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ni4ni
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This is the year. The schedule be dammed. No more excuses.

It is time for Fran to deliver some hardware.

The schedule may be easier in 2006 but the shoe will be on the other foot as we will have a first time starter at QB and every other team in the South will have their experienced QB back from this season. There will be plenty of available excuses for 2006 in the form of 17 Srs gone from this year’s team and an inexperienced QB. The Nebraska is back after a couple of great recruiting classes excuse may well be available in 2006 and 2007 as a bonus.

The stars will not align for both schedule and experience until McGee’s Sr. season in 2008.

[This message has been edited by ni4ni (edited 7/25/2005 6:53p).]
stick95
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It is time for Fran to deliver some hardware.

Or what?

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ni4ni
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or we will get more excuses.
got1forya
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I can't say that I have ever posted on the football board before, but I just can't let this one go. I want to see the Ags win the big twelve and MNC as much as anyone. Lets be realistic: The seniors are still RC's players,
the JR's were committed to RC and stayed with their commits, the fresh.and soph. many were redshirted and have only 1 maybe two years playing time, and the best class isnt even here yet.

Now lets look at the fact that we have to not only overcome a recruiting deficeit but we have to do it competeing against t u and OU who are loaded.

Granted OU did it in two years, but it has taken tu and tres Mac six years and how many great classes to get to a point this year were anybody even thinks they have a good shot at the MNC.

I believe that good coaching can bring medium talent and inexperience to a higher level.
But when your best talent is still frshman and sophmores you still have growing to do.

I think we just need to sit back look for steady growth, keep the pressure to a minimum, and know that the future is very bright.


ni4ni
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Are we on the 6 year plan?

Sit back and wait for 2008?
superdales
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Wait - are you saying we can't win with RC's recruits? Wow. Who's recruits did we win the Big 12 with in '98?
bullard21k
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Are we on the 6 year plan?

Well considering we havent even started year 3 yet you tell me...
Red Stick Ag
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Personally, I would be glad to give him six years. But in six years I expect to be able to compete with anyone and everyone in the conferecne.
ni4ni
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I believe I previously stated my position is that this is the year.

The question was posed in seeking clarification of the expectations offered in the preceding post.
AnalogyAg
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This probably IS the year. The year we see that the Ags will be able to compete toe to toe with everybody they play. And that's about all we can ask in the BigXII South.

Now, the real question is, can MACK BROWN deliver the hardware. If there's anyone who has to do it this year, it's HIM. 25 years without a conf championship to his name, and now he has almost his entire team back from a one-loss season, OU is losing a ton of players, and the 'sips have a cupcake schedule.
bullard21k
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And i believe it has been previously pointed out that the majority of juniors and seniors on this team are slocums.
NyAggie
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Granted OU did it in two years


OU took only 2 years against a big12 south where osu was terrible, A&M was mediocre and tu was only in year three of building their talent base under brown.

the big12 south was a much different animal back then.

we had ou and tu looking up at us (though tu won the last swc title and first big12 title they were still no better than even with us as a program at the time, and ou was way down) when the big12 was formed but because we let both of those programs pass us by we have a much harder road to the top than they did.

neither one of those teams had to pass up two 10 ten teams in their own division, or any top 10 teams in the b12 south, because there were none.


go back to the beginnings of the big12 and if we had the team we have now, back then, we are the favorites to win the south and go no worse than 9-2.


Tbone
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I don't think it's unrealistic to expect a very competitive team in Fran's 3rd season. Competing for the South is and should be expected.
I certainly don't think we are the front-runner, but we should be competing. No reason you can't be up to speed by year 3. Heck, kids graduate in 4 years. We certainly can't expect contributions from kids who have graduated and moved on.

I'm not foolish enough to expect a National Championship this season, but I DO expect a competitive team.
trt
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vince young will not be back in 06. they lose their entire line, 3 of which will be drafted. they lose 2 top dts and crowder(their best de) will go pro as well due to money issues. 06 is the year.
BurntOrangeMenace
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"and the 'sips have a cupcake schedule."
Hmmm.
@ Ohio State
@ OSU
@ Mizzou
OU @ Dallas
@ A&m
V. Tech
Whatever bowl opponent.

Yeah, a real cupcake schedule there.

Hookem
suture_scissors
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tougher than ours I'd say...

But his point was still correct, IMO.
RandyJohnsonsMullet
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Vince Young WILL be back at tu next year. The NFL is not interested in Vince Young as a QB. The NFL wants people who can throw the ball.
charlie_murphy
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I'm of the opinion that if it doesn't happen this year, it will be a while. So lets take care of business and bring home a big 12 chamionship.
BurntOrangeMenace
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"But his point was still correct, IMO."
And your opinion would be just as wrong.

We play in the Horseshoe for crying out loud. Against an OSU team that is getting more than its share of national title run. Of course, I'm sure there will be no respect at all for the Buckeyes, on this board, should we win. That's more than enough to make for a pretty dang OOC schedule, no matter who the other 2 are. Combine that with a brutal South and a trip to Mizzou and our schedule is pretty salty.

Hookem
WreckingCrue
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didnt he already deliver a better bowl than rcs last 5 seasons.



YBS
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Our talent level only gets deeper by the year. If it's not this year we're constantly getting a better overall team.
AgGrad99
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Wait - are you saying we can't win with RC's recruits? Wow. Who's recruits did we win the Big 12 with in '98?



Well lemme see:
1. He progressively got outrecruited more and more each year....and that was 7 years ago.
2. RC's recruits for RC's system. RC may have won with 'A' type players, but maybe another coach (Fran) needs 'B' type players.
PlanoGuy
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OU took only 2 years against a big12 south where osu was terrible, A&M was mediocre and tu was only in year three of building their talent base under brown.

the big12 south was a much different animal back then.
True but in 2000, OU did have 4 conference wins over top 10 opponents (#11 whorns, #3 KSU, #1 NU and #8 KSU).



“Now that we’ve lost to OU four times in a row, it has gotten huge. But it’s really not about me.” Mack Brown at the 2004 Big XII Media Day

"I'm responsible for this team, so if we lose it's my responsibility" Mack Brown after 5th straight loss to OU
powerbiscuit
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OU did have 4 conference wins over top 10 opponents (#11 whorns


would you like me to explain the concept of 11 is greater than 10 to you?
gonemaroon
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We should be toe to toe with the best in the Big 12 south this season. 3 seasons is enough time to become competitive.
Usually you give coaches 4 years to turn things around, but with Stoops, Carroll, and Tressel... the bar has been raised.
It's about time Texas got a true OC game. Loosing to Stanford, and Arkansas was funny. Playing someone that's actually a top 10 team is even better. Here comes the crying from them... and I don't want to hear it on this board. Texas A&M has signed and played top programs since 98. Has FSU not needed out, we again would have a more difficult schedule.
Back to Fran, this is the season we get back on top of Texas and we match OU blow to blow in their own house. This team isn't going to back down, and McNeal has more weapons than any other QB in the nation.
1876er
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C'mon yall...We all know RC recruited Baylors scrubs...
Aggie_Fanatic
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but it has taken tu and tres Mac six years and how many great classes to get to a point this year were anybody even thinks they have a good shot at the MNC.


got1forya, have you been living with you head in the sand the last 5 years? This is one of the most ignorant things I have ever seen . tu has been picked for the last 5 years to win it. Last year people started jumping off the bandwagon but they have been picked quite often, they just have not delivered.
Austin_Aggie_13
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This is the year. The schedule be dammed. No more excuses.

It is time for Fran to deliver some hardware.

The schedule may be easier in 2006 but the shoe will be on the other foot as we will have a first time starter at QB and every other team in the South will have their experienced QB back from this season. There will be plenty of available excuses for 2006 in the form of 17 Srs gone from this year’s team and an inexperienced QB. The Nebraska is back after a couple of great recruiting classes excuse may well be available in 2006 and 2007 as a bonus.

The stars will not align for both schedule and experience until McGee’s Sr. season in 2008.


Amazing. This doesn't even rise to the level of stupid.

You show that you barely know **** about the team, but you're going to beat your chest and make demands on Fran for "hardware"? Learn something about the team before you deliver your powerless ultimatums, or, please, either follow the Aggies in silence or don't follow them at all.

Let's start with the painfully obvious---the fact that a "starter" and a "senior" are not the same thing. We will not be losing all 17 of the returning starters from last year after this next season.

Do you have the faintest understanding of the hole RC left this program in in terms of talented depth? This team is not anything like the teams that Stoops, Carroll, Saban, and Tressel took over. Those teams all came loaded with good to great talent. Not a similar situation here in 2003. Each of those teams was primed for success. All that was needed was some great coaching. Fran, on the other hand, had to rebuild this program from the bottom up.

Fran's recruits are currently mostly RS freshmen and sophs. We have plenty of older players, but many of our current starters are simply not close to being as talented as their counterparts at Texas and OU. You can ***** if we aren't competing at a very high level when Fran's recruits are mostly upperclassmen.

Furthermore, your fixation on the QB position is silly. You don't need a SR QB or even a superstar QB to be competitive at a high level. Superstar QBs are not nearly as important for championship teams as great lines and great defense (run defense especially). The level of Fran-recruited experienced talent on both sides of the ball in 2006 will more than compensate for the loss of Reggie. Our secondary and o-line especially will both be worlds better a year from now. Depth across the board will be much improved. You can't win championships with just a 1st string.

This year's road schedule is brutal. We still have serious personnel and/or experience issues at too many positions. It is idiotic to expect this team to win the Big 12. Please educate yourself more about this team and about football in general so I don't have to listen to you and your ilk whine and complain for an entire offseason after Fran likely doesn't live up to your absurd and unrealistic expectations this year.

[This message has been edited by Austin_Aggie_13 (edited 7/26/2005 3:26a).]
Austin_Aggie_13
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We should be toe to toe with the best in the Big 12 south this season. 3 seasons is enough time to become competitive.
Usually you give coaches 4 years to turn things around, but with Stoops, Carroll, and Tressel... the bar has been raised.


Ridiculous.

If Fran had anything close to the talent on hand that those three coaches had upon arrival at their schools, then you would have a point.

But he didn't, and you don't.
mccag
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I think your being a little hard on the beve AA13! He is excited, a little over zelous maybe but excited none the less!
ni4ni
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Did I say all of the Seniors were starters?

Did I say all of the starters were Seniors?

Your post does not even rise to the level of stupid.

Please educate yourself.

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We have 18 seniors on this football team on scholarship, which is the most we have had since I have been here

http://sports.tamu.edu/pressRelease.php?PRID=10047

So we are still using the cupboard is bare excuse?

How long until you stop blaming RC?

When does this become Fran's team?


got1forya
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Aggie Fanatic No I dont live with my head in the sand. I live in Austin TX smack in the middle of the orange hype machine and the shadow of orange Jesus.

Did the possibility exist that tu could win it all? Yes. But no one out side of Austin truely believed it.Every year they get hyped up, started quick. stumbled early and then ran head on into an OU wall. A wall that is more of a mental block and a coaching deficiet than anything else.

So the hype that they would win it all came from right here in good ol Austin with very few outside of here thinking it was a possibility.
EMY92
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Just a thought in regard to many of the players being RC's recruits...Didn't Fran win with other coaches recruits at almost every school he has been with?

Fran doesn't have a long track record of bringing in and winning with players that he recruits. In the past, he has left the program for greener pastures.

He is a good recruiter and coach and has shown that he doesn't need "his" players to win in the past, why should we expect that he needs all "his" players at Texas A&M.

I am hoping for a better season than the previous two, but regardless of what happens, I will be supporting the Ags just like I have done since Jackie was the coach.
76Ag
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Don't ya just hate the off season? And people wonder why we waited for NCAA Football 2006 to be released....

"I'd rather be a Texas Aggie"
Old Army 96
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I think that you have to look at this season for the opportunity that it presents. We do have a sr QB with a lot of talent. We have an RB with lots of experience as well as a deep stable of WR's. We return good experience on the OL. We return good experience and depth at the DL. We have great experience and depth at LB. Our safeties are very solid with excellent leadership provided by Appel. And our corners will be very talented but inexperienced. Next year, we will lose tons of Sr Leadership that we certainly want to maximize this year. It's a tough task to go up against the likes of OU, Clemson, ttu, CU, KSU and tu...but we have the players to make a good run for it.
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