The QB comparison is flawed. CW's bad game and average games are being compared to MR's stellar game.
Not sure I'm on the same page there. Are you saying a chance to play in garbage time would be demotivating? I would sure think if I'm QB2 and believe myself to be equal to or better than QB1, I'd be SUPER hungry for playing time. I'd see that garbage time as a chance to show out against lesser competition.Magneto said:Moe 92 said:
Reed did not look great in his time against McNeese, but he was lights out versus Florida and in the bowl game. Conner has looked very-good-to-great in most of his starts, but had a single bad game against Notre Dame. Call me crazy, but I'm gonna go ahead and trust the Elko and Collins to make the call rather than our resident geniuses here. I'm great with Reed starting if that's the call, but I also believe that if and when Conner earns the start again, they'll use Reed when warranted.
Starting a game the day of vs going in during garbage time are two different events in a young QB's head……..
Bryanisbest said:
Everybody on here was complaining how Conner throws to his first read or eats the football. Reed threw to his third option several times during that last game. Huge difference in the two.
Glad you know our route progression. Did Klein share it with you?Logos Stick said:Bryanisbest said:
Everybody on here was complaining how Conner throws to his first read or eats the football. Reed threw to his third option several times during that last game. Huge difference in the two.
Conner locks on his first option. He rarely if ever checks down. He throws off his back foot at least 50% of the time. And he's glass. He will get hurt again. I hate it for him, but he needs to concentrate on getting his degree. Every snap he takes is a valuable snap taken from Reed.
cevans_40 said:Glad you know our route progression. Did Klein share it with you?Logos Stick said:Bryanisbest said:
Everybody on here was complaining how Conner throws to his first read or eats the football. Reed threw to his third option several times during that last game. Huge difference in the two.
Conner locks on his first option. He rarely if ever checks down. He throws off his back foot at least 50% of the time. And he's glass. He will get hurt again. I hate it for him, but he needs to concentrate on getting his degree. Every snap he takes is a valuable snap taken from Reed.
You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
So you don't know if he is going through any progressions or not. Got itLogos Stick said:cevans_40 said:Glad you know our route progression. Did Klein share it with you?Logos Stick said:Bryanisbest said:
Everybody on here was complaining how Conner throws to his first read or eats the football. Reed threw to his third option several times during that last game. Huge difference in the two.
Conner locks on his first option. He rarely if ever checks down. He throws off his back foot at least 50% of the time. And he's glass. He will get hurt again. I hate it for him, but he needs to concentrate on getting his degree. Every snap he takes is a valuable snap taken from Reed.
No, but I doubt every receiver is running to the same spot along the same path. If so, Klein has to go.
Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
Sounds oddly familiar with what happened last weekend....
wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
Logos Stick said:wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
Bingo. How anyone doesn't remember Achane in that game is beyond me.
or the 315 yds rushing we had last weekend against a crappy FLA defense....
So Weigman goes 12/18 for 155 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's and its not comparable to to Reed going 11/17 for 178 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's?wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
cevans_40 said:So Weigman goes 12/18 for 155 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's and its not comparable to to Reed going 11/17 for 178 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's?wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
Thats simply not true. He's had 1 bad performanceAggie Dad 26 said:cevans_40 said:So Weigman goes 12/18 for 155 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's and its not comparable to to Reed going 11/17 for 178 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's?wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
Weigman has not been very good so far. He's had plenty of opportunities to prove his recruiting hype and has not lived up to it. That's OK. Just accept it and move forward
cevans_40 said:Thats simply not true. He's had 1 bad performanceAggie Dad 26 said:cevans_40 said:So Weigman goes 12/18 for 155 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's and its not comparable to to Reed going 11/17 for 178 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's?wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
Weigman has not been very good so far. He's had plenty of opportunities to prove his recruiting hype and has not lived up to it. That's OK. Just accept it and move forward
A loss is on the QB regardless of the play of the O-Line, defense, turnovers by your running backs, receiver drops, offensive scheme & play calling? Respectfully, this seems like kind of a lazy test to label a QB's play in a game as a sub-standard performance.Aggie Dad 26 said:cevans_40 said:Thats simply not true. He's had 1 bad performanceAggie Dad 26 said:cevans_40 said:So Weigman goes 12/18 for 155 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's and its not comparable to to Reed going 11/17 for 178 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's?wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
Weigman has not been very good so far. He's had plenty of opportunities to prove his recruiting hype and has not lived up to it. That's OK. Just accept it and move forward
How many losses as a starter? Those are sub standard performances in my opinion
cevans_40 said:Thats simply not true. He's had 1 bad performanceAggie Dad 26 said:cevans_40 said:So Weigman goes 12/18 for 155 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's and its not comparable to to Reed going 11/17 for 178 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's?wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
Weigman has not been very good so far. He's had plenty of opportunities to prove his recruiting hype and has not lived up to it. That's OK. Just accept it and move forward
Logos Stick said:cevans_40 said:Thats simply not true. He's had 1 bad performanceAggie Dad 26 said:cevans_40 said:So Weigman goes 12/18 for 155 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's and its not comparable to to Reed going 11/17 for 178 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's?wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
Weigman has not been very good so far. He's had plenty of opportunities to prove his recruiting hype and has not lived up to it. That's OK. Just accept it and move forward
No, he's had 1 absolutely terrible performance. The kind of performance that a kid who is a 5 star recruit and 3 years in should never have. Then coaches say his footwork was poor and needs work?!?! No, not this late into the game. His performance at Auburn before he got hurt and at Miami was not good.
Logos Stick said:cevans_40 said:Thats simply not true. He's had 1 bad performanceAggie Dad 26 said:cevans_40 said:So Weigman goes 12/18 for 155 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's and its not comparable to to Reed going 11/17 for 178 yards and 2 TDs and no INT's?wangus12 said:Because we basically took the ball out of Weigman's hands and handed it to Achane 38 times. Not saying he didn't have a good game, but we won that game because of Achanecevans_40 said:You just forget about his game vs LSU where his stat line was essentially the same as Reeds and that was against a significantly better team?taylorswift13_ said:
CW's good game was 691 days ago and against an awful Ole Miss defense in a game which we lost because Weigman struggled on 6 straight drives when we couldn't move the ball… and also because it's Reed's only game started lol
Weigman has not been very good so far. He's had plenty of opportunities to prove his recruiting hype and has not lived up to it. That's OK. Just accept it and move forward
No, he's had 1 absolutely terrible performance. The kind of performance that a kid who is a 5 star recruit and 3 years in should never have. Then coaches say his footwork was poor and needs work?!?! No, not this late into the game. His performance at Auburn before he got hurt and at Miami was not good.
greg.w.h said:
I think as long as we lose games that even a decent coach would find a way to win, blaming the QB is self-delusion.
Iraq2xVeteran said:
Conner Weigman has been just average against Power 4 teams. He is 5-4 as a starter but just 2-4 against Power 4 teams. If we exclude our home win over Auburn in which he left with a left ankle injury in the 2nd quarter, he is just 1-4 in games against Power 4 teams that he started and finished.
2022
31-28 home loss to Ole Miss: 28/44, 338 passing yards, 4 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
13-10 road loss at Auburn: 14/36, 121 passing yards, 1 touchdown, and 0 interceptions
38-23 home win over LSU: 12/18, 155 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
2023
48-33 road loss at Miami: 31/53, 336 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions
27-10 home win over Auburn: 8/14, 70 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions before injuring his left ankle in the 2nd quarter.
2024
23-13 home loss to Notre Dame: 12/30 100 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions.
Statistically, Conner Weigman had his best performance against Power 4 teams during his freshman year with 7 touchdowns against 0 interceptions in 3 SEC games. Since his sophomore year, he has thrown 2 touchdowns against 4 interceptions in 3 games against Power 4 opponents, and he had his collegiate career worst performance against Notre Dame. Yes, Notre Dame has one of the nation's best defenses, but 13 points is the fewest we have scored in a home game since a 26-10 loss to Auburn on 11/7/15.
In contrast, Marcel Reed completed 11 of 17 passes for 178 yards, 10.47 yards per attempt, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions in his first collegiate start. He attempted only 17 passes because we had 55 rushing attempts for 310 rushing yards, 5.63 yards per carry. Also, Reed had 13 carries for 83 rushing yards, 6.4 rushing yards per carry, and 1 touchdown. Yes, Florida has one of the nation's worst defenses, but this was Reed's first collegiate start came in an SEC road game. Reed accounted for 261 total yards and 3 touchdowns and had no turnovers. As result, we dominated Florida from start to finish to snap a 10-game road losing streak and get our first road win since a 35-14 rout at Missouri on 10/16/21, 1064 days or 152 weeks prior.
BraxtonW said:Iraq2xVeteran said:
Conner Weigman has been just average against Power 4 teams. He is 5-4 as a starter but just 2-4 against Power 4 teams. If we exclude our home win over Auburn in which he left with a left ankle injury in the 2nd quarter, he is just 1-4 in games against Power 4 teams that he started and finished.
2022
31-28 home loss to Ole Miss: 28/44, 338 passing yards, 4 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
13-10 road loss at Auburn: 14/36, 121 passing yards, 1 touchdown, and 0 interceptions
38-23 home win over LSU: 12/18, 155 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
2023
48-33 road loss at Miami: 31/53, 336 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions
27-10 home win over Auburn: 8/14, 70 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions before injuring his left ankle in the 2nd quarter.
2024
23-13 home loss to Notre Dame: 12/30 100 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions.
Statistically, Conner Weigman had his best performance against Power 4 teams during his freshman year with 7 touchdowns against 0 interceptions in 3 SEC games. Since his sophomore year, he has thrown 2 touchdowns against 4 interceptions in 3 games against Power 4 opponents, and he had his collegiate career worst performance against Notre Dame. Yes, Notre Dame has one of the nation's best defenses, but 13 points is the fewest we have scored in a home game since a 26-10 loss to Auburn on 11/7/15.
In contrast, Marcel Reed completed 11 of 17 passes for 178 yards, 10.47 yards per attempt, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions in his first collegiate start. He attempted only 17 passes because we had 55 rushing attempts for 310 rushing yards, 5.63 yards per carry. Also, Reed had 13 carries for 83 rushing yards, 6.4 rushing yards per carry, and 1 touchdown. Yes, Florida has one of the nation's worst defenses, but this was Reed's first collegiate start came in an SEC road game. Reed accounted for 261 total yards and 3 touchdowns and had no turnovers. As result, we dominated Florida from start to finish to snap a 10-game road losing streak and get our first road win since a 35-14 rout at Missouri on 10/16/21, 1064 days or 152 weeks prior.
Good work with the stats. I think we need more of a sample size to really see Marcell. He played against a very very bad Florida team. Should learn more this week and next week
Aggie Dad 26 said:BraxtonW said:Iraq2xVeteran said:
Conner Weigman has been just average against Power 4 teams. He is 5-4 as a starter but just 2-4 against Power 4 teams. If we exclude our home win over Auburn in which he left with a left ankle injury in the 2nd quarter, he is just 1-4 in games against Power 4 teams that he started and finished.
2022
31-28 home loss to Ole Miss: 28/44, 338 passing yards, 4 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
13-10 road loss at Auburn: 14/36, 121 passing yards, 1 touchdown, and 0 interceptions
38-23 home win over LSU: 12/18, 155 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
2023
48-33 road loss at Miami: 31/53, 336 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions
27-10 home win over Auburn: 8/14, 70 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions before injuring his left ankle in the 2nd quarter.
2024
23-13 home loss to Notre Dame: 12/30 100 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions.
Statistically, Conner Weigman had his best performance against Power 4 teams during his freshman year with 7 touchdowns against 0 interceptions in 3 SEC games. Since his sophomore year, he has thrown 2 touchdowns against 4 interceptions in 3 games against Power 4 opponents, and he had his collegiate career worst performance against Notre Dame. Yes, Notre Dame has one of the nation's best defenses, but 13 points is the fewest we have scored in a home game since a 26-10 loss to Auburn on 11/7/15.
In contrast, Marcel Reed completed 11 of 17 passes for 178 yards, 10.47 yards per attempt, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions in his first collegiate start. He attempted only 17 passes because we had 55 rushing attempts for 310 rushing yards, 5.63 yards per carry. Also, Reed had 13 carries for 83 rushing yards, 6.4 rushing yards per carry, and 1 touchdown. Yes, Florida has one of the nation's worst defenses, but this was Reed's first collegiate start came in an SEC road game. Reed accounted for 261 total yards and 3 touchdowns and had no turnovers. As result, we dominated Florida from start to finish to snap a 10-game road losing streak and get our first road win since a 35-14 rout at Missouri on 10/16/21, 1064 days or 152 weeks prior.
Good work with the stats. I think we need more of a sample size to really see Marcell. He played against a very very bad Florida team. Should learn more this week and next week
Thats currently up on the road by 2 touchdowns against Mississippi St
BraxtonW said:Aggie Dad 26 said:BraxtonW said:Iraq2xVeteran said:
Conner Weigman has been just average against Power 4 teams. He is 5-4 as a starter but just 2-4 against Power 4 teams. If we exclude our home win over Auburn in which he left with a left ankle injury in the 2nd quarter, he is just 1-4 in games against Power 4 teams that he started and finished.
2022
31-28 home loss to Ole Miss: 28/44, 338 passing yards, 4 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
13-10 road loss at Auburn: 14/36, 121 passing yards, 1 touchdown, and 0 interceptions
38-23 home win over LSU: 12/18, 155 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
2023
48-33 road loss at Miami: 31/53, 336 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions
27-10 home win over Auburn: 8/14, 70 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions before injuring his left ankle in the 2nd quarter.
2024
23-13 home loss to Notre Dame: 12/30 100 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions.
Statistically, Conner Weigman had his best performance against Power 4 teams during his freshman year with 7 touchdowns against 0 interceptions in 3 SEC games. Since his sophomore year, he has thrown 2 touchdowns against 4 interceptions in 3 games against Power 4 opponents, and he had his collegiate career worst performance against Notre Dame. Yes, Notre Dame has one of the nation's best defenses, but 13 points is the fewest we have scored in a home game since a 26-10 loss to Auburn on 11/7/15.
In contrast, Marcel Reed completed 11 of 17 passes for 178 yards, 10.47 yards per attempt, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions in his first collegiate start. He attempted only 17 passes because we had 55 rushing attempts for 310 rushing yards, 5.63 yards per carry. Also, Reed had 13 carries for 83 rushing yards, 6.4 rushing yards per carry, and 1 touchdown. Yes, Florida has one of the nation's worst defenses, but this was Reed's first collegiate start came in an SEC road game. Reed accounted for 261 total yards and 3 touchdowns and had no turnovers. As result, we dominated Florida from start to finish to snap a 10-game road losing streak and get our first road win since a 35-14 rout at Missouri on 10/16/21, 1064 days or 152 weeks prior.
Good work with the stats. I think we need more of a sample size to really see Marcell. He played against a very very bad Florida team. Should learn more this week and next week
Thats currently up on the road by 2 touchdowns against Mississippi St
Yes, Mississippi State. I would hope they were up on Mississippi state. They are a whole different level of bad