Winning "cultures" are only winning matters. A&M has always had more to it than that. If winning means having Alabama's or Ohio State's culture... they can have it. F'em.
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Schools like Ohio State, Tennessee, and LSU have rich talent states basically to themselves--every kid in those states grow up following them as their own. Schools like A&M, Michigan State, Auburn, South Carolina, and Oklahoma State have to have their in-state blue bloods fall on hard times to even have a shot at a top 10 season.
Four conference titles.Aggies2009 said:That seems like quite an oversimplification of RC, if you're looking at one quote he said and judging him/his career on that.zb008 said:
The fact that RC, someone who once pointed out how many teams lost on the same day as A&M, is idolized as much as he is around here is an indictment on our culture.
RC is liked because he won 4 conference titles in the 14 years he was here (people cry that we haven't won a conference title since 98). He also has the most wins of any coach in our history. I think he's the only coach since before Bear Bryant to be here more than like 7 years, and he's also in the College Football Hall of Fame. That's why RC is 'idolized' here.
Three in the SWC which was a rotting corpse of a conference.... wow, super impressive accomplishment RC. A&Ms golden era was in the SWC which given what a joke of a conference it had become that was the equivalent of being the smartest person with Downs Syndrome.
One championship in the B12... on a call that easily could have gone in favor of KSU. The rest of the time in the B12 he was fair to below average.
Less than .400 winning percentage against Top 25 teams.
Less than .300 winning percentage against Top 10 teams.
3-8 in bowl games.
But we idolize him... which is just sad.
Kozmozag said:
Its the culture of the players ,the dont give a dam about winning. They care about themselves. And it is just goung to get worse.
I hear this all the time but somehow Georgia and Bama are winning championship with players that wreck cars and do all kinds of non-"lunchpail" kinds of things.
A lot of our players have transferred out and do just fine at other universities (not all obviously) and we've had plenty of players transfer in that have been mediocre at best. I can guarantee you the culture of the sip players is nearly identical to our players. They pay NIL like you wouldn't believe. Yet somehow they are winning…
If DeBoer goes 7-5 or 8-4 next year for Bama, he's gone. Won't even make it to the bowl game.Agsrback12 said:
See if Alabama waits 5-6 years for each HC until they find their next great one.
They won't….. DeBeor has 2 more seasons to show them. Maybe not even that.
We always have excuses and hype or optimism for Next Year.
Hope this helps.
9-3 would depend on the manner of the 3 losses and who they lost to. But he still could be gone.
A&M brass, (John Sharp and company) and the A&M culture would make excuses for a 7-5/8-4 result, and then the next year, win a big game or show slight improvement. And bam, lifetime contract and no offset.
A&M leadership cares about 1 thing and 1 thing only, their bottom line. Jerry Jones 2.0. Money, money, money is the top priority, winning is secondary.
Bama went thru a lot of coaches between Bear and Saban, including Gene who won
one NC there.
Think it was year 7 for Dabo before he won the first of two Nattys
one NC there.
Think it was year 7 for Dabo before he won the first of two Nattys
It doesn't.Agsgirl said:
I hear some say our culture keeps us from winning the big games, SEC, playoffs, Natty. What is the flaw in our culture and what needs to happen to get us there??
Any other stupid questions?
Who is we? I can post mean things on Texags and socials, but that does not affect change in the program. As I mentioned above, the only thing that will affect change is not spending money on the product. Being vocal about strengths vs weakness is just water cooler talk. It's just one fan being able to puff his chest to someone else. There is no "WE" in the program when referencing students and fans. There are those with money, those who coach and those who play. Fan culture, student culture have no bearing on the product put on the field.Quote:
What has frustrated me the most is that while we have some voices in the fanbase that are critical of the team in those situations, the larger segment is singing praise of how much better we are than ever before and have blinders on. Saban called it rat poison. We just watched Oregon (praised at the highest level by the fanbase) and Ohio State (ready to fire their coach for 2 losses by a total of 6 points) face off. They each looked like different teams - Oregon looking shocked, Ohio State appearing unbeatable.
My view, we need to be more vocal about our weaknesses and less about our strengths. Stop blaming injuries and saying next year will by default be better. We lost RB1 this year and many people attributed that to our demise. The fact is, we lost .2 yards per carry in our rushing offense without Moss which equates to about 3.5% of our rushing efficiency. I see praises of Reed having a great QBR this season. In our 3 regular season losses, he ranked in the bottom half of QBs in the nation. Let's be objective, not subjective as fans.
I know our fan base doesnt deserve to win **** based on texags reactions to losses. Bunch of nasty wretches just as bad as any school I've seen. In general, people get what they deserve.
Comparative to other teams that have won recently, or are in our conference, we are on par.Quote:
know our fan base doesnt deserve to win **** based on texags reactions to losses. Bunch of nasty wretches just as bad as any school I've seen. In general, people get what they deserve.
Just win....and all that goes by the wayside. If Jimbo won, there'd be no mention of it and he's still be here.
Elko trying to develop better work ethic which is important, but if there's no winning, top players won't come nor will they stay (can only money whip so many....and we aren't going to out money whip all of the top bluebloods and missing on portal players now). Hence, can talk about all the foundational stuff to state progress (which is probably true to an extent, but winning is the only proof there has been a cultural shift.
Elko trying to develop better work ethic which is important, but if there's no winning, top players won't come nor will they stay (can only money whip so many....and we aren't going to out money whip all of the top bluebloods and missing on portal players now). Hence, can talk about all the foundational stuff to state progress (which is probably true to an extent, but winning is the only proof there has been a cultural shift.
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cs69ag said:
Bama went thru a lot of coaches between Bear and Saban, including Gene who won
one NC there.
Think it was year 7 for Dabo before he won the first of two Nattys
Could not have illustrated the stark difference between Bama and us any better. They freaking won the NC while going through coaches.
Until the "good ole boys", who care more about winning halftimes and beating tu, than winning championships are out of the decision-making processes, we will always be the ***** of the southwest.Agsgirl said:
I hear some say our culture keeps us from winning the big games, SEC, playoffs, Natty. What is the flaw in our culture and what needs to happen to get us there??
That's not the reason.
Along those same lines - where do the players go that leave here in the portal? Is it better programs than us or lower programs than us? I believe it's lower programs than us. I believe the best class we had in a longtime are almost all gone - someone went to Denver, someone went to d2, someone went a lower level d1. Or like calzada does he go to an equivalent and not play?W said:this is one of those frustrating things...Pepe SiIvia said:
Ohio State goes from winning coach to winning coach and hardly ever misses a step. Even bama has had some bad years. Texas was a joke for the 2010s. Nebraska will probably never get back to their prior dominance and OU might be going the same route.
While we just kinda exist and find ways to lose games in the most annoying ways.
when Ohio State wins the recruiting battle for a 5-star Texas high school WR...
like Garrett Wilson and Jaxon Smith-Njigba -- those players become 1st round picks and NFL stars
when A&M wins the recruiting battle for a 5-star Texas high school WR...
like Demas and Stewart...yeah
and this happens a lot -- the A&M program gets the wrong 4-stars and 5-stars
is that the culture?
. I agree with you - 5 stars but are they the right 5 stars? Have they peaked in high school?
I think there are issues in the high school star rankings.
I collect ticket stubs! looking for a 1944 orange bowl and 1981 independence bowl ticket stub as well as Aggie vs tu stubs - 1926 and below, 1935-1937, 1939-1944, 1946-1948, 1950-1951, 1953, 1956-1957, 1959, 1960, 1963-1966, 1969-1970, 1972-1974, 1980, 1984, 1990, 2004, 2008, 2010
Most Aggies would vastly prefer having their success. This holier than thou schtick gets old when you constantly get your ass kicked in the dumbest ways.Phatbob said:
Winning "cultures" are only winning matters. A&M has always had more to it than that. If winning means having Alabama's or Ohio State's culture... they can have it. F'em.
Why? What doesn't really matter?
VedderAg said:
"At least we won halftime. Or , we didn't lose…we just ran out of time." We accept less than winning big. It's in our culture. No other school says though things.
We've had three "great" seasons since 1998. It's a culture thing considering all we have going for us.
100% to this.
I agree, we need to fire the head coach, staff, and get rid of that whole team.Nelson Wilbury said:
In my experience, one thing that seems to be missing is players holding other players accountable for their decisions. It shouldn't take the Head Coach to inform players that smoking pot in the locker room or speeding through parking garages is frowned upon. Team leaders pull teammates aside to let them know that their behavior is unacceptable.
Many kids value the respect/approval of their peers more than from their coaches. We call them "low character" after the fact, but where were the team captains to let them know what the behavioral standard is going to be?
TLDR; let's call it a code red.
Hold it - we just did that 1 year ago! New Coach, Staff, Team - Changing!!!
Phatbob said:
Winning "cultures" are only winning matters. A&M has always had more to it than that. If winning means having Alabama's or Ohio State's culture... they can have it. F'em.
What - and I can't stress this next part enough - the actual hell are you talking about?
Philip J Fry said:
Sure, but what are they doing that makes them a well oiled machine?
Consistency. Couldn't really tell you how Ohio st got to the point they're at right now but for the past several decades they win 10-11 plus and are always included in the post season conversations. Consistently winning and national title talks can afford you any player and coaching assistants you want. Looking towards the dark side of all this there's no telling what means their program goes to in order to stay at that level because that whole complex has to be worth billions and there's too much at stake to afford ***k ups. Wink wink you're seeing some of the lengths certain central Texas teams go to in controlling media and who knows what other officiating shenanigans.
In talks of problems with our culture is we just think we are a football program. That mindset has to stop because it just propagates the notion that we need to win big now. And while that spark does happen from time to time here it just predictably fizzles out. We swing big every year and miss big as well. Maybe it's time we take a step back and focus on the games we can win (auburn, South Carolina, etc) and just wait on the bigger games until we can breed consistent 10 win seasons that will give us a better reputation than a program that consistently underperforms.
Shane '91
Bill Superman said:Nah the poor culture comes from the top, not the bottom.VedderAg said:
"At least we won halftime. Or , we didn't lose…we just ran out of time." We accept less than winning big. It's in our culture. No other school says though things.
We've had three "great" seasons since 1998. It's a culture thing considering all we have going for us.
Totally agree.
Twisting "we never lose a halftime" (literally has nothing to do with a game) and "we do not lose, we just ran out of time" (i.e., we never, ever stop fighting) is not why we lose.
I hate losing more than I want us to win. But I will not accept that we need to act like a bunch of beaches and whine and moan to prove that statement. I am extremely proud that the majority of us carry ourselves with more dignity and respect than to spit venom because we didn't like an outcome.
Shane '91
Most of these teams that you're talking about have been paying players for years. That includes Bama, Ohio State, LSU, etc. We will be fine. We have as much money as anyone and now we too can pay. We need Elko to learn, get better, and we need to attract and pay the best players to come play for us. The culture stuff is stupid. It's not an impediment. Get the players, win, and everything else falls by the wayside. Nobody was complaining about our culture when we had the legit Wrecking Crew and we were consistently winning.
VedderAg said:
"At least we won halftime. Or , we didn't lose…we just ran out of time." We accept less than winning big. It's in our culture. No other school says though things.
We've had three "great" seasons since 1998. It's a culture thing considering all we have going for us.
A theory: We attract players that want to be the best on the team. The elite programs attract players that want to be with the best players in the world on their own team to make themselves better.
It's the same in academics. And probably a lot of other things.
It's the same in academics. And probably a lot of other things.
Nobody was complaining because we bought into the "hype" of that era and didn't recognize reality. The Golden Age of A&M football that you speak of was a sham. We beat the hell out of the dead SWC on a yearly basis and added one or two automatic cupcake wins every year and PRESTO.... A&M's golden age is born. It was nothing to swoon over. Perhaps had we recognized this back in the day we wouldn't be sitting here in 2025 still trying to figure out what we're doing wrong because we clearly suck at running a football program.waynehisler said:
Most of these teams that you're talking about have been paying players for years. That includes Bama, Ohio State, LSU, etc. We will be fine. We have as much money as anyone and now we too can pay. We need Elko to learn, get better, and we need to attract and pay the best players to come play for us. The culture stuff is stupid. It's not an impediment. Get the players, win, and everything else falls by the wayside. Nobody was complaining about our culture when we had the legit Wrecking Crew and we were consistently winning.
RC got to play most of those years in a glorified Mountain West conference and had no offensive prowess. The best QB he ever developed was Bucky Richardson who was a career 3rd stringer in the NFL. He didn't even recruit him, Jackie did.Aggies2009 said:That seems like quite an oversimplification of RC, if you're looking at one quote he said and judging him/his career on that.zb008 said:
The fact that RC, someone who once pointed out how many teams lost on the same day as A&M, is idolized as much as he is around here is an indictment on our culture.
RC is liked because he won 4 conference titles in the 14 years he was here (people cry that we haven't won a conference title since 98). He also has the most wins of any coach in our history. I think he's the only coach since before Bear Bryant to be here more than like 7 years, and he's also in the College Football Hall of Fame. That's why RC is 'idolized' here.
I don't accept that. And I don't know why our fans are b****ing about our season. This was Elko's first season. We had a lot of transfers after Jimbo was fired. Elko and his staff did very well in the portal considering Elko was drinking from a fire hose at this time last year. I firmly believe our future is bright under Elko. AND our past is NOT a prediction of our future. #GigEm and #BTHOeveryone next season!
The only thing that has caused us significant problems over the past 12 or so years is that we are paranoid about losing a good coach. Dumb contracts always leave us having to wait extra years to move on from one that doesn't get the job done. We are terrified of the optics of someone hiring our coach away. I suspect that goes all the way back to Bear Bryant.
Yet, we're seemingly comfortable with the optics going 8-4/7-5 every season with a 10-2 season thrown in once a decade to make it "competitive".Stinky T said:
The only thing that has caused us significant problems over the past 12 or so years is that we are paranoid about losing a good coach. Dumb contracts always leave us having to wait extra years to move on from one that doesn't get the job done. We are terrified of the optics of someone hiring our coach away. I suspect that goes all the way back to Bear Bryant.
Aggies can be an odd bunch.
That 10-2 season is what always gets us in trouble. It was USC that was coming for Sumlin, LSU for Jimbo. The problem was neither had won a damn thing yet.
True. I believe Indiana may have just made the same mistake. One solid season and now Cignetti is making 9 million a year through 2032 with 85% of it guaranteed should he be fired. Hopefully, A&M will soon be surpassed by some school in having to fork out the largest buyout in history.Stinky T said:
That 10-2 season is what always gets us in trouble. It was USC that was coming for Sumlin, LSU for Jimbo. The problem was neither had won a damn thing yet.
We are cursed, period.
There literally is no other explanation...
We can't even have a single Indiana, or Boise State year...
Our last championship was in 98, against a team we lose 99 times out of a 100 to.
We have unlimited funds, top 5 facilities, we put 110K in the stands every year, no matter what.
The 12th man does deserve better, much better!
There literally is no other explanation...
We can't even have a single Indiana, or Boise State year...
Our last championship was in 98, against a team we lose 99 times out of a 100 to.
We have unlimited funds, top 5 facilities, we put 110K in the stands every year, no matter what.
The 12th man does deserve better, much better!
Please. Boise State year? While not a perennial power house nor one of the elite "blue blood" programs Boise State has had more success and has been in the conversation much more than A&M in the past few decades. We may pretend Boise State is below us on the pecking order of things but thats just Aggies talking *****.. which is one of the few things we are good at concerning football.oldschool87 said:
We are cursed, period.
There literally is no other explanation...
We can't even have a single Indiana, or Boise State year...
Our last championship was in 98, against a team we lose 99 times out of a 100 to.
We have unlimited funds, top 5 facilities, we put 110K in the stands every year, no matter what.
The 12th man does deserve better, much better!
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