I have a feeling that NIL was the last straw with Saban. Now that he can't just pay under the table he will lose his recruiting advantage. He has had the most talented team recruiting wise for a decade. Now that TU and Georgia can compete with the payments Alabama has been providing for years he is running away. Good riddance.
NIL got Saban to retire
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I think he just didn't want to have to re-recruit his roster every year and deal with the portal/nil and the way you now have to manage a college roster.
it used to just be recruit the hs kids and then develop them.
now it's: recruit the hs kids, re-recruit them so they don't leave for the portal, play them before they are ready so they don't leave for the portal, negotiate better nil deals for them so they don't go to the portal, go get players from the portal and still develop your players but have less time to do it.
it's an all-consuming, complete headache now to manage a college football roster. you now need GM's portal managers etc....it's crazy
at 73 who the hell wants to do all that anymore.
it used to just be recruit the hs kids and then develop them.
now it's: recruit the hs kids, re-recruit them so they don't leave for the portal, play them before they are ready so they don't leave for the portal, negotiate better nil deals for them so they don't go to the portal, go get players from the portal and still develop your players but have less time to do it.
it's an all-consuming, complete headache now to manage a college football roster. you now need GM's portal managers etc....it's crazy
at 73 who the hell wants to do all that anymore.
Or he's 72 years old, he's rich as hell, his wife's health is failing, and he's accomplished about all you can accomplish as a college football coach.
He's 72 & no coach will ever come close to sniffing what he's accomplished....
Nothing about the current game state made him leave... He literally competed for a title this year
Some people just choose to retire
Nothing about the current game state made him leave... He literally competed for a title this year
Some people just choose to retire
sixer_of_shiner said:
I have a feeling that NIL was the last straw with Saban. Now that he can't just pay under the table he will lose his recruiting advantage. He has had the most talented team recruiting wise for a decade. Now that TU and Georgia can compete with the payments Alabama has been providing for years he is running away. Good riddance.
You don't think that maybe being 72 had something to do with it do you?
He is the GOAT. I figured he would want to win one more then retire but it's his call.
Old Army L-2 '83
I like how people on here think that only a few teams were paying players before NIL
Actual Talking Thermos said:
Or he's 72 years old, he's rich as hell, his wife's health is failing, and he's accomplished about all you can accomplish as a college football coach.
About all????
Ronnie '88
I don't think bama has had to pay players since Saban got there. I think 2002 was the last time they got caught. If you go to Bama and can earn a spot on the roster, you will get even better than you already are, and you're probably going to make significant money in the NFL. I believe that is how they recruited. They had a recruiting advantage because nobody else put as many people and as many first round draft picks into the NFL.sixer_of_shiner said:
Now that he can't just pay under the table he will lose his recruiting advantage. He has had the most talented team recruiting wise for a decade. Now that TU and Georgia can compete with the payments Alabama has been providing for years he is running away. Good riddance.
Sounds like we agree that NIL eliminates a lot of that advantage. We just disagree on whether or not they cheated to get where they are.
Texas did it.sixer_of_shiner said:
I have a feeling that NIL was the last straw with Saban. Now that he can't just pay under the table he will lose his recruiting advantage. He has had the most talented team recruiting wise for a decade. Now that TU and Georgia can compete with the payments Alabama has been providing for years he is running away. Good riddance.
His interview he said he could no longer commit to 2, 3 4 years to kids, the late and long nights were really impacting him more so now than in the past.
Sure the new dysfunctional and it is dysfunctional aspect of recruiting, the portal, and NIL played a part...
Sure the new dysfunctional and it is dysfunctional aspect of recruiting, the portal, and NIL played a part...
Plus his wife started making him go on vacation last offseason and he liked it.oneeyedag said:
His interview he said he could no longer commit to 2, 3 4 years to kids, the late and long nights were really impacting him more so now than in the past.
Sure the new dysfunctional and it is dysfunctional aspect of recruiting, the portal, and NIL played a part...
https://thespun.com/sec/alabama-crimson-tide/sports-world-reacts-to-the-nick-saban-vacation-news
I think it was age.
I can't imagine the grind of the season at 72. He's very intense.
I can't imagine the grind of the season at 72. He's very intense.
Rebbasser said:
He is the GOAT. I figured he would want to win one more then retire but it's his call.
He won the SEC, that is better than a Natty.
Actual Talking Thermos said:
Or he's 72 years old, he's rich as hell, his wife's health is failing, and he's accomplished about all you can accomplish as a college football coach.
about?
His name is synonymous with Brady, Jordan, Gretzy, and Ali!
agnerd said:I don't think bama has had to pay players since Saban got there. I think 2002 was the last time they got caught. If you go to Bama and can earn a spot on the roster, you will get even better than you already are, and you're probably going to make significant money in the NFL. I believe that is how they recruited. They had a recruiting advantage because nobody else put as many people and as many first round draft picks into the NFL.sixer_of_shiner said:
Now that he can't just pay under the table he will lose his recruiting advantage. He has had the most talented team recruiting wise for a decade. Now that TU and Georgia can compete with the payments Alabama has been providing for years he is running away. Good riddance.
Sounds like we agree that NIL eliminates a lot of that advantage. We just disagree on whether or not they cheated to get where they are.
So right out of the gate when Saban took over the Bama job after leaving the NFL Dolphins gig - you think he just straight up recruited the talent he acquired at the level he did?? Get real.
While Bama has a rich history for football success prior to Saban arriving, Bama was languishing after Stallings retired in '97. Hell, we actually hired away a coach (Fran) from Bama. - and after the Mike Price hiring debacle and the disaster of Mike Shula Bama was a dumpster fire. But Bama always had the Alabama sports and regular media in their back pocket (similar to Texas media and t.u.) so that any NCAA "irregularities" would be over looked unless it was overly overt. So Saban landed in perfect situation, with desperate alum donors, to get recruits to re-stock the talent.
As Saban began to accrue talent and started to bring Bama to the top of NCAA football the national media (ESPN) and the SEC front office turned a blind eye to avoid killing the "golden goose". As time went on, I'm sure Bama & Saban didn't have to keep giving out as heavy of bags of cash after things were rolling.
The introduction of NIL and the change in transfer rules shifted all the dynamics against Saban and Bama and evened the talent distribution away from Bama. Saban obviously called it quits after a long run at the top of college football after realizing things have changed too much against everything he depended on to perpetuate his success.
KUDOS to Saban - he won and never got caught.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son." -- Dean Wormer, Faber College President
That you have zero evidence might be why he wasn't caught???CuervoAg said:agnerd said:I don't think bama has had to pay players since Saban got there. I think 2002 was the last time they got caught. If you go to Bama and can earn a spot on the roster, you will get even better than you already are, and you're probably going to make significant money in the NFL. I believe that is how they recruited. They had a recruiting advantage because nobody else put as many people and as many first round draft picks into the NFL.sixer_of_shiner said:
Now that he can't just pay under the table he will lose his recruiting advantage. He has had the most talented team recruiting wise for a decade. Now that TU and Georgia can compete with the payments Alabama has been providing for years he is running away. Good riddance.
Sounds like we agree that NIL eliminates a lot of that advantage. We just disagree on whether or not they cheated to get where they are.
So right out of the gate when Saban took over the Bama job after leaving the NFL Dolphins gig - you think he just straight up recruited the talent he acquired at the level he did?? Get real.
While Bama has a rich history for football success prior to Saban arriving, Bama was languishing after Stallings retired in '97. Hell, we actually hired away a coach (Fran) from Bama. - and after the Mike Price hiring debacle and the disaster of Mike Shula Bama was a dumpster fire. But Bama always had the Alabama sports and regular media in their back pocket (similar to Texas media and t.u.) so that any NCAA "irregularities" would be over looked unless it was overly overt. So Saban landed in perfect situation, with desperate alum donors, to get recruits to re-stock the talent.
As Saban began to accrue talent and started to bring Bama to the top of NCAA football the national media (ESPN) and the SEC front office turned a blind eye to avoid killing the "golden goose". As time went on, I'm sure Bama & Saban didn't have to keep giving out as heavy of bags of cash after things were rolling.
The introduction of NIL and the change in transfer rules shifted all the dynamics against Saban and Bama and evened the talent distribution away from Bama. Saban obviously called it quits after a long run at the top of college football after realizing things have changed too much against everything he depended on to perpetuate his success.
KUDOS to Saban - he won and never got caught.
Agree that NIL and free agency convinced him to walk away from the chaos. Both situations are going to get more dysfunctional in the near term.
rootube said:sixer_of_shiner said:
I have a feeling that NIL was the last straw with Saban. Now that he can't just pay under the table he will lose his recruiting advantage. He has had the most talented team recruiting wise for a decade. Now that TU and Georgia can compete with the payments Alabama has been providing for years he is running away. Good riddance.
You don't think that maybe being 72 had something to do with it do you?
Reason one is he is just ready, the TP and NIL complexity may have sped it up for him for sure.
"Now that TU and Georgia can compete ....."
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Uh.....excuse me. Spelling error. It is "t.u." Not "TU"
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Uh.....excuse me. Spelling error. It is "t.u." Not "TU"
sixer_of_shiner said:
I have a feeling that NIL was the last straw with Saban. Now that he can't just pay under the table he will lose his recruiting advantage. He has had the most talented team recruiting wise for a decade. Now that TU and Georgia can compete with the payments Alabama has been providing for years he is running away. Good riddance.
That's about the dumbest take I've ever seen on this place and that takes some doing.
it is interesting how Saban was able to recruit elite WR's like Julio Jones and Amari Cooper...
when he was a run-the-ball, control-the-clock, conservative, play-good-defense coach
most coaches like that have difficulty in recruiting the top WR's because of their style of play
but he did not have that problem in his early years at Bama
when he was a run-the-ball, control-the-clock, conservative, play-good-defense coach
most coaches like that have difficulty in recruiting the top WR's because of their style of play
but he did not have that problem in his early years at Bama
one got his ass kicked at the highest level and other three dominated. no, saban isn't in the same league.aggiepaintrain said:Actual Talking Thermos said:
Or he's 72 years old, he's rich as hell, his wife's health is failing, and he's accomplished about all you can accomplish as a college football coach.
about?
His name is synonymous with Brady, Jordan, Gretzy, and Ali!
NIL does somewhat neuter a coach that can utilize the bench as a motivator, kids will say the hell with that guy and transfer. Coach Sabans of the world will get out.
I'd say it was more the portal and having to continually recruit the players regardless of stature lest they abscond more-so than the players being paid out of the shadows.Quote:
NIL got Saban to retire
The coaches don't begrudge third parties compensating the talent, they begrudge the talent being able to take their services elsewhere without losing a year of their life. I'm sure it's disheartening to have to woo the kids again each year after successfully initially courting them.
Saban's still the GOAT.
I don't think he cares about money or NIL. He's out recruited the sport for 15 years. He has no reason to expect that to change. But if his wife's health has slipped, that absolutely would do it. They've been married for over 50 years. He asked her out in 7th grade for crying out loud. Saban is very good at cutting out distractions. Maybe football is now a distraction from his priority.
Unlimited free transfer portals kills a team like bama. They thrived on locking up 5 stars, grooming them for two years to wait their turn, and he always had 5 star juniors and seniors. Now, why wait on the bench when you can play right away somewhere (and get paid)
As others have stated, the man is 72 years old and has amassed a college football, scratch that, a football resume that will be unmatched for years possibly lifetimes to come.
I don't see the need to say XYZ was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. Even losing in the opening round of the CFP this year I'd almost want to punch anyone that says he didn't finish on top. Nick Saban has spent the back end of his career perched atop the tallest plateau ever. For many coaches winning a CFP or even making the CFP was their Everest moment. I'd say there was no Everest peak for Saban. Winning conference divisions, playing in and winning conference championships, playing in and winning national championships before and during the CFP era were just such the norm for him and his program. Playing against coaches whose career he rehabilitated or launched was the norm for him. Seeing coaches emerge from his tutelage and go on to find success on their own was the norm for him. Seeing players that he coached and mentored go on to find success at higher levels (on and certainly off the field as well) was the norm.
What more was the man to accomplish?
What bucket item wasn't checked? And checked again and again and again?
To say "he didn't want to compete with NIL" is just ridiculous. The man, the GOAT, is 72, he decided it was time.
I don't see the need to say XYZ was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. Even losing in the opening round of the CFP this year I'd almost want to punch anyone that says he didn't finish on top. Nick Saban has spent the back end of his career perched atop the tallest plateau ever. For many coaches winning a CFP or even making the CFP was their Everest moment. I'd say there was no Everest peak for Saban. Winning conference divisions, playing in and winning conference championships, playing in and winning national championships before and during the CFP era were just such the norm for him and his program. Playing against coaches whose career he rehabilitated or launched was the norm for him. Seeing coaches emerge from his tutelage and go on to find success on their own was the norm for him. Seeing players that he coached and mentored go on to find success at higher levels (on and certainly off the field as well) was the norm.
What more was the man to accomplish?
What bucket item wasn't checked? And checked again and again and again?
To say "he didn't want to compete with NIL" is just ridiculous. The man, the GOAT, is 72, he decided it was time.
I'm 73 and Saban and I are retiring together. His nest egg is much larger than mine.
wisdom said:
"Now that TU and Georgia can compete ....."
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Uh.....excuse me. Spelling error. It is "t.u." Not "TU"
IDK. We might let Tulsa in.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
Yours is net a pinch between the cheek and gums by comparison???SA-AG72 said:
I'm 73 and Saban and I are retiring together. His nest egg is much larger than mine.
We are so proud of ourselves for our in joke that confuses everyone else…94chem said:wisdom said:
"Now that TU and Georgia can compete ....."
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Uh.....excuse me. Spelling error. It is "t.u." Not "TU"
IDK. We might let Tulsa in.
Alabama literally had a car dealership (owned partially by Nick Saban) program for recruits prior to NIL.
Anyone saying Saban recruited honestly is just unwilling to accept facts. All his cronies learned his tactics as well, hence why all Sabanites are in the top of recruiting ranks year in and out. They would have outed him years ago, except it would have also pointed the fingers back at them too.
NIL has "evened" the playing field, but it's also destroying college football.
https://247sports.com/college/usc/Board/29/Contents/Alabamas-Recruiting-Dominance-Continues-Wow-50860219/
Anyone saying Saban recruited honestly is just unwilling to accept facts. All his cronies learned his tactics as well, hence why all Sabanites are in the top of recruiting ranks year in and out. They would have outed him years ago, except it would have also pointed the fingers back at them too.
NIL has "evened" the playing field, but it's also destroying college football.
https://247sports.com/college/usc/Board/29/Contents/Alabamas-Recruiting-Dominance-Continues-Wow-50860219/
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NIL has "evened" the playing field, but it's also destroying college football.
This is laughable.
Why do people get so mad about others making money?
It really is amazing. Grown men pulling their hair out because young kids making money.
The transfer portal anger I get. That creates uncertainty and no connection year to year. But the anger over NIL is just bizarre.
The transfer portal will get cleaned up. You will see federal legislation allowing it in the next 2 years.
But NIL is not going anywhere. And college football will still thrive
The transfer portal anger I get. That creates uncertainty and no connection year to year. But the anger over NIL is just bizarre.
The transfer portal will get cleaned up. You will see federal legislation allowing it in the next 2 years.
But NIL is not going anywhere. And college football will still thrive
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