I think the cajuns need to check themselves and I also think they are fooling themselves with Kiffin, they need to hire Somrall and weather the storm, get the finances right and pray, because this can always get worse, way worse.

1 Ohio State
2 Michigan
3 Alabama
4 Texas
5 USC

There are no less than 10-15 really good jobs, I think LSU is in that mix but slam dunk top 5? nah bro


as an aside, how refreshing to watch them freaking out right now, I am here for it

Is that your top 5 jobs? That looks like a blue blood list.

World is changing. Nil has changed the calculation

It is. Don't kid yourself. Look at the last 3 coaches each winning it all. Anyone can do it except BK.

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It is. Don't kid yourself. Look at the last 3 coaches each winning it all. Anyone can do it except BK.

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name your top 5 list

Saban shared a title with USC
Miles won a title
Orgeron won a title

Before these three coaches LSU was an also ran, no better no worse than Texas A&M

There are at least a dozen top five jobs.

Michigan and USC aren't top5

then list your top 5

is LSU > Florida?
is LSU > Georgia?
is LSU > Alabama?
is LSU > Texas?
is LSU > Texas A&M?
is LSU > Ohio State?
is LSU > Oregon?
is LSU > Notre Dame?
is LSU > USC?
is LSU > MIchigan?

Top 5 jobs now are ones with the richest alumni willing to spend their fortunes on NIL. I expect in the long run coaches' salaries to decrease as NIL money expands. Only so much money to go around and even coaches will make salary sacrifices to get better NIL money, thus driving down the coach salary market. We may be entering an NIL war that is won by forcing other schools to spend till they are bankrupt.

Everyone tries to come up with these lists, but the truth is, there is a lot more that goes into a job than you can really measure objectively.

LSU is a great job because of the talent in Louisiana, and being the only big time program in the state. There are a bunch of other schools with as much or more money, but that access to talent has been their calling card for the last 30-40 years. Now, with NIL and the transfer portal, perhaps no one can lock down a state quite the way that they used to, so that may take just a little bit of the shine off LSU.

Then you have to factor other things; the coach's personality matters somewhat. Either you've got to fit in (Orgeron), or you've got to be immune to the pressure to fit in (Saban). There are a lot of coaches that are too sensitive to what others are saying to enjoy the microscope that they live under in Baton Rouge.

Then there is the question of whether your family will be happy living in some gated enclave next to Mogadishu; OK, it's not quite that bad, but Baton Rouge is not to everyone's taste.

Ohio State
Alabama
LSU
Texas
Georgia

There is IMO not a top 5 list that are better than the next 10 schools
There are 10-15 really good jobs

But for example tu ciuldnt find a head coach a few years ago. Every coach that said no thought tu was not a better job than the one they had

USC and ND are prestigious programs but are not what they were 20 years ago
Miami is back but they were terrible
Even the " best " jobs come with the downside of you are only a couple of bad years from being fired
My list of the best jobs that are significantly better than the next tier
By region

Oregon, USC

A&M, OU,LSU,tu

Alabama, Georgia, Miami, Florida

ND, tOSU, Michigan,


Honorable mention but one small step below Washington, PSU, Clemson, The Vols ,
That's 17 really good jobs

It IS a top 5 job!



In the state of Louisiana.

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then list your top 5

is LSU > Florida? yes
is LSU > Georgia? yes
is LSU > Alabama? no
is LSU > Texas? no
is LSU > Texas A&M? yes
is LSU > Ohio State? no
is LSU > Oregon? yes
is LSU > Notre Dame? yes
is LSU > USC? yes
is LSU > MIchigan? yes

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It has to be the easiest place to win, maybe other than Ohio State

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Bag said:

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then list your top 5

is LSU > Florida? yes
is LSU > Georgia? yes
is LSU > Alabama? no
is LSU > Texas? no
is LSU > Texas A&M? yes
is LSU > Ohio State? no
is LSU > Oregon? yes
is LSU > Notre Dame? yes
is LSU > USC? yes
is LSU > MIchigan? yes

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It has to be the easiest place to win, maybe other than Ohio State

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well, it wasnt for over 100 years, all of this is one big cycle, they won 2.5 titles, great for them, but all of that was before NIL and the portal changed the world.

Like I said, this can always get worse

Kelly is going to run you $10m per year for the next 5 seasons, then you are going to throw 12 mil at Kiffin plus $6m for the new staff then NIL then then then

Somrall is a way better option, get him at a Elko incentive type contract, when he crushes it for 2 years then you extend him. I dont think they have much of a choice, they dont have the money from what I understand

Yes, it remains to be seen if they can lock down Louisiana talent the way that they did from Saban on in the age of NIL and the transfer portal. It's hard to stack talent if everyone is chasing playing time.

It's a historically top 5 job regardless of opinions on this board. Per capita, state of LA has probably put more players into the NFL that anyone else (before refuting, make sure one digests the per capita part ). The amt of WRs, DBs, DL, OL and a few Qbs put in the NFL is probably one of the top in the nation.

Winning NC helps the narrative to recruits…a lot (why difficult to supplant the Bamas, UGA, OSU and LSU of the world…they can legitimately state in CFP, conf championships and NCs easily to kids and that are always in the convo and put kids in nfl). Why BK wanted LSU job as on paper its top 5 for talent year in and year out (HS recruiting rankings don't define this correctly either so not about ranked classes).

LSU is the state program (all the Tshirt fans and alumni) and has recruited itself to all of the home grown talent thru the years. LA mafia pressure on kids is real (prob even more pressure on families). Simply why Oregon (sp) won…not coaching ability, just talent and culture fit.

BK was never a fit there culturally and he's just a pure arsehole of a person via how he berates players.

If they land the right guy (question is who), then they won't lose status. NIL has helped level the field some, but hasn't wrecked them altogether.

They benefited from the SEC stretch where they were always a contender, but idk about top 5.

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It's a historically top 5 job regardless of opinions on this board. Per capita, state of LA has probably put more players into the NFL that anyone else (before refuting, make sure one digests the per capita part ). The amt of WRs, DBs, DL, OL and a few Qbs put in the NFL is probably one of the top in the nation.

Winning NC helps the narrative to recruits…a lot (why difficult to supplant the Bamas, UGA, OSU and LSU of the world…they can legitimately state in CFP, conf championships and NCs easily to kids and that are always in the convo and put kids in nfl). Why BK wanted LSU job as on paper its top 5 for talent year in and year out (HS recruiting rankings don't define this correctly either so not about ranked classes).

LSU is the state program (all the Tshirt fans and alumni) and has recruited itself to all of the home grown talent thru the years. LA mafia pressure on kids is real (prob even more pressure on families). Simply why Oregon (sp) won…not coaching ability, just talent and culture fit.

BK was never a fit there culturally and he's just a pure arsehole of a person via how he berates players.

If they land the right guy (question is who), then they won't lose status. NIL has helped level the field some, but hasn't wrecked them altogether.

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Actually American Samoa has put the most players per capita into the NFL IIRC but since one is a state and one is a territory I'll allow it.

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Is that your top 5 jobs? That looks like a blue blood list.

World is changing. Nil has changed the calculation

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This is why I think LSU is NOT a top 5 job anymore. I dont think they have the resources to be in the top 5, and with NIL, their monopoly on the in-state talent is pretty much done. And that was their main advantage over other programs.

In 2021, LSU missed on Lincoln Riley and Jimbo before having to settle on Brian Kelly

LSU's advantage has been paying players, but NIL has leveled the playing field. I don't know that they have the resources to compete with other programs in alumni donations etc.

Agree with OP. In the days of NILI don't see them being able to stack talent in that dump anymore.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Is that your top 5 jobs? That looks like a blue blood list.

World is changing. Nil has changed the calculation

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This is why I think LSU is NOT a top 5 job anymore. I dont think they have the resources to be in the top 5, and with NIL, their monopoly on the in-state talent is pretty much done. And that was their main advantage over other programs.

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I agree with this.

I have been making the argument this week about the same thing. Look at the nontraditional schools making waves this year.

IU
Vandy
GT
UVA

People are going to call me crazy but watch out for Northwestern after their new stadium opens. These schools create wealthy alumni. You can put our school, tex and ND etc. in their too but this it a little different spin on the same argument.

I do not see these schools being "Blue Bloods" in the future, but the playing field is leveling out. In this case for coaches if you can win, make $10m+ a year (see IU), and work for an appreciative administration and fanbase, why make a lateral (salary) move to a traditional powerhouse with relatively dwindling resources and a toxic administration and fanbase?

You list is pre NIL. We are a top 5 job now. Number of previous trophies is irrelevant now.

If you disagree, define your selection criteria.

wealthy alumni is great but if the school didnt already have some kind of football culture while that alumni was in school they probably dont give a crap.

The LSU job is based on the value of instate player development, in which kids go to camps in the state to be developed for LSU.This systems produced great teams, when NIL and transfer portals did not exist. The structure however cannot compete with a new national structure in which schools can go out and pick off players from around the country. The value of LSU development, has been greatly diminished.

A small market baseball team with the best farm system in the world cannot compete with the big money of the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers.

LSU is no longer a great destination.

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It is. Don't kid yourself. Look at the last 3 coaches each winning it all. Anyone can do it except BK.

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name your top 5 list

Saban shared a title with USC
Miles won a title
Orgeron won a title

Before these three coaches LSU was an also ran, no better no worse than Texas A&M

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And the first thing Kelly did was can the guy who was a common thread in that and we just used Moffit to rub it in his face the past 2 years.

People always list Texas as a top job but the truth is their last 3 hires were Charlie strong, tom Herman, and sark. Two of those were massive fallbacks from their main targets.

Those aren't the coaching hires that line up with the narrative.

If LSU is a top 5 job why did they hire brian kelly who sucked? Ed O was a failure pretty much everywhere he has been previously. Both of those were incredibly underwhelming hires at the time. I think LSU is a top 5 job to the right kind of coach. If Kiffin was interested in Florida, he would prefer the LSU job.

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People always list Texas as a top job but the truth is their last 3 hires were Charlie strong, tom Herman, and sark. Two of those were massive fallbacks from their main targets.

Those aren't the coaching hires that line up with the narrative.

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100% accurate. Part of the job is the **** you have to deal with and no one wants to deal with all that *****

There would be an argument that Florida is a better job than LSU.

Penn St is a plum job, especially if you're from back east and like living in the area.

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It is. Don't kid yourself. Look at the last 3 coaches each winning it all. Anyone can do it except BK.

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Nil has changed everything.

Pre-nil--- the pressure for all the Louisiana top athletes to stay in state gave LSU a big advantage. That advantage is much less as nil money (out in the open) talks.

I would think a top 5 job would be able to get their first choice for a coach every time. Several schools on these list have had to settle.

Can someone define what a top 5 job is?

Prestige? Money? Location? Fans? Stadium? Infra?

Bama is not a top 5 job. The big reason Saban left was because he knew they couldn't compete $$ wise