MagnumLoad said:

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The last good hire was Jackie Sherrill by Bum Bright. He first went after Bo Schembechler at Michigan, who considered it but referred him to Sherrill who was tearing it up at Pittsburgh. Sherrill brought in RC for DC, as I recall. Slocum then succeeded him, whom we foolishly later fired. Whoever is hiring the head coach since then is completely incompetent to do so. The problem is not a curse, or our military component, or lack of cheer leaders. It is very simply whoever the idiot or idiots is/are that are doing the hiring. And their contracts are so bad I can't adequately describe it.

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We didn't foolishly fire RC. But we could have supported football better then.

That's a hint on now. Quit playing games with supporting the program. Sell out Kyle and overfund NIL. Buyout Jimbo fully so you can afford to fire Elko. Refill the $20+ million the TMF handed over to pants first tranche of Jimbo's buyout.

Somehow Alabama hired DeBoer. So he could be hired. However, I am not saying he was the guy. I will say Utah hired Urban Myer when we hired Fran. There is a lot of hindsight there, but Myer was beating big programs at Bowling Green. I was not involved the search so I can't say for sure who should have been hired when we hired Elko. I do know Elko has watched the poor defense that Bateman has produced, and he is a defensive coach. So I have little hope in Elko. I personally would thoroughly vet the younger coaches in today's game. I do know that whoever has made the hires since Slocum are ofer. That's a long streak.

Our problem is that we just had a first year coach go 8-5 and our board wants to fire him for not being better than coaches that had much worse initial seasons at their schools but have now had the luxury of a few years to grow

A head coach is only part of a championship team, it takes a lot of other things as well.

The power players in blue blood programs don't just a hire a coach to win them a natty. They try out coaches, they give direction, they make competent monetary decisions outside of the head coach.

Matt Campbell
Schumann
Brian Hartline

Maybe we need to think outside the box a little bit and not always rely on coaches who have to be head coaches. Look more at assistant coaches or even up and coming position coaches. Our record of hiring has been bad so why not try something different

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Somehow Alabama hired DeBoer. So he could be hired. However, I am not saying he was the guy. I will say Utah hired Urban Myer when we hired Fran. There is a lot of hindsight there, but Myer was beating big programs at Bowling Green. I was not involved the search so I can't say for sure who should have been hired when we hired Elko. I do know Elko has watched the poor defense that Bateman has produced, and he is a defensive coach. So I have little hope in Elko. I personally would thoroughly vet the younger coaches in today's game. I do know that whoever has made the hires since Slocum are ofer. That's a long streak.

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Coach Fran

The achievable goal should be getting a run of 9 wins per year. Achievable goal of getting into a conf championship game in 3 years.

There has to be a competent power structure and AD to manage expectation and direct the head coach. Sark does not "run the show" at tu.

Aggie seems to just try to shortcut and buy some players, buy a coach etc without direction or purpose or program scaffolding.

Shane Beamer is a good coach

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Not for us

We had already fired jimbo and in the portal
Era you can't leave your roster unattended for long or it will get poached bigtime
We would have had to wait until Washington's playoff run was over and then contact Deboer hoping he'd be interested

By all accounts he wouldn't even take our call while his team was still playing, and that may be because he knew Saban was retiring and he had the bama job locked up, maybe not, but either way wayyyyy too risky for us

But saban retired after the playoffs and bama hired him then

And 9-3 with bamas roster ain't that good

The only three coaches that have contributed anything meaningful to the program in the last 85 years were: (1) RC for winning our only conference championship in the past 33 years, (2) Sherman for recruiting JFF and (3) Sumlin, for starting him.

The problem, it seems, is that the majority of coaching knowledge and talent lies outside of the coaching profession.

I wished Sumlin could've worked out. I always liked his swagger.

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The last good hire was Jackie Sherrill by Bum Bright. He first went after Bo Schembechler at Michigan, who considered it but referred him to Sherrill who was tearing it up at Pittsburgh. Sherrill brought in RC for DC, as I recall. Slocum then succeeded him, whom we foolishly later fired. Whoever is hiring the head coach since then is completely incompetent to do so. The problem is not a curse, or our military component, or lack of cheer leaders. It is very simply whoever the idiot or idiots is/are that are doing the hiring. And their contracts are so bad I can't adequately describe it.

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Lost all credibility with this statement. Congratulations on being that which you are attempting to attack. That being the incompetents that decide who is hired and fired.

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Elkos contract is very reasonable in today's game. So maybe the powers are learning a little

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A 7 year contract for an unproven coach is horse crap for A&M!

Could've been Mark Stoops.

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The last good hire was Jackie Sherrill by Bum Bright. He first went after Bo Schembechler at Michigan, who considered it but referred him to Sherrill who was tearing it up at Pittsburgh. Sherrill brought in RC for DC, as I recall. Slocum then succeeded him, whom we foolishly later fired. Whoever is hiring the head coach since then is completely incompetent to do so. The problem is not a curse, or our military component, or lack of cheer leaders. It is very simply whoever the idiot or idiots is/are that are doing the hiring. And their contracts are so bad I can't adequately describe it.

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Lost all credibility with this statement. Congratulations on being that which you are attempting to attack. That being the incompetents that decide who is hired and fired.

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Same people for the past forty years?

The fact that our options were Elko and Stoops is so telling. After the obvious calls to Lanning and DeBoer we went to the old safe and stagnant

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The last good hire was Jackie Sherrill by Bum Bright. He first went after Bo Schembechler at Michigan, who considered it but referred him to Sherrill who was tearing it up at Pittsburgh. Sherrill brought in RC for DC, as I recall. Slocum then succeeded him, whom we foolishly later fired. Whoever is hiring the head coach since then is completely incompetent to do so. The problem is not a curse, or our military component, or lack of cheer leaders. It is very simply whoever the idiot or idiots is/are that are doing the hiring. And their contracts are so bad I can't adequately describe it.

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Lost all credibility with this statement. Congratulations on being that which you are attempting to attack. That being the incompetents that decide who is hired and fired.

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Same people for the past forty years?

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Clarify... no clue what you're actually asking?

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MagnumLoad said:

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The last good hire was Jackie Sherrill by Bum Bright. He first went after Bo Schembechler at Michigan, who considered it but referred him to Sherrill who was tearing it up at Pittsburgh. Sherrill brought in RC for DC, as I recall. Slocum then succeeded him, whom we foolishly later fired. Whoever is hiring the head coach since then is completely incompetent to do so. The problem is not a curse, or our military component, or lack of cheer leaders. It is very simply whoever the idiot or idiots is/are that are doing the hiring. And their contracts are so bad I can't adequately describe it.

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Lost all credibility with this statement. Congratulations on being that which you are attempting to attack. That being the incompetents that decide who is hired and fired.

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Same people for the past forty years?

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Clarify... no clue what you're actually asking?

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Been a lot of turnover.

But let me ask this: How is hiring people to run the school and who can be nails on football coach selection any less an intractable problem than just hiring the right coach?

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The fact that our options were Elko and Stoops is so telling. After the obvious calls to Lanning and DeBoer we went to the old safe and stagnant

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This! We don't know how Elko will end up but, on paper, Elko was Stoops but with less experience. He was a comfortable choice though because he coached here recently. That really tells the story.

Meanwhile many of the successful hires recently have been young assistants that were mentored by highly successful coaches with established winning cultures. Our situation was ideal for a similar hire but we, of course, wanted to go the safe route.

I once heard that Kubiak wanted the OC position when Toledo was regrettably canned by RC. RC didn't think he was experienced enough and hired Steve Emsinger (terrible hire). Kubiak went to work for Bill Walsh (SF 49ers) as a QB coach.

The narrow, unimaginative vision of our latest hire is in this same vein.

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Our problem is that we just had a first year coach go 8-5 and our board wants to fire him for not being better than coaches that had much worse initial seasons at their schools but have now had the luxury of a few years to grow

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This is the correct answer. This board is filled with the biggest collection of idiots.

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If we are idiots, who complain about one of the most inept college football programs in America, what are the idiots who support the program and say give us more of the same?

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Our problem is that we just had a first year coach go 8-5 and our board wants to fire him for not being better than coaches that had much worse initial seasons at their schools but have now had the luxury of a few years to grow

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It's how we lost. And the trend. He said we can't defend the pass, stop the run, or get to the quarterback. Whose fault is that? Do we just have bad talent? Evaluate your talent and use it well. Bryce Anderson is not s safety. Not enough speed. He was s good nickel. I could go on.

Not so sure if it's the hiring or how we treat them after 1 season of success. Seems like once we get one good season out of them, they all fall apart. Fran post 2006, Sherman post 2010, Sumlin post 2012, and Jimbo post 2020. All seasons that should have been the start of a string of 10 win seasons. The then poof, we struggle to win 8 games during the season.

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The last good hire was Jackie Sherrill by Bum Bright. He first went after Bo Schembechler at Michigan, who considered it but referred him to Sherrill who was tearing it up at Pittsburgh. Sherrill brought in RC for DC, as I recall. Slocum then succeeded him, whom we foolishly later fired. Whoever is hiring the head coach since then is completely incompetent to do so. The problem is not a curse, or our military component, or lack of cheer leaders. It is very simply whoever the idiot or idiots is/are that are doing the hiring. And their contracts are so bad I can't adequately describe it.

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Lost all credibility with this statement. Congratulations on being that which you are attempting to attack. That being the incompetents that decide who is hired and fired.

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I am not attacking anyone. Just stating my opinion of why A&M football has been stuck in average since Sherrill

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Somehow Alabama hired DeBoer. So he could be hired. However, I am not saying he was the guy. I will say Utah hired Urban Myer when we hired Fran. There is a lot of hindsight there, but Myer was beating big programs at Bowling Green. I was not involved the search so I can't say for sure who should have been hired when we hired Elko. I do know Elko has watched the poor defense that Bateman has produced, and he is a defensive coach. So I have little hope in Elko. I personally would thoroughly vet the younger coaches in today's game. I do know that whoever has made the hires since Slocum are ofer. That's a long streak.

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Stupid post. Who was he beating? NOBODY.

Franchione beat ol Miss, ranked 21 at the time, 42-7. They beat #16 UT AT UT by 3 scores & later beat #14 lsu AT Tiger Stadium 31-0. Lost early to #2 ou in Norman & lost to #7 UGA at home by 2. Closed w/a bad loss to Auburn b/f beating Hawaii to finish 10-3.

The AD makes the hire, after whomever you think may have picked them. Easy to have hindsight on the picks.

We hired away Alabama's head coach. We hired away Florida State's national title winning head coach. Those were mega hires that garnered envy and raised eyebrows all across the country. They didn't work out, but you can't credibly or logically complain about those hires without hindsight. Elko doesn't come close to the gravitas of those hires, but we found ourselves in a desperate situation and we made the hire. If it works, we'll be damn lucky. If it doesn't, no one will be surprised.