey noises made at him or straight up someone would scream at him and call him a n****r. That is based on my having attended a multitude of games in Europe. You will hear every racial and nationality/xenophobic epithet yelled at the player..... even by the home fans yelling it at their own players when they make a mistake or don't give full effort.

The beautiful game....

This is a lot to sift through, and it goes in a handful of directions... but best I can tell, you managed to demand that others not be closed-minded or offended while typing a handful of sentences that made you sound very closed-minded and offended.

Tough to do. Nice work.