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Stinky T said:

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That 10-2 season is what always gets us in trouble. It was USC that was coming for Sumlin, LSU for Jimbo. The problem was neither had won a damn thing yet.

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PanzerAggie06 said:

True. I believe Indiana may have just made the same mistake. One solid season and now Cignetti is making 9 million a year through 2032 with 85% of it guaranteed should he be fired. Hopefully, A&M will soon be surpassed by some school in having to fork out the largest buyout in history.

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What you need to do is what Michigan State did when they extended Mel Tucker for way too long after he got off to a nice start. Find a way to get him fired for cause and you have no buyout or go to court to negotiate it down.

I enjoyed the winning culture at USC especially during Pete Carroll era.

I also remember USC firing Kiffin leaving him on the tarmac and firing drunk ass Sark.

What USC had was a winning culture. Not stupid ass traditions.

Alumnis and BMT were nothing like the Aggies...honor, tradition, being good, good fit...none of that. Win first, beat ND and UCLA and the Rose Bowl.

And USC would've never let a fired coach hangout forever on the payroll.

College football is a business. And a successful business starts with the board and the CEO with the right aptitude to win.

It's not the fans. It's the BMA and the AD who set the winning culture. We just haven't been able to do it.

VedderAg said:

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"At least we won halftime. Or , we didn't lose…we just ran out of time."

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Seriously though, who says this?

I'm not sure but once Hungry Ojos comes back from his ban he will let you know.

A&M is a unique place that everyone won't get so you really got to vet them as this isn't a place where you can run wild or in some case an easy place for city folks to adjust

Anyone that knew demas in HS easily could've told you he would never fit in College Station - he wasn't doing much in HS to begin with academically and he sold his senior season away but left his family behind tells you he wasn't thinking too straight

Anyone that vetted Denver Harris' family or Chris Marshall would've said the same but we get so caught up in $$$$ and star hype we make bad calls

The elite WR with great family backgrounds tend to go elsewhere traditionally as Ohio State always pulled those types from Texas it seems - they had David Boston and the youbouty kid at one time - same with notre dame

I think this is a major part of it. We have been so desperate to get to the top quickly that we have taken on highly ranked kids that have rocks for brains.

We get all excited because they are big and fast and look great on HS tape, but they are self centered idiots who don't have a growth mindset that would facilitate improving, learning the game, and becoming professionals.

They are happy celebrating every decent play they make and running off to another school when they don't get enough catches, when the reality is that they haven't learned how to run a route, get open, or make contested catches.

Elko needs to leverage the guys who have been here and get it. Mike Evans, Myles Garrett, Madubuike, Von, Achane, and get them involved in the program to preach to these kids what it takes to be great at something other than. The HS level.

Even if he struggles to get the super elite 5 star kids for a few years, if we can get some four star kids with some competitive fire and intelligence, and keep them around, we can get this thing headed where it needs to be, but we need to stop chasing the quick fix with knucklehead kids that get a bunch of Twitter hype.

It's not a winning culture. It values "fit" more than anything else. If you challenge the status quo or disagree you get the tried and true "highway 6 runs both ways".

I remember people here would literally ***** about Kliff Kingsbury's shirt not being maroon on game day because he went to tech! What elite blue blood program worries about their OC's game day shirt color?

Bring Bonfire back to campus.

I feel it's no longer about winning and the product that A&M football produces......It's about the almighty $$$$$$$$$
Field ANYTHING, coached by ANYBODY, and the stadium will be full and producing $$$$$$$$

And we're more concerned about being classy fans who are welcoming and do not boo. It translates into bigger things like being willing to settle or put up with certain crap. If you look at the top five blue bloods in history their fans don't put up with losing and neither do their boosters/administration. We do.

It's a culture of not being able to land and develop the best QB and WRs.

The culture of not identifying the real talent at other positions and developing that talent.

RC and Sherman are the two that seemed to be able to identify the talent. RC put defensive players in the NFL. Sherman's online guys did well. Sherrill was the only guy that seemed to get all of it, but then A&M leadership allowed other powers to railroad the program. That's lack of powerful state leadership.

A&M has failed to create media inroads. How that is accomplished without first winning is another issue

yes, in the last 8 to 10 years...QB and WR have been the biggest problems on the field

need stars at those positions...not jags or slightly above average players

We fail in what I call 'Big Play Success %'. Key plays in big games to win.

If a metric was made and tracked across coaching regimes, I think we would be in 20-30% while teams that win natties and consistently have 9+ win seasons have over 60% success rate.

Great point. He was a good steady coach for the time, a fantastic D.C., and his love for the school is above reproach. But people hailing him as the winningest coach overlook the majority of our opponents' lower strength ratings of the time. I remember losing games when switching to a prevent defense with a 4th quarter lead. I remember his outlook NEVER being one to talk about chasing national championships. While Jackie was aggressively trying to get us to either join the SEC or go independent to get us out of our regional thinking, R.C. was solely focused on winning the conference because "everything beyond that is out of our control". There's a lot of good/ not great measurables for why he was finally dismissed.
I even loved the switch to the JFF era unis because I didn't want to be reminded on the 90s R.C. era. Now it's all I see again. Mediocrity.
I do believe that Coach E can lead us further.

Nelson Wilbury said:

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In my experience, one thing that seems to be missing is players holding other players accountable for their decisions. It shouldn't take the Head Coach to inform players that smoking pot in the locker room or speeding through parking garages is frowned upon. Team leaders pull teammates aside to let them know that their behavior is unacceptable.

Many kids value the respect/approval of their peers more than from their coaches. We call them "low character" after the fact, but where were the team captains to let them know what the behavioral standard is going to be?

TLDR; let's call it a code red.

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Team captains should have grabbed their sorry asses and thrown them out of the locker room.