I hear some say our culture keeps us from winning the big games, SEC, playoffs, Natty. What is the flaw in our culture and what needs to happen to get us there??
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"At least we won halftime. Or , we didn't lose…we just ran out of time." We accept less than winning big. It's in our culture. No other school says though things.
We've had three "great" seasons since 1998. It's a culture thing considering all we have going for us.
We've had three "great" seasons since 1998. It's a culture thing considering all we have going for us.
Ohio State goes from winning coach to winning coach and hardly ever misses a step. Even bama has had some bad years. Texas was a joke for the 2010s. Nebraska will probably never get back to their prior dominance and OU might be going the same route.
While we just kinda exist and find ways to lose games in the most annoying ways.
While we just kinda exist and find ways to lose games in the most annoying ways.
Pepe SiIvia said:
Ohio State goes from winning coach to winning coach and hardly ever misses a step.
Their program is a well oiled machine. Ours is like a Popeyes, pretty good from time to time but a complete cluster the rest of the time.
Based on what I see from the orange cow, it looks like we just need to NIL officials instead of players…
I'm not sure but once Hungry Ojos comes back from his ban he will let you know.
Well oiled how?
We haven't won a conference championship in the lifetime of these players. All they see is Texas A&M occasionally win but mostly fall on their face.
Subconsciously, that is what all the players know and that is what they do. Past, present and future. The only exception was JFF; he refused to lose. The others expect it and accept it.
Subconsciously, that is what all the players know and that is what they do. Past, present and future. The only exception was JFF; he refused to lose. The others expect it and accept it.
Philip J Fry said:
Well oiled how?
Their last sub 10 win season was in 2004 (not counting covid year). How many have we had the last few decades?
Sure, but what are they doing that makes them a well oiled machine?
To clarify, it has nothing to do with the culture of A&M. It's the culture of the athletic department that needs a work over. We've had some ADs that were more concerned with income statements than success on the field. I think the president of the university should also play a role in promoting success. Some do, some don't seem to care one way or the other.
Agsgirl said:
I hear some say our culture keeps us from winning the big games, SEC, playoffs, Natty. What is the flaw in our culture and what needs to happen to get us there??
You are going to hear people say a lot of bullsh**. Just because people are talking doesn't mean it's true.
Nah the poor culture comes from the top, not the bottom.VedderAg said:
"At least we won halftime. Or , we didn't lose…we just ran out of time." We accept less than winning big. It's in our culture. No other school says though things.
We've had three "great" seasons since 1998. It's a culture thing considering all we have going for us.
1998 was spoiling Kavsas State's undefeated season. That's what we celebrate.Bill Superman said:Nah the poor culture comes from the top, not the bottom.VedderAg said:
"At least we won halftime. Or , we didn't lose…we just ran out of time." We accept less than winning big. It's in our culture. No other school says though things.
We've had three "great" seasons since 1998. It's a culture thing considering all we have going for us.
Philip J Fry said:
Sure, but what are they doing that makes them a well oiled machine?
Herbie said it during their game with Tenn referring to the "lunatic fringe" fanbase. I went on their message boards during the game and sure enough, the fans were livid and saying horrible things about Day because he wasn't winning by enough.
We need to be more like them if we want to win big: start throwing for sale signs in yards of coaches organize protests… they are waaay to comfortable after losses. Sleeping nice and cozy on piles of money after being shut out by the sips, while I cry myself to sleep!
In my experience, one thing that seems to be missing is players holding other players accountable for their decisions. It shouldn't take the Head Coach to inform players that smoking pot in the locker room or speeding through parking garages is frowned upon. Team leaders pull teammates aside to let them know that their behavior is unacceptable.
Many kids value the respect/approval of their peers more than from their coaches. We call them "low character" after the fact, but where were the team captains to let them know what the behavioral standard is going to be?
TLDR; let's call it a code red.
Many kids value the respect/approval of their peers more than from their coaches. We call them "low character" after the fact, but where were the team captains to let them know what the behavioral standard is going to be?
TLDR; let's call it a code red.
Bottom line is...culture does not win football games or any game for that matter.
It's just a "feel good" mind set.
It's just a "feel good" mind set.
It's a number of things….
Celebrating being tied for the lead in the conference halfway through the season.
Accepting that we play bad teams close and celebrating those wins without criticism of our coaches (BGSU, Arkansas, MSST).
Looking forward in October and boasting about being favored in the next 3 games leading up to Texas.
Reacting to losing plays to the transfer portal with "well the guys we are bringing in are way better" even though some of those players were the best we had this year. Also tracking former players who left and celebrating their failures.
I also get that we hate Texas. I hate Texas. We can call them sip or u.t. That's fine. But so much of our culture is about them yet for 10 years we didn't play them. Now we have a coaching staff that has no experience playing them or real hate for them and our players probably don't care. Yet, it's all our fans want to talk about is them. There's a major disconnect between the team and fans here.
Celebrating being tied for the lead in the conference halfway through the season.
Accepting that we play bad teams close and celebrating those wins without criticism of our coaches (BGSU, Arkansas, MSST).
Looking forward in October and boasting about being favored in the next 3 games leading up to Texas.
Reacting to losing plays to the transfer portal with "well the guys we are bringing in are way better" even though some of those players were the best we had this year. Also tracking former players who left and celebrating their failures.
I also get that we hate Texas. I hate Texas. We can call them sip or u.t. That's fine. But so much of our culture is about them yet for 10 years we didn't play them. Now we have a coaching staff that has no experience playing them or real hate for them and our players probably don't care. Yet, it's all our fans want to talk about is them. There's a major disconnect between the team and fans here.
I don't know the answer but without scientific proof I think the support of the 12th man is critical.
As a student I've seen great victories and different loses but being unified and respectful and strong academic students with more traditions than any school and by respecting older Ags I always felt part of a special group. I chose A&M in 1979 having zero school spirit in high school and knowing absolutely zero Aggie traditions. I wasn't involved in high school although I was the 2nd or 3rd best student out of 336.
Majored in physics. Went to zero high school games, dances, and didn't bother to walk the graduation stage.
High school felt like a boring joke.
My roommate was a great friend since 5th grade. I loved one sport and played it well since age 9. Football.
I thought about walking in as a wide receiver and I had lighting acceleration, ran good routes, and intellectually knew the game better than near anyone. I wasn't afraid of getting hit.
The first physics test came and suddenly I didn't have time to try to be a walk on, but I used to want to jump the rail and get into the game.
The culture was the other education. I became a professor graduating from other schools but there is only one school I identify after having a PhD and four total degrees. Can you guess my sole identity?
Of course I want championships but my first priority is getting the other education. They are not mutually exclusive.
As a student I've seen great victories and different loses but being unified and respectful and strong academic students with more traditions than any school and by respecting older Ags I always felt part of a special group. I chose A&M in 1979 having zero school spirit in high school and knowing absolutely zero Aggie traditions. I wasn't involved in high school although I was the 2nd or 3rd best student out of 336.
Majored in physics. Went to zero high school games, dances, and didn't bother to walk the graduation stage.
High school felt like a boring joke.
My roommate was a great friend since 5th grade. I loved one sport and played it well since age 9. Football.
I thought about walking in as a wide receiver and I had lighting acceleration, ran good routes, and intellectually knew the game better than near anyone. I wasn't afraid of getting hit.
The first physics test came and suddenly I didn't have time to try to be a walk on, but I used to want to jump the rail and get into the game.
The culture was the other education. I became a professor graduating from other schools but there is only one school I identify after having a PhD and four total degrees. Can you guess my sole identity?
Of course I want championships but my first priority is getting the other education. They are not mutually exclusive.
Our, meaning students and fans' culture, has absolutely zero to do with wins on the field. This theme of, "We just accept mediocrity", is dumb. The only thing you can do as a fan or alum to affect change, is stop giving your money to the program until they get it right.Quote:
I hear some say our culture keeps us from winning the big games, SEC, playoffs, Natty. What is the flaw in our culture and what needs to happen to get us there??
I agree, that much of our traditions and history revolve around UT, and should have stopped long ago. I think the yell leaders need a change. But none of that affects football. A&M has had great recruiting, great support, great environment over the last 20 years. The leadership on multiple levels is what has been embarrassing and ineffective.
Take the Elko hiring.
Instead of having a plan in place, we fire fisher, and get an also-ran coach, not to mention the Stoops fiasco, to replace him, while having to spend so much on a buyout, we can't spend NIL. Continued ineptitude by the athletic department.
Schloss is another example. Firing his staff members without his approval. He gets pissed and leaves.
It's all dip****ery.
I agree with everything you said with the exception that our culture does not effect wins on the field. It's easy to point to the admin and coaching staff, the players and the locker room, but when as fans all we rally around is optimism, it does not put any pressure on the organization to be better. This year for instance, we start 7-1 but are 3-5 against the spread. Some of those, BGSU and MSST, we sneak out wins as 21 point favorites.SteveA said:
Our, meaning students and fans' culture, has absolutely zero to do with wins on the field.
What has frustrated me the most is that while we have some voices in the fanbase that are critical of the team in those situations, the larger segment is singing praise of how much better we are than ever before and have blinders on. Saban called it rat poison. We just watched Oregon (praised at the highest level by the fanbase) and Ohio State (ready to fire their coach for 2 losses by a total of 6 points) face off. They each looked like different teams - Oregon looking shocked, Ohio State appearing unbeatable.
My view, we need to be more vocal about our weaknesses and less about our strengths. Stop blaming injuries and saying next year will by default be better. We lost RB1 this year and many people attributed that to our demise. The fact is, we lost .2 yards per carry in our rushing offense without Moss which equates to about 3.5% of our rushing efficiency. I see praises of Reed having a great QBR this season. In our 3 regular season losses, he ranked in the bottom half of QBs in the nation. Let's be objective, not subjective as fans.
I love our student body/culture and how we rally around our team. What we lack is a sense of urgency and being patient to a fault from the people who can actually put pressure on the head coach/football admin.
Our culture is just to 'take it'. The coaches take responsibility but don't mention how they are going to correct it.
We complain all day about bad calls by refs, what is the administration doing about it? Are they talking to the SEC office, NCAA, anything?
Our coach rightfully criticizes defensive play... what's he doing about it?
Our offense can't score in short yardage situations yet still runs the same play over and over... what's being done about it?
Our QB1 telegraphs whether we are going to run or pass.... what's being done about it?
The frustration is none of this is new and it just gets repeated. So why expect different results?
We complain all day about bad calls by refs, what is the administration doing about it? Are they talking to the SEC office, NCAA, anything?
Our coach rightfully criticizes defensive play... what's he doing about it?
Our offense can't score in short yardage situations yet still runs the same play over and over... what's being done about it?
Our QB1 telegraphs whether we are going to run or pass.... what's being done about it?
The frustration is none of this is new and it just gets repeated. So why expect different results?
What did Elko do about the defense as a former Texas A&M DC…that's the better question. Sounds like finger pointing to me.Flashdiaz said:
Our culture is just to 'take it'. The coaches take responsibility but don't mention how they are going to correct it.
We complain all day about bad calls by refs, what is the administration doing about it? Are they talking to the SEC office, NCAA, anything?
Our coach rightfully criticizes defensive play... what's he doing about it?
Our offense can't score in short yardage situations yet still runs the same play over and over... what's being done about it?
Our QB1 telegraphs whether we are going to run or pass.... what's being done about it?
The frustration is none of this is new and it just gets repeated. So why expect different results?
Geography and conference affiliation are probably greater factors than culture, however we're attempting to define that.
Geography - We're surrounded by three national championship winning teams and located within a state so large we had our own conference, two factors NIL mitigated (i.e., our recruit rankings have been better than ever), but I would argue significant factors contributing to our mediocre performance since winning the Big 12 in '98.
However, despite NIL and transfer portal, all things being equal some players and coaches would rather live in Austin than College Station (e.g., that rat of a baseball coach).
Conference - our best years were in the declining SWC (similarly Miami's dominance came to an end around the time they joined the ACC and their rival Florida State)
Geography - We're surrounded by three national championship winning teams and located within a state so large we had our own conference, two factors NIL mitigated (i.e., our recruit rankings have been better than ever), but I would argue significant factors contributing to our mediocre performance since winning the Big 12 in '98.
However, despite NIL and transfer portal, all things being equal some players and coaches would rather live in Austin than College Station (e.g., that rat of a baseball coach).
Conference - our best years were in the declining SWC (similarly Miami's dominance came to an end around the time they joined the ACC and their rival Florida State)
Need to stop comparing ourselves to regional schools like tu, Baylor, Tceh, SMU.
We have to start expecting to consistently beat blue blood schools like Bama, LSU, Georgia, Ohio State, Notre Dame.
We have the facilities, support and the best traditions to compete with any school in the nation.
We have to start expecting to consistently beat blue blood schools like Bama, LSU, Georgia, Ohio State, Notre Dame.
We have the facilities, support and the best traditions to compete with any school in the nation.
Did he get banned? I wondered what happened to the thread. Would have loved to have seen whatever his comment was.Phone bill said:
I'm not sure but once Hungry Ojos comes back from his ban he will let you know.
The fact that RC, someone who once pointed out how many teams lost on the same day as A&M, is idolized as much as he is around here is an indictment on our culture.
Its the culture of the players ,the dont give a dam about winning. They care about themselves. And it is just goung to get worse.
this is one of those frustrating things...Pepe SiIvia said:
Ohio State goes from winning coach to winning coach and hardly ever misses a step. Even bama has had some bad years. Texas was a joke for the 2010s. Nebraska will probably never get back to their prior dominance and OU might be going the same route.
While we just kinda exist and find ways to lose games in the most annoying ways.
when Ohio State wins the recruiting battle for a 5-star Texas high school WR...
like Garrett Wilson and Jaxon Smith-Njigba -- those players become 1st round picks and NFL stars
when A&M wins the recruiting battle for a 5-star Texas high school WR...
like Demas and Stewart...yeah
and this happens a lot -- the A&M program gets the wrong 4-stars and 5-stars
is that the culture?
That seems like quite an oversimplification of RC, if you're looking at one quote he said and judging him/his career on that.zb008 said:
The fact that RC, someone who once pointed out how many teams lost on the same day as A&M, is idolized as much as he is around here is an indictment on our culture.
RC is liked because he won 4 conference titles in the 14 years he was here (people cry that we haven't won a conference title since 98). He also has the most wins of any coach in our history. I think he's the only coach since before Bear Bryant to be here more than like 7 years, and he's also in the College Football Hall of Fame. That's why RC is 'idolized' here.
He was below average against real teams.Aggies2009 said:That seems like quite an oversimplification of RC, if you're looking at one quote he said and judging him/his career on that.zb008 said:
The fact that RC, someone who once pointed out how many teams lost on the same day as A&M, is idolized as much as he is around here is an indictment on our culture.
RC is liked because he won 4 conference titles in the 14 years he was here (people cry that we haven't won a conference title since 98). He also has the most wins of any coach in our history. I think he's the only coach since before Bear Bryant to be here more than like 7 years, and he's also in the College Football Hall of Fame. That's why RC is 'idolized' here.
Would be interesting to see a list of 3 star recruits that became stars for our team
vs. a list of 5 star recruits who never lived up to their star rating.
vs. a list of 5 star recruits who never lived up to their star rating.
"Culture" is a quickly becoming a new buzzword. Whatever.
See if Alabama waits 5-6 years for each HC until they find their next great one.
They won't….. DeBeor has 2 more seasons to show them. Maybe not even that.
We always have excuses and hype or optimism for Next Year.
Hope this helps.
They won't….. DeBeor has 2 more seasons to show them. Maybe not even that.
We always have excuses and hype or optimism for Next Year.
Hope this helps.
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