I love that some of you dumbasses act like every other offense in the SEC put up all of their points against elite defenses week in and week out.

Every team has outbursts here and there.

You guys are the same ones that probably say "Sure he had a nice ypc average, but if you take out his 2 runs over 40+, it was pretty average".

It's funny when your emotional, petulant rants run in to hard statistics.

I'm not saying Klein was good, because I agree we have a long way to go on offense - but most of his issues were situational (i.e. trying to run when the defense knew we needed to run).

But continue your crying, by all means.

A. G. Pennypacker said:

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Gol***93 said:

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I'm not sure where exactly I land.. but I think I'm inclined to believe he should get another year. This tweet was surprising to me.

#1 scoring offense in SEC play.

Top scoring SEC offense vs. conf. teams last 5 years ...

2020: Alabama 49.7
2021: Georgia 37.8
2022: Tenn. 43.4
2023: LSU 42.9
2024: Texas A&M 29.4

— Michael Casagrande (@ByCasagrande) December 2, 2024

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Interesting that scoring across the league was so much lower this year than 4 previous.

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The only good qb played for Vanderbilt

Gol***93 said:

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I'm not sure where exactly I land.. but I think I'm inclined to believe he should get another year. This tweet was surprising to me.

#1 scoring offense in SEC play.

Top scoring SEC offense vs. conf. teams last 5 years ...

2020: Alabama 49.7
2021: Georgia 37.8
2022: Tenn. 43.4
2023: LSU 42.9
2024: Texas A&M 29.4

— Michael Casagrande (@ByCasagrande) December 2, 2024

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Good for him. What did he do the last 3 conference games when everything was on the line?

Speaking of Klein's OC prowess proven through stats, another astute poster compiled some go for it on 4th down stats. These last 3 of the season stood out to me and seem to summarize Klein succinctly.

tu
*(9:39 1st) 4th & 1 at tu 10 - AD run fail
*(0:30 2nd) 4th & 3 at tu 43 - MR run fail
*(4:36 4th) 4th & Goal at tu 1 - AD run fail

A. G. Pennypacker said:

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Gol***93 said:

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I'm not sure where exactly I land.. but I think I'm inclined to believe he should get another year. This tweet was surprising to me.

#1 scoring offense in SEC play.

Top scoring SEC offense vs. conf. teams last 5 years ...

2020: Alabama 49.7
2021: Georgia 37.8
2022: Tenn. 43.4
2023: LSU 42.9
2024: Texas A&M 29.4

— Michael Casagrande (@ByCasagrande) December 2, 2024

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Interesting that scoring across the league was so much lower this year than 4 previous.

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No one had a Tua T, Stetson B, or Jayden D this year.

Statistically, Colin Klein's offense has been good, but also wildly inconsistent. We scored 31+ offensive points in regulation in 4 of 8 SEC games, including in 2 of 4 road games. Unfortunately, we did not score a single offensive point against Texas at home because we failed to convert 4th and 1 at the Texas 10-yard line on our opening drive and failed to score on 4th and goal from the Texas 1-yard line with 4:36 left in the game. We failed to score more than 21 offensive points in 3 other games: 13 against Notre Dame (home), 21 against Arkansas (neutral), and 20 against South Carolina (away). When we scored 26+ offensive points in regulation, we went 7-1, but when we scored 21 offensive points or fewer, we went 1-3.

Klein's offense has had several games with bad offensive halves.
@Florida: 20 points in the 1st half and 6 points (the other 7 came on a pick-6) in the 2nd half.
Arkansas: 14 points in the 1st half and 7 points in the 2nd half
LSU: 7 points in the 1st half and 31 points in the 2nd half
@South Carolina: 20 points in the 1st half and 0 points in the 2nd half
@Auburn: 7 points in the 1st half and 24 points in the 2nd half of regulation

Klein's offense was good from start to finish in just 2 SEC games:
Missouri: 24 in the 1st half and 17 in the 2nd half
@Mississippi State: 21 in the 1st half and 13 in the 2nd half

Ag1188 said:

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the most cool guy said:

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chap said:

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No. That guy's stats are wrong. He just looked at total points scored, including defensive scores, which isn't how you measure an OFFENSE's productivity. Our offense averaged 27.6 points per game. tu, Alabama, Georgia, and Ole Miss offenses all averaged more points per game than our offense did.

And in his defense the point of his tweet wasn't to point out who had the leading offense, just that points scored are dramatically down this year. He just mistakenly said "offense" in his tweet.

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If you control for points scored in regulation as well, it puts us at 26.375 ppg. What rank is that?

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Now factor in which teams we scored most our points against. It was the terrible teams, minus LSU's 2nd half - not that LSU's defense is good either.

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everybody runs it up on the bad teams, thats how it works

Gol***93 said:

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I'm not sure where exactly I land.. but I think I'm inclined to believe he should get another year. This tweet was surprising to me.

#1 scoring offense in SEC play.

Top scoring SEC offense vs. conf. teams last 5 years ...

2020: Alabama 49.7
2021: Georgia 37.8
2022: Tenn. 43.4
2023: LSU 42.9
2024: Texas A&M 29.4

— Michael Casagrande (@ByCasagrande) December 2, 2024

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I don't hate him. I just think he sucks at his job.

Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Real SEC scoring stats- excluding all points scored by a defender and their subsequent PATs or 2pt conversions and excluding all points scored in OT:

1. Texas, 28.5 ppg
2. Alabama, 28.125 ppg
3. Georgia, 28 ppg
4. Ole Miss, 27.5 ppg
T5. Florida, 26.375 ppg
T5. Texas A&M, 26.375 ppg <<
7. South Carolina, 26.25 ppg
8. LSU, 24.875 ppg
T9. Arkansas, 23.75 ppg
T9. Tennessee, 23.75 ppg
11. Mississippi St., 21.125 ppg
12. Missouri, 20.5 ppg
13. Vanderbilt, 19.375 ppg
14. Auburn, 16.75 ppg
15. Kentucky, 13.25 ppg
16. Oklahoma, 12.875 ppg


Lots of SEC teams masked offensive deficiencies with defensive scores this year. Texas, oddly enough, did not score on defense against SEC opponents. Nearly everyone else did.


We beat the T5th, 8th, T9th, 11th and 12th scoring offenses in the SEC, and lost to the 1st, 7th, and 14th ranked SEC offenses.

Not terrible, but looks like we pretty much just beat teams that were bad at scoring in the SEC. Our offense has some work to do.

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Thank you for adjusting SEC offensive scoring points in regulation by removing defensive or special teams touchdowns and their subsequent PATS or 2-point conversions, and overtime points. This metric provides a much better ranking of offensive scoring in regulation in SEC competition than simply points scored per SEC game. Of course, it's not perfect because turnovers and kickoff and punt returns often create great starting field positions that result in much shorter scoring drives, but it's still provides a much more accurate picture of true offensive production.

I'm not a fan of moral victories etc…but ….

1. Our defense gets really hot at times. We give up too many explosive plays and don't stop enough drives at key times.
2. Our players seem more happy and united than many seasons. There's a palpable brotherhood that stays consistent. This can't be understated.
3. I like Elko and in the first year he almost had us in the SEC championship game.
4. Every team has injuries but we got a lot of running backs hurt.
5. We struggled to find our QB1 this season.
6. We have a great kicker and punter.
7. The 12th man is doing their part.
8. When Jimbo left we had a talent drain of great players leave.
9. Flame away, but I can see us improving a good deal next year.
10. Our fan base is a consistent asset every year.
11. There is stiff competition in the SEC and dynasties will likely not last as long.
12. The SEC is special.
13. I remain very proud to be a Texas Aggie regardless of sports but we can succeed on and off the field.
14. The NIL has raised variables in college ball that will take some adjusting.
15. We need to continue to grow our world elite research base to attract more technology money and make College Station ever more attractive.
16. Almost all schools wish they had our resources, loyalty, values, traditions, and spirit.
17. We are the largest in the state; time to reduce our student body size and work on being more selective.
18. We have reasons for true hope and can create a dynasty or at least a minor dynasty every single year.
19. I mean to be realistic and not just drink the Kool-Ade. A significant shift has occurred.
20. We need to be hungry and play with a blue collar attitude.

vander54 said:

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Yeah. It's a strange year.

New clock rules?
Better defenses?
Crappy QB play?

I'd love to dig into it all if i had the raw data and time.

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A lot of injured QBs.

First things on your list, totally correct. Assuming we don't lose critical players to the portal, we have a strong foundation going forward (for the most part).

Team has an opportunity to build a better-than-average passing offense where we pass to set up the run game. Defense just needs to improve by 15-20%.

Will Elko allow Klein to create a good passing offense? Do we have/will we get the players necessary to create a good passing offense?

Some enterprising reporter should ask Elko these things in a press conference.

More of a fact that SEC was down this yr in offensive production (and not due to great defenses). Top QBs left, but most surprised by Ol Piss and Tenn not dominated offensive stats (get that Tenn had an inexperienced QB and played a much tougher sched than we did).

is that the same Klein that architected the ZERO offensive points last week - heck, give him a raise!!!

runontexas said:

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A Klein offense with Moss & Owens next year will be SCARY

#BirdsUp #GigEm

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Not if he keeps trying stuff that 100% wont' work...like running up the middle against a defense that is expecting it.

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I will say I re-watched the first drive 4th and 1 play and Reuben Owen's gets the yard. There was a hole there and Amari dives into the defender.

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Most of the time, there is a whole. Unfortunate he misses it sometimes.

Paul Pierce Ag said:

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vander54 said:

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That's still not the best because you have to look at quality of the oppenents but then that's not accuraye because the opponent's may play a very weak schedule as well. Then you need to look at situational scoring. Did the team score in garbage time or did they play conservative because they were dominating.

There is no great measure of a teams offense without going into great detail and digging into a ton of data.

At the end of the day our offense was not bad compared to the conference and we didn't have anywhere near the easiest schedule like tu did.

Saying Klein sucks means half the OC in conference should be fired as well. Klein had his issues but it was year 1 with few injuries that unfortunately were to key peices of the offense.

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I never said my metric was the perfect way to determine the best SEC offense. It's better than the one the OP gave though, and I think it does a good enough job placing teams about where they should be as far as SEC rankings go.

It places us a few spots above avg. in the SEC (and below the upper crust). I think that's pretty close. It gets the top offenses right too, Texas, Bama, Georgia, and Ole Miss. and it gets the bottom feeders right too. It correctly shows how FL with Lagway was sneaky good by the end of the season.

Not saying it's perfect, but I think it's generally right, and I think you would agree with it in principle had it been what that tweet said.

You're lumping me in with the rest of the goon squad on this thread, but I don't belong. I think Klein is worth keeping for another year. Reserve judgement till end of next season. His playcalling at times (especially against Texas) was sus, but you can't deny he schemed a bunch of WRs open over the season that Marcel never saw. There's potential there.


Where you and I disagree is on Marcel Reed. You seem to think he's got a lot of potential. I haven't seen that. Yes, he has been improving, but even so, his best games this year are comparable to a great CFB QB's middling games. I don't like that Marcel never showed us a high-end passing attack, not even against our rent-a-wins. I don't like how every SEC team that knew he was starting basically shut him down. I don't like how he missed/didn't see open WRs nearly every game. QBs with potential don't typically look like this.

Marcel's got a lot of work to do in this offseason if he wants to prove me wrong. I'd love to see it though.

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Spot on.

As much as there was some dumbassery with the play calling against tu, Marcel did not help the situation. He missed a for sure TD in the 3rd when he panicked instead of stepping up into the pocket and hitting an open WR on a post route that would have scored a TD. He also missed guys in other games. The Film Room posts that come every Wed after a game are very insightful with the good/bad/ugly on the offense. The consensus from McGee seems to be that Reed is just not trusting himself, or the WR's and making quick decisions and releasing the ball...there are times the play is there, but he's not releasing the ball fast enough. That split second/hitch step is enough of a delay to cause a negative instead of a positive.

Reed obviously has a ton of talent, but his completion %% is the same now as it was in HS (~60%) which is really not good enough to win a lot of games at the college level.

Gol***93 said:

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I'm not sure where exactly I land.. but I think I'm inclined to believe he should get another year. This tweet was surprising to me.

#1 scoring offense in SEC play.

Top scoring SEC offense vs. conf. teams last 5 years ...

2020: Alabama 49.7
2021: Georgia 37.8
2022: Tenn. 43.4
2023: LSU 42.9
2024: Texas A&M 29.4

— Michael Casagrande (@ByCasagrande) December 2, 2024

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List all the statistics you want and I originally thought Klein was a great hire as they said he conforms his play calling to his talent.

We lost three conference games.

tu defense held our offense scorelessZERO points (except fg).

As all know, if we had beaten tu we would have gone to the SEC Championship.

When you have a dual threat qb and you run pro style offense, hello stupid!!!

When you get stuffed multiple times (in different games) running between the tackles, hello stupid.

You can't fix stupid.

Get new OC.

Klien learned NOTHING from run play failure in games vs. Notre Dame and SC, and he knew the sips had a formidable DL. His play-calling in critical 3rd down and 4th down plays was atrocious. I don't see how anyone could offer an excuse for him.

you just shouldn't survive getting shut out by the longhorns while calling plays at A&M. Its just not acceptable.

The problem existed over different qb's.

• ZERO against tu

HTH

I don't hate him. He just isn't good. We need better. He might get better, but we don't have time for trainees.

vander54 said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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Only stat i care about, 0 against our in state ****** bag rivals, while battling for atlanta.

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So everything boils down to 1 game?

All that masters is tu?

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I wouldn't say everything boils down to 1 game, but the only one that truly matters year in and year out, is the tu game for sure.......

Not sure why that seems to be a bad thing from your perspective.

vander54 said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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Only stat i care about, 0 against our in state ****** bag rivals, while battling for atlanta.

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So everything boils down to 1 game?

All that masters is tu?

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For sure this season. Win, go to Atl with SEC title on the line and chance at CFP. Lose and meaningless bowl game.

If they hadn't wet the bed vs Auburn, we'd still in the SEC Title game.

WallyWonka said:

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Gol***93 said:

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I'm not sure where exactly I land.. but I think I'm inclined to believe he should get another year. This tweet was surprising to me.

#1 scoring offense in SEC play.

Top scoring SEC offense vs. conf. teams last 5 years ...

2020: Alabama 49.7
2021: Georgia 37.8
2022: Tenn. 43.4
2023: LSU 42.9
2024: Texas A&M 29.4

— Michael Casagrande (@ByCasagrande) December 2, 2024

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List all the statistics you want and I originally thought Klein was a great hire as they said he conforms his play calling to his talent.

We lost three conference games.

tu defense held our offense scorelessZERO points (except fg).

As all know, if we had beaten tu we would have gone to the SEC Championship.

When you have a dual threat qb and you run pro style offense, hello stupid!!!

When you get stuffed multiple times (in different games) running between the tackles, hello stupid.

You can't fix stupid.

Get new OC.

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The running between the tackles is mind boggling. Is there ANYONE that has said they thought that 4th down call was a good one? Saw a video with Phil Bennett and he didn't understand it either. One thing he did say is that he thinks it may have actually been Elko calling those plays. And I can totally see that being the case. Elko seems like a pretty stubborn guy. When he said in the presser that that's our 4th down play, he made it sound like we only have 1 - 4th down play which would be crazy.

This is the true kicker here- if Elko was calling offensive plays (even just 1 or 2 per game), it's a huge problem. Trust Klein to do his job, delegate. If he's as good as you think he is, it'll eventually work out.

We don't want Elko calling any offensive plays, Klein should be the absolute best person to know what will work and what won't. I really disliked Elko yelling at Klein to "run the ________ ball" in the ND game for example. Let Klein cook.

Kinda like how Saban let Kiffin cook. That's the standard.

highest scoring offense in the SEC matters as much as warm pile of dog poop. we lost 3 conference games and finished out the last four games 1-3 and out of those four games the only decent game was NM state and if you want to look at it further the LSU game was a garbage game with 5 to 6 plays that reed making being the difference.

But this post is specifically about the offense and not the overall team. So it is very relevant to how our offense did.

runontexas said:

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A Klein offense with Moss & Owens next year will be SCARY

#BirdsUp #GigEm

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Not if we cannot run/pass block or throw the ball down the field.

Big 12 does transfer to SEC

NowhereMan said:

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Big 12 does transfer to SEC

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Sips seemed to do pretty well with a team from the Big 12. Not defending Klein, but can we just stop with the big 12 comparisons. Been doing it for years and it never fails that during the bowls the Big 12 teams would routinely knock off a vaunted SEC team or several.

why all the hate on Klein on the 4th down calls? you know that Elko in all likelihood told him what type of play to run.

Moss carried kliens terrible play calling. No moss now and you see his real talent in play calling.

vander54 said:

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Most games were pretty close. We ranged from 20-41 until tu

33
21
42
34
38
20
41
7

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Our offense scored ZERO against sip.