no

bulverdeaggie93 said:

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a 3 loss sec team isn't making the playoffs

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You misspelled is

The Marksman said:

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RARay said:

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The Marksman said:

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People who think the SEC runner-up is going to be left out of the playoffs are just crybaby conspiracy theorists who think everything is rigged

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Last year they left out the undefeated ACC champion.

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1. Last year was a 4 team playoff, not a 12 team playoff. You know that just as well as I do, but choose to ignore it.
2. Since when were the SEC and ACC comparable football leagues?
3. Don't forget the Jordan Travis injury. It wasn't fair to FSU that the injury made a difference, but that was a unique circumstance.

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I didn't ignore anything. If an undefeated conference champion can be left out of a four-team playoff, then a multi-loss non-champion can be left out of a 12-team playoff.

We really talking about 3 loss teams making the playoffs?
The SEC championship IS a playoff. If you lose it then why should you be rewarded with a playoff spot?

If every SEC favorite wins their remaining conference games over the next 3 weeks and Arkansas beats Missouri in Columbia, 9-3 (6-2 SEC) LSU would play the winner of the Texas vs Texas A&M game in the SEC Championship Game. I think a loss to 9-3 (6-2 SEC) LSU in the SEC Championship Game would likely knock us out of the playoffs, but I don't think a loss to 10-2 (6-2 SEC) Alabama in the SEC Championship Game would have the same impact.

Wild Scenario:

If every SEC Favorite wins the next 3 weeks + Arkansas beats Missouri

Then LSU is in the SEC Championship Game vs the winner of Texas and A&M. pic.twitter.com/s0qByUYlRN

— Peter Burns (@PeterBurnsESPN) November 13, 2024

1. Texas A&M (7 - 1)

2. LSU (6 - 2)
Above Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas based on conference opponent win percentage (0.5313).

3. Alabama (6 - 2)
With Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.5).
Above Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas based on conference opponent win percentage (0.5).

4. Georgia (6 - 2)
With Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.4375).
With Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas, below Alabama based on conference opponent win percentage (0.4375).
With Tennessee and Texas, above Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-0).
Above Tennessee and Texas based on round-robin record due to a round-robin sweep (2-0).

5. Texas (6 - 2)
With Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Tennessee, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.375).
With Georgia, Ole Miss, and Tennessee, below Alabama based on conference opponent win percentage (0.375).
With Georgia and Tennessee, above Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-0).
With Tennessee, below Georgia based on round-robin record due to a round-robin sweep (0-1).
Above Tennessee based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (6-1).

6. Tennessee (6 - 2)
With Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Texas, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3594).
With Georgia, Ole Miss, and Texas, below Alabama based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3594).
With Georgia and Texas, above Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-0).
With Texas, below Georgia based on round-robin record due to a round-robin sweep (0-1).
Below Texas based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (5-2).

7. Ole Miss (6 - 2)
With Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3906).
With Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, below Alabama based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3906).
Below Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (2-1).

If every SEC favorite wins their remaining conference games over the next 3 weeks and Missouri beats Arkansas, Alabama would play the winner the Texas vs Texas A&M game in the SEC Championship Game. Barring any other upset in the remaining conference games, the Arkansas vs Missouri game will determine if LSU or Alabama plays the winner of the Texas vs Texas A&M game.

https://bball.notnothing.net/bracket.php?conf=secfb

1. Texas A&M (7 - 1)

2. Alabama (6 - 2)
With LSU, above Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas based on conference opponent win percentage (0.5156).
Above LSU based on head-to-head record (1-0).

3. LSU (6 - 2)
With Alabama, above Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas based on conference opponent win percentage (0.5156).
Below Alabama based on head-to-head record (0-1).

4. Georgia (6 - 2)
With Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas, below Alabama and LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.4375).
With Tennessee and Texas, above Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-0).
Above Tennessee and Texas based on round-robin record due to a round-robin sweep (2-0).

5. Texas (6 - 2)
With Georgia, Ole Miss, and Tennessee, below Alabama and LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3594).
With Georgia and Tennessee, above Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-0).
With Tennessee, below Georgia based on round-robin record due to a round-robin sweep (0-1).
Above Tennessee based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (6-1).

6. Tennessee (6 - 2)
With Georgia, Ole Miss, and Texas, below Alabama and LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3438).
With Georgia and Texas, above Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-0).
With Texas, below Georgia based on round-robin record due to a round-robin sweep (0-1).
Below Texas based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (5-2).

7. Ole Miss (6 - 2)
With Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, below Alabama and LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.375).
Below Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (2-1).

A few things

this has been discussed about 1000 times in the last few weeks and always end up in the same place - some think we're in with a championship game appearance, even if we lose (non-blowout) - I'm in this camp. Some think a 10-3 A&M team that lost game 3 in the championship is out.

I will say comparing any of this to a 4 game playoff makes NO sense and here is why -

In a 4 game playoff, it was rare for conferences to get 2 teams in.

In a world where you have 1 team going from most conferences, it obviously means that you take the team that won the conference championship.

We're no longer in that scenario. The problem is you're not talking about them taking just the winner and leaving the loser out. You're talking about them taking the winner and THREE non-participants over the loser.

The CFP won't want to set that precedent and honestly, Sankey will likely be telling them not to set that precedent either.

This is especially true in the SEC where we no longer have divisions, so it's not like the West had 3 teams that all had 1 loss and the east winner had 3 or something weird like that.

I think you'll be able to tell by the rankings pre-championship weekend.

If A&M beats 10 and suddenly vaults up to 5-6, it's a pretty good sign we're in no matter what. If A&M wins that game and is ranked 10 or 11, it basically means we have to win.

I think we'll vault up because I think the committee will basically set the board up such that losers in the Big 10 and the SEC can take a small hit and still be in the field.

Quote:

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Heather Dinich, member of the CFP committee

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Heather Dinich is NOT a member of the CFP.

She is a reporter from ESPN.

Nobody from the committee talks about what the committee is doing except for the chair.

bulverdeaggie93 said:

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this isn't 2023

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Profound

3 loss A&M gets left out. Too many big name SEC teams can backdoor us if we lose the SEC Championship.

barnag said:

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as long as it's not a blowout, the loser of the SEC championship game will be in the playoffs.

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The top 2 SEC teams should be auto in before the game is even played.

If there is a tie (and there very likely will be), there are more than two teams at the top. All the tiebreaker does is determines who plays in the CCG. It doesn't separate #2 from #3 in anybody's who matters' mind, especially the committee.

Or the SEC would use CFP ranking as the tiebreaker. Which nobody wants.

I don't know the answer. But I'll say this….

The losing team should just consider it a loss in the first round and be happy to have made it that far.

Especially if it was us.

20ag07 said:

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If there is a tie (and there very likely will be), there are more than two teams at the top. All the tiebreaker does is determines who plays in the CCG. It doesn't separate #2 from #3 in anybody's who matters' mind, especially the committee.

Or the SEC would use CFP ranking as the tiebreaker. Which nobody wants.

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If we get to Atlanta we will either have sole possession of first place as the only 1 conference loss sec team or be tied for first with Tennessee with us both being 1 loss teams

There cs t be any other 1 conference loss sec teams

This is factually incorrect. There are multiple 6-2 tiebreakers we can win.

Phone bill said:

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Won't happen. They will have no good wins. If anything it would be Bama or Ole Miss getting in over us.

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I think Bama is getting in regardless unless they lose a regular season game, which I don't see happening

One miss is currently in as of today and will probably creep up a couple of spots and be safely in as well

That leaves the Georgia/tenessee winner and the A&M/tu winner

If Georgia beats Tennessee and we win out then Tennessee is r Texas will both be likely sitting right behind us with 10-2 records and we'll be playing bama

If we lose close to Bama it's up to the committee to keep us in or put Tennessee or Texas in

If we are still behind both Tennessee and Texas going into the ccg then we're out with a loss

If Tennessee beats Georgia then Georgia is out
And Tennessee is likely safely in even with a ccg loss because tgst would only be their 2nd loss

If we lost to Tennessee, you'd have Bama and Tennessee and ole miss likely in the field with us and tu for the last spot

We should go but I don't trust any committees

Depends on how big the brand is.

Gyles Marrett said:

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If A&M and Texas both go 10-2, we beat them and go to the SEC title game, it would set a horrible precedent to leave A&M out due to a title game loss and put in the 10-2 Texas team who lost to A&M and missed out on the title game.

You are then punishing teams for making it to the conference championship game.

That being said I certainly could see the committee screwing A&M like that and putting Texas in.

If it did happen, would it be infuriating? Yes. Would I take as a consolation beating Texas in their first year in the conference to go to the SEC Championship game and keep them out? Also Yes.

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It will happen… as Texas born & raised for 60 years, and a Fightin' Texas Aggie for the last 15 years and a Razorback fan before that… it's the way of the world for the elite privileged Longhorns.

We should defect to an easier conference. No injuries or challenges all season and then in the playoffs. The current setup and votes for playoff spots is BS.

SEC hates us and their refs suck/throw games.

Vandy is going to struggle down the stretch
They are likely a little banged up & not deep
Also they aren't sneaking up on anybody and everybody has lots of tape on Vandy now

AGDAD14 said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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If A&M and Texas both go 10-2, we beat them and go to the SEC title game, it would set a horrible precedent to leave A&M out due to a title game loss and put in the 10-2 Texas team who lost to A&M and missed out on the title game.

You are then punishing teams for making it to the conference championship game.

That being said I certainly could see the committee screwing A&M like that and putting Texas in.

If it did happen, would it be infuriating? Yes. Would I take as a consolation beating Texas in their first year in the conference to go to the SEC Championship game and keep them out? Also Yes.

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It will happen… as Texas born & raised for 60 years, and a Fightin' Texas Aggie for the last 15 years and a Razorback fan before that… it's the way of the world for the elite privileged Longhorns.

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I really don't understand why y'all think Texas is so mobbed up. In the last 50 years, they had one decent run. Other than that, they've been occasionally good, but more often than not, average to bad. If they truly had the political and financial influence y'all say they do, they'd have 10 natties by now.

Gyles Marrett said:

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If A&M and Texas both go 10-2, we beat them and go to the SEC title game, it would set a horrible precedent to leave A&M out due to a title game loss and put in the 10-2 Texas team who lost to A&M and missed out on the title game.

You are then punishing teams for making it to the conference championship game.

That being said I certainly could see the committee screwing A&M like that and putting Texas in.

If it did happen, would it be infuriating? Yes. Would I take as a consolation beating Texas in their first year in the conference to go to the SEC Championship game and keep them out? Also Yes.

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No way the committee is leaving out a 2-loss tu. No way. They're married to the thought of having those clowns in. I'm debating whether even a third loss knocks them out.

dixichkn said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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If A&M and Texas both go 10-2, we beat them and go to the SEC title game, it would set a horrible precedent to leave A&M out due to a title game loss and put in the 10-2 Texas team who lost to A&M and missed out on the title game.

You are then punishing teams for making it to the conference championship game.

That being said I certainly could see the committee screwing A&M like that and putting Texas in.

If it did happen, would it be infuriating? Yes. Would I take as a consolation beating Texas in their first year in the conference to go to the SEC Championship game and keep them out? Also Yes.

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No way the committee is leaving out a 2-loss tu. No way. They're married to the thought of having those clowns in. I'm debating whether even a third loss knocks them out.

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Why do you think Texas has that kind of influence?

Does the fact that sip has zero top 25 wins, got trounced at home by the only team they've played with a pulse and yet still sit at #2 in the rankings not register with you at ALL? They got run straight up to #1 twice already without playing anyone of consequence

Deny it all you want. But the pollsters and especially ESiPN practically piss themselves at the mere mention of tu. Geargia has two top 10 road losses and a convincing road win over sip and are on the bubble of being out of the playoff conversation altogether.

This is just because they have them slotted right now as the SEC champ. If they lose 1 game they will drop like a rock. At that point they have no choice but to compare resumes with other 2 loss SEC teams.

dixichkn said:

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Does the fact that sip has zero top 25 wins, got trounced at home by the only team they've played with a pulse and yet still sit at #2 in the rankings not register with you at ALL? They got run straight up to #1 twice already without playing anyone of consequence

Deny it all you want. But the pollsters and especially ESiPN practically piss themselves at the mere mention of tu. Geargia has two top 10 road losses and a convincing road win over sip and are on the bubble of being out of the playoff conversation altogether.

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Yep

There's just certain teams that always get the benefit of the doubt, like Texas and Ohio st, and especially Texas because they haven't been relevant for a long time and the media desperately wants them to be so whenever they have an opportunity to make them relevant, they take it

Notre dame is another such team
Same with Michigan

Phone bill said:

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Won't happen. They will have no good wins. If anything it would be Bama or Ole Miss getting in over us.

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So much to unpack with this discussion but in the end…..If the Ags win their last three and lose the SEC Championship I don't think they make it in with 3 losses……however, I don't see the horns getting in either. Their resume wouldn't put them in over Bama or Ole Miss if those teams won out. The committee will take their strength if schedule into account.

Bless your hearts all of you that think it has to make sense.


They'll look for any excuse to get tu in, and damn near any excuse to keep A&M out.

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They'll look for any excuse to get tu in, and damn near any excuse to keep A&M out.

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Yeah, they're definitely out there searching for excuses.

It's not like we are just dumping them in their laps with 20 point losses.

TyperWoods said:

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Bless your hearts all of you that think it has to make sense.


They'll look for any excuse to get tu in, and damn near any excuse to keep A&M out.

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Ah yes, the old "woe is me, the world is against A&M, it's all one big conspiracy" poster. Insufferable and not remotely logical.

NyAggie said:

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Phone bill said:

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Won't happen. They will have no good wins. If anything it would be Bama or Ole Miss getting in over us.

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I think Bama is getting in regardless unless they lose a regular season game, which I don't see happening

One miss is currently in as of today and will probably creep up a couple of spots and be safely in as well

That leaves the Georgia/tenessee winner and the A&M/tu winner

If Georgia beats Tennessee and we win out then Tennessee is r Texas will both be likely sitting right behind us with 10-2 records and we'll be playing bama

If we lose close to Bama it's up to the committee to keep us in or put Tennessee or Texas in

If we are still behind both Tennessee and Texas going into the ccg then we're out with a loss

If Tennessee beats Georgia then Georgia is out
And Tennessee is likely safely in even with a ccg loss because tgst would only be their 2nd loss

If we lost to Tennessee, you'd have Bama and Tennessee and ole miss likely in the field with us and tu for the last spot

We should go but I don't trust any committees

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I thought Alabama would reach the SEC Championship Game by simply winning out, but there is a wild scenario in which LSU can still each the SEC Championship Game. If every SEC favorite wins their remaining conference games over the next 3 weeks and Arkansas beats Missouri in Columbia, 9-3 (6-2 SEC) LSU would play the winner of the Texas vs Texas A&M game in the SEC Championship Game.

Wild Scenario:

If every SEC Favorite wins the next 3 weeks + Arkansas beats Missouri

Then LSU is in the SEC Championship Game vs the winner of Texas and A&M. pic.twitter.com/s0qByUYlRN

— Peter Burns (@PeterBurnsESPN) November 13, 2024

1. Texas A&M (7 - 1)

2. LSU (6 - 2)
Above Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas based on conference opponent win percentage (0.5313).

3. Alabama (6 - 2)
With Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.5).
Above Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas based on conference opponent win percentage (0.5).

4. Georgia (6 - 2)
With Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.4375).
With Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Texas, below Alabama based on conference opponent win percentage (0.4375).
With Tennessee and Texas, above Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-0).
Above Tennessee and Texas based on round-robin record due to a round-robin sweep (2-0).

5. Texas (6 - 2)
With Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Tennessee, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.375).
With Georgia, Ole Miss, and Tennessee, below Alabama based on conference opponent win percentage (0.375).
With Georgia and Tennessee, above Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-0).
With Tennessee, below Georgia based on round-robin record due to a round-robin sweep (0-1).
Above Tennessee based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (6-1).

6. Tennessee (6 - 2)
With Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Texas, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3594).
With Georgia, Ole Miss, and Texas, below Alabama based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3594).
With Georgia and Texas, above Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-0).
With Texas, below Georgia based on round-robin record due to a round-robin sweep (0-1).
Below Texas based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (5-2).

7. Ole Miss (6 - 2)
With Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3906).
With Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, below Alabama based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3906).
Below Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (2-1).

https://bball.notnothing.net/bracket.php?conf=secfb

NyAggie said:

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ahou614 said:

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If its us, then yes. If its TEX, the answer is a resounding NO.

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Well, to be fair Texas would only be a 1 loss team and then a 2 loss team after the title game

If either Texas or Tennessee get here with 1 loss and lose, they will stay in

If we get there with 2 losses. I think we'd be out if we lost

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So if it us; Yes
If it's tu; No

Got it

cevans_40 said:

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NyAggie said:

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ahou614 said:

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If its us, then yes. If its TEX, the answer is a resounding NO.

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Well, to be fair Texas would only be a 1 loss team and then a 2 loss team after the title game

If either Texas or Tennessee get here with 1 loss and lose, they will stay in

If we get there with 2 losses. I think we'd be out if we lost

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So if it us; Yes
If it's tu; No

Got it

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Yep

Due to us having an extra loss

texas at #3 shows me that they are getting in the playoff barring a 4 TD loss to us

bulverdeaggie93 said:

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a 3 loss sec team isn't making the playoffs

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3 losses (all to ranked teams) won't help us because we aren't tu/bama/georgia. Choking against ND and not game tackling against SC is going to kill us unless we win out.

Current #8 ND
Current #21 SC
Current #3 tu