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Law Of The Quad
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Sankey and the SEC will lose.
You can't make the rules then change them because one of your coaches found a loophole.

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KatyAggie2000 said:

Well to me it's clear. To be a professional you sign a contract. NCAA and SEC is squared on that. So those that did are out. Those that didn't - tested the waters - can come back. They were never professionals by the definition of signing an NFL contract.

Hutson and the other players went to the NFL with the same intention of becoming a professional. The other players were good enough to be invited to training camp, Hutson was not. How can the SEC say it's OK for Hutson to come back but not the other guys who spent a week in training camp?
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KatyAggie2000 said:

austinag1997 said:

KatyAggie2000 said:

This is awesome...Good for Sankey and the SEC.

It appears the swamp kitties poked the bear a bit too much. Kiffin and LSU are trash.

I wonder if Sankey will allow SEC members to cancel their games against LSU without penalty? Would love to see a 3-game LSU schedule, lmao.


No. That has TV money implications.

Good point. Or they could take the fines from LSU and pay that to the TV providers.


This is going to get ugly if Kiffin rosters that TE tomorrow.
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Ray Baker said:

vander54 said:

Ray Baker said:

usmcbrooks said:

Logos Stick said:

"Children"! LOL

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Sankey faced some spicy cross examination from Tony Clayton, a plaintiff's attorney. Sankey was asked at one point in front of the more than a dozen atheltes athletes: "Should these children be punished…because you changed the rules."





#FL$U wants to win so bad; they are willing to blatantly cheat and rewrite the narrative to do so.

Guy misspelled athletes.......ftw.

That attorney does not represent LSU, he represents the players trying to gain eligibility. The SEC created this mess by enforcing rules for some players and schools and not for others.

who did they not enforce the rules for?

The League followed the court order and allowed Charles Bediako to play for Alabama, they followed the court order allowing Diego Pavia an extra year at Vanderbilt, they followed a court order allowing Trinidad Chambless a medical sixth year. I don't care if Chambliss never declared for the NFL draft, he is making more money than any of the players filing a suit would've made this year. Cole Hutson attended rookie mini camp with the intention of becoming an NFL player. He was not good enough to make a team and he went back to Texas on August 6. Not a peep from the SEC, nor the media. They can't make a distinction that says it's OK for Hutson to play because he was not good enough to be offered UDFA contract. Call other players on SEC rosters who attended rookie mini camp with the same intention of being an NFL player.
The SEC can't follow all those court orders from players the NCAA declared ineligible, but choose not to follow this court order just because the players were in NFL training camp for a week.



Those are different cases involving different rules. Apples and hand grenades!

Pavia challenged the counting of JUCO seasons, never played in the NFL, camp or otheriwese, never signed. Chambliss sought a medical sixth year, never played in the NFL, camp or otherwise, never signed .

For the 100th time, Hutson attended tryouts but never signed an NFL contract or joined a roster.

The LSU players signed NFL contracts and participated in NFL training camps. That is an objective and reasonable distinction.


Bediako is the only comparable case. Alabama played him only while a temporary court order was in effect. When his preliminary injunction was denied, he stopped playing.

The SEC is complying with the current LSU order while challenging it. Following a temporary court order does not mean the SEC agrees with the ruling or must abandon its professionalism rule.
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I don't disagree with your logic, I'm simply saying the NCAA and SEC stipulate the difference is signing a contract. Again, not my circus, not my monkeys, but this is apparently the line in the sand.
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KatyAggie2000 said:

I don't disagree with your logic, I'm simply saying the NCAA and SEC stipulate the difference is signing a contract. Again, not my circus, not my monkeys, but this is apparently the line in the sand.


That lets OM and Texas off the hook.
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austinag1997 said:

KatyAggie2000 said:

I don't disagree with your logic, I'm simply saying the NCAA and SEC stipulate the difference is signing a contract. Again, not my circus, not my monkeys, but this is apparently the line in the sand.


That lets OM and Texas off the hook.


so you think this is about punishing LSU?!

SMH
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Logos Stick said:

austinag1997 said:

KatyAggie2000 said:

I don't disagree with your logic, I'm simply saying the NCAA and SEC stipulate the difference is signing a contract. Again, not my circus, not my monkeys, but this is apparently the line in the sand.


That lets OM and Texas off the hook.


so you think this is about punishing LSU?!

SMH

None of the schools listed above were punished for challenging NCAA and SEC eligibility.
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Logos Stick said:

austinag1997 said:

KatyAggie2000 said:

I don't disagree with your logic, I'm simply saying the NCAA and SEC stipulate the difference is signing a contract. Again, not my circus, not my monkeys, but this is apparently the line in the sand.


That lets OM and Texas off the hook.


so you think this is about punishing LSU?!

SMH


The federal suit claims that Kiffin essentially orchestrated players to get TROs in court and recruited them once they got the TRO IN EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH.
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Another aspect of this, say the court order is issued today but the SEC still says they can't play, and LSU follows the SEC ruling - the players can sue the SEC, LSU, and NCAA for violating a court order.
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I think LSU could win. They are arguing for something very narrow (the rest of us know it opens up a Pandora's box of ****)

The argument is that the NCAA changed the eligibility rules after these guys went pro. And they wouldn't have gone pro under the new rules. LSU will argue that this doesn't change anything moving forward, it just affects these players.

On the other hand, some big money guys might step in and tell Lane to drop it so football season can begin.
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Ray Baker said:

Logos Stick said:

austinag1997 said:

KatyAggie2000 said:

I don't disagree with your logic, I'm simply saying the NCAA and SEC stipulate the difference is signing a contract. Again, not my circus, not my monkeys, but this is apparently the line in the sand.


That lets OM and Texas off the hook.


so you think this is about punishing LSU?!

SMH

None of the schools listed above were punished for challenging NCAA and SEC eligibility.



Lets take Pavia. He remained a college player challenging the treatment of JUCO seasons. These LSU players signed NFL contracts and joined professional rosters. They were no longer college players.

The SEC's line in the sand is no NFL players.

It's simply not the same.
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Ray Baker said:

Another aspect of this, say the court order is issued today but the SEC still says they can't play, and LSU follows the SEC ruling - the players can sue the SEC, LSU, and NCAA for violating a court order.


The federal case will trump a District court in La. I believe that's the case. An attorney could weigh in here. The SEC isn't suing the player. They are suing a member of the SEC, for which they should be entited to to enforce their bylaws.
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Mathguy64 said:

I'm no lawyer but I think the SEC may have opened a door for LSU to crawl through and they already did.

The SEC said no pro from NFL, NBA or WNBA. They didn't say other sports. And LSU already fielded a pro soccer player back in school.

https://www.tigerrag.com/lsu-soccer-defender-jazmin-ferguson-plays-for-tigers-after-signing-with-pro-team/

So LSU may try and argue that the SEC is using discrimination based on sex and sport.

That would open a massive can of worms.

The SEC should have said "no pro in any sport".
I don't think sport discrimination is a thing.
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austinag1997 said:

Logos Stick said:

austinag1997 said:

KatyAggie2000 said:

I don't disagree with your logic, I'm simply saying the NCAA and SEC stipulate the difference is signing a contract. Again, not my circus, not my monkeys, but this is apparently the line in the sand.


That lets OM and Texas off the hook.


so you think this is about punishing LSU?!

SMH


The federal suit claims that Kiffin essentially orchestrated players to get TROs in court and recruited them once they got the TRO IN EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH.


Ok, so had Kiff not done that, the SEC would be OK with former NFL players coming back to college ball? That's your assertion?!
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Phatbob said:

I just hope they didn't file in Louisiana


Probably Mississippi
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Logos Stick said:

austinag1997 said:

Logos Stick said:

austinag1997 said:

KatyAggie2000 said:

I don't disagree with your logic, I'm simply saying the NCAA and SEC stipulate the difference is signing a contract. Again, not my circus, not my monkeys, but this is apparently the line in the sand.


That lets OM and Texas off the hook.


so you think this is about punishing LSU?!

SMH


The federal suit claims that Kiffin essentially orchestrated players to get TROs in court and recruited them once they got the TRO IN EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH.


Ok, so had Kiff not done that, the SEC would be OK with former NFL players coming back to college ball? That's your assertion?!



No. Not at all. Others had recruited "pro" players. Mizzou for sure. But Mizzou dropped that recruit when the SEC enacted the pro bylaw. LSU did not. And still hasn't. That's why LSU's roster will be interesting tomorrow.

LSU allegredly orchestrated and facilitated players to get TROs. And Kiffen allegedly called pro coaches to ascertain which players would be waived.
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And my line in the sand would be: you declare for the draft, you participate in combine, mini-camp, whatever... that's the end. You have officially ended your college career. Hutson would be out under my rules.
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We are already semipro as we pay players millions of dollars to play for us and they can leave the next year and play for another team for more or less depending on how they perform. They are paid performers.


This will not change the fan base allegiance to the team, no differ than having season tickets for the Cowboys are Rockets but this is not your daddy's college teams.

SEC is making it a Kiffin issue and that is understandable but they are going to lose this fight. I also think the 5 year limit will be challenged and done away with.

I will pull for the maroon and white, doesn't matter that they are all hired guns.

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5Amp said:

We are already semipro as we pay players millions of dollars to play for us and they can leave the next year and play for another team for more or less depending on how they perform. They are paid performers.


This will not change the fan base allegiance to the team, no differ than having season tickets for the Cowboys are Rockets but this is not your daddy's college teams.

SEC is making it a Kiffin issue and that is understandable but they are going to lose this fight. I also think the 5 year limit will be challenged and done away with.

I will pull for the maroon and white, doesn't matter that they are all hired guns.




You think the SEC will lose this?
Betcha a beer you're wrong
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Logos Stick said:

And my line in the sand would be: you declare for the draft, you participate in combine, mini-camp, whatever... that's the end. You have officially ended your college career. Hutson would be out under my rules.

I wholeheartedly agree with your rules. This s***show could have been avoided with some foresight from the NCAA over the 5-5, and had the SEC not issued a hastily thrown-together response after the TRO was issued for the LSU players.
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Logos Stick said:

Ray Baker said:

vander54 said:

Ray Baker said:

usmcbrooks said:

Logos Stick said:

"Children"! LOL

Quote:

Sankey faced some spicy cross examination from Tony Clayton, a plaintiff's attorney. Sankey was asked at one point in front of the more than a dozen atheltes athletes: "Should these children be punished…because you changed the rules."





#FL$U wants to win so bad; they are willing to blatantly cheat and rewrite the narrative to do so.

Guy misspelled athletes.......ftw.

That attorney does not represent LSU, he represents the players trying to gain eligibility. The SEC created this mess by enforcing rules for some players and schools and not for others.

who did they not enforce the rules for?

The League followed the court order and allowed Charles Bediako to play for Alabama, they followed the court order allowing Diego Pavia an extra year at Vanderbilt, they followed a court order allowing Trinidad Chambless a medical sixth year. I don't care if Chambliss never declared for the NFL draft, he is making more money than any of the players filing a suit would've made this year. Cole Hutson attended rookie mini camp with the intention of becoming an NFL player. He was not good enough to make a team and he went back to Texas on August 6. Not a peep from the SEC, nor the media. They can't make a distinction that says it's OK for Hutson to play because he was not good enough to be offered UDFA contract. Call other players on SEC rosters who attended rookie mini camp with the same intention of being an NFL player.
The SEC can't follow all those court orders from players the NCAA declared ineligible, but choose not to follow this court order just because the players were in NFL training camp for a week.



Those are different cases involving different rules. Apples and hand grenades!

Pavia challenged the counting of JUCO seasons, never played in the NFL, camp or otheriwese, never signed. Chambliss sought a medical sixth year, never played in the NFL, camp or otherwise, never signed .

For the 100th time, Hutson attended tryouts but never signed an NFL contract or joined a roster.

The LSU players signed NFL contracts and participated in NFL training camps. That is an objective and reasonable distinction.


Bediako is the only comparable case. Alabama played him only while a temporary court order was in effect. When his preliminary injunction was denied, he stopped playing.

The SEC is complying with the current LSU order while challenging it. Following a temporary court order does not mean the SEC agrees with the ruling or must abandon its professionalism rule.


EXACTLY. And the fact #FLK was already actively recruiting them while they were in NFL camps and a former Ole Miss player is now transferring to #FL$U is the problem.
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TexAgsSean said:

Sue the sips as well - didn't they do the same thing with Cole Hutson?

If not, sue em anyway cause **** em.

The sec will never cross Texas. Ever.

That whole "conference of equals... tu will find out... Blah blah blah"was always bs. And most of us knew it.
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Louisiana AG went off on Sankey just now. Sounds like Sankey stepped in his own you know what today. She said Sankey responded to a question about the 5 for 5 rule and stated he had not read the rule.
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KatyAggie2000 said:

This is awesome...Good for Sankey and the SEC.

It appears the swamp kitties poked the bear a bit too much. Kiffin and LSU are trash.

I wonder if Sankey will allow SEC members to cancel their games against LSU without penalty? Would love to see a 3-game LSU schedule, lmao.

what a move, I bet the swamp kitties didn't expect that...
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Here's the full interview if anybody really cares, but it's 11 minutes long. Louisiana AG believes the SEC's lawsuit will be thrown out.
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Full damage control! One has nothing to do with the other!
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If this keeps up, Kiffen may well be the first SEC coach to get fired this year. Lol
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Logos Stick said:

"Children"! LOL

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Sankey faced some spicy cross examination from Tony Clayton, a plaintiff's attorney. Sankey was asked at one point in front of the more than a dozen atheltes: "Should these children be punished…because you changed the rules."







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Interesting that LSU now wants their name attached to a lawsuit that all the LSU fans have been claiming LSU had nothing to do with
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This whole thing is ridiculous. It happens all the time in the real world that a rule or qualification is changed and those that missed the cutoff, well too bad.

The 5-for-5 rule was adopted in June 2026 and it applied to those still on NCAA rosters, nobody else. Even if you had already used all your eligibility under the previous rule so went to work for an NFL team or Whataburger, whether you made the roster or practice squad or not, that's it. You don't get to come back. You are not part of the pool of players that the rule was changed to benefit, period.


PS - I love the Fansville Lane Kiffin commercial.
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Logos Stick said:

Ray Baker said:

vander54 said:

Ray Baker said:

usmcbrooks said:

Logos Stick said:

"Children"! LOL

Quote:

Sankey faced some spicy cross examination from Tony Clayton, a plaintiff's attorney. Sankey was asked at one point in front of the more than a dozen atheltes athletes: "Should these children be punished…because you changed the rules."





#FL$U wants to win so bad; they are willing to blatantly cheat and rewrite the narrative to do so.

Guy misspelled athletes.......ftw.

That attorney does not represent LSU, he represents the players trying to gain eligibility. The SEC created this mess by enforcing rules for some players and schools and not for others.

who did they not enforce the rules for?

The League followed the court order and allowed Charles Bediako to play for Alabama, they followed the court order allowing Diego Pavia an extra year at Vanderbilt, they followed a court order allowing Trinidad Chambless a medical sixth year. I don't care if Chambliss never declared for the NFL draft, he is making more money than any of the players filing a suit would've made this year. Cole Hutson attended rookie mini camp with the intention of becoming an NFL player. He was not good enough to make a team and he went back to Texas on August 6. Not a peep from the SEC, nor the media. They can't make a distinction that says it's OK for Hutson to play because he was not good enough to be offered UDFA contract. Call other players on SEC rosters who attended rookie mini camp with the same intention of being an NFL player.
The SEC can't follow all those court orders from players the NCAA declared ineligible, but choose not to follow this court order just because the players were in NFL training camp for a week.



Those are different cases involving different rules. Apples and hand grenades!

Pavia challenged the counting of JUCO seasons, never played in the NFL, camp or otheriwese, never signed. Chambliss sought a medical sixth year, never played in the NFL, camp or otherwise, never signed .

For the 100th time, Hutson attended tryouts but never signed an NFL contract or joined a roster.

The LSU players signed NFL contracts and participated in NFL training camps. That is an objective and reasonable distinction.


Bediako is the only comparable case. Alabama played him only while a temporary court order was in effect. When his preliminary injunction was denied, he stopped playing.

The SEC is complying with the current LSU order while challenging it. Following a temporary court order does not mean the SEC agrees with the ruling or must abandon its professionalism rule.


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austinag1997 said:

KatyAggie2000 said:

I don't disagree with your logic, I'm simply saying the NCAA and SEC stipulate the difference is signing a contract. Again, not my circus, not my monkeys, but this is apparently the line in the sand.


That lets OM and Texas off the hook.


what did they do that goes against the SEC rules?
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amercer said:

I think LSU could win. They are arguing for something very narrow (the rest of us know it opens up a Pandora's box of ****)

The argument is that the NCAA changed the eligibility rules after these guys went pro. And they wouldn't have gone pro under the new rules. LSU will argue that this doesn't change anything moving forward, it just affects these players.

On the other hand, some big money guys might step in and tell Lane to drop it so football season can begin.


Did those players have an idea that the rules might change? If they did they, they should have stayed, if not it becomes a situation of some times life just isn't fair, and you move on.
 
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