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Glenn Schumann Should be at the Top of your List

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BadAggie
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Only issue here is the timeline. He will be coaching until Jan. 10th or whenever most likely so you gotta navigate the portal and ESD.

Otherwise give him a deal with a decent guarantee and the incentives to be Jimbo Rich if he wins here.

TnAg23
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BadAggie said:

Only issue here is the timeline. He will be coaching until Jan. 10th or whenever most likely so you gotta navigate the portal and ESD.

Otherwise give him a deal with a decent guarantee and the incentives to be Jimbo Rich if he wins here.


He has a co-DC ag UGA(He is the DC, Muschamp is the Co-DC). Both he and Kirby had to do the same thing when they left Bama. If he is announced now and is allowed to do both, which Kirby would allow, he would make it work.
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TAMUallen said:

Coryhub said:

Lanning wasn't head coach until 2 yrs ago and it's working out. Kirby wasn't a HC and it's working out


I'm aware of how things go. However, one of our stated objectives was to find a "proven winner".


He is
BadAggie
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TnAg23 said:

BadAggie said:

Only issue here is the timeline. He will be coaching until Jan. 10th or whenever most likely so you gotta navigate the portal and ESD.

Otherwise give him a deal with a decent guarantee and the incentives to be Jimbo Rich if he wins here.


He has a co-DC ag UGA(He is the DC, Muschamp is the Co-DC). Both he and Kirby had to do the same thing when they left Bama. If he is announced now and is allowed to do both, which Kirby would allow, he would make it work.


Sounds good. Let's get it done
EllisCoAg
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after reading his bio, i would go get this guy now and not look back
I wanna see our defense pissed off, not confused, maybe a little murder in their hearts Reload12, 11/4/11
barnag
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Do we know if he's actually in consideration?
TMF
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Great post OP. I hope you are right.
BadAggie
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barnag said:

Do we know if he's actually in consideration?


If he's not we need to stage an intervention with the athletic dept
BadAggie
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We need someone young and hungry to lead this program.

He also has plenty of postseason experience.

TXAG 05
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TAMUallen said:

It's a possibility but he's never been head coach


Every head coach was a first time head coach at one point. Have to start somewhere.
EKG1996
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Does it matter that he didn't pay college football and hasn't truly been a stand alone coordinator yet?

fightintxaggie10
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TnAg23 said:

He has 6 championship rings and he's 33.
He was one of 3 people in the prime Alabama defensive meetings, alongside Saban and Kirby.
He was the first person Kirby hired when he got to Georgia
He is an Incredible Xs and Os Defensive Coach, Turned down the Eagle's DC Job
He is a better recruiter than anyone on our previous staff. He is personally credited with 12 5*s on 247.
He makes less than $2MM a year, with no buyout
He is Kirby's right hand man at Georgia, see quote below

"He's the son of a football coach. He's extremely bright. He's extremely passionate. I rely heavily on Glenn for input on practice schedules, defensive design, and thinking outside the box. There's not a time when I think of who can I ask my staff that understands what we want and what we need when Schu [Schumann] is that guy. He's very talented."
-Kirby Smart

Sure, he is a risk. But he is a risk with Championship potential. Traynor and Elko haven't done anything to show they have Championship potential.



Maybe he would be good, but to say he has 6 championship rings is a little ridiculous. The waterboys and equipment guys get rings.

How many Saban assistants have failed as HCs? More than have gone on to win at a high level consistently. Do we not remember Alabamas DC who went to Tennessee and sucked? Jeremy Pruitt. He has 5 national championship rings as a DC. 5. Just because you're a coordinator on winning program staff, doesn't translate directly to great HC.
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TXAG 05 said:

TAMUallen said:

It's a possibility but he's never been head coach


Every head coach was a first time head coach at one point. Have to start somewhere.


Oh really? I hadn't heard this. Now it all makes sense.

Gosh yall are head over heels with him. He has been with good programs but cmon let's not just fall in love. He has the experience needed to be great but he has created and maintained nothing, let's not get so carried away
BadAggie
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Coaching hires have risks.

We went with low risk high price, so we thought, with Jimbo.

Young coach with that experience looking to make his mark is worth the gamble.


fightintxaggie10
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You need to change your handle to BadTakesAggie because you have no idea what characteristics make a good head coach. When you start talking about conferences they play in, if they're 33 vs 50, you're way off. If our leadership is looking for a guy based on things like that we're screwed because the University has morons in power
BadAggie
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fightintxaggie10 said:

You need to change your handle to BadTakesAggie because you have no idea what characteristics make a good head coach. When you start talking about conferences they play in, if they're 33 vs 50, you're way off. If our leadership is looking for a guy based on things like that we're screwed because the University has morons in power


I'm way off because I have a differing view than you? That's truly a worse take
hldr
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Agreed on Schumann.

With our geography, surrounded by tu, ou, tiger, pigs etc, recruitment must be amongst the top priorities. Yes, Jimbo was a great recruiter but I'm not sure that Elko can step in and close like that. I feel Schumann has the pedigree, youth , and energy to be a huge success.

Fill out the staff with a few locals, retain Robinson maybe as dc, top flight oc. And start cranking the collective. If it doesn't work out rinse and repeat in. 3 years.

His resume is impressive and everyone talks glowingly about him.

We need to take a chance on a high upside hire. While I loved what elko did here - I'm not sure he is the best hc fit especially on the trail.

Fatboy Thaddeus
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I wouldn't complain if we got Schumann. I'd put him on par with Elko, whom I'd also be happy with.
TnAg23
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fightintxaggie10 said:

TnAg23 said:

He has 6 championship rings and he's 33.
He was one of 3 people in the prime Alabama defensive meetings, alongside Saban and Kirby.
He was the first person Kirby hired when he got to Georgia
He is an Incredible Xs and Os Defensive Coach, Turned down the Eagle's DC Job
He is a better recruiter than anyone on our previous staff. He is personally credited with 12 5*s on 247.
He makes less than $2MM a year, with no buyout
He is Kirby's right hand man at Georgia, see quote below

"He's the son of a football coach. He's extremely bright. He's extremely passionate. I rely heavily on Glenn for input on practice schedules, defensive design, and thinking outside the box. There's not a time when I think of who can I ask my staff that understands what we want and what we need when Schu [Schumann] is that guy. He's very talented."
-Kirby Smart

Sure, he is a risk. But he is a risk with Championship potential. Traynor and Elko haven't done anything to show they have Championship potential.



Maybe he would be good, but to say he has 6 championship rings is a little ridiculous. The waterboys and equipment guys get rings.

How many Saban assistants have failed as HCs? More than have gone on to win at a high level consistently. Do we not remember Alabamas DC who went to Tennessee and sucked? Jeremy Pruit. Just because you're a coordinator on winning program staff, doesn't translate directly to great HC.
Yes, not every Saban Smart assistant has worked out, but take a look at the current top 10, and let me know how many Saban/Smart guys make the cut.

Also, not all assistants are created equal. Everyone was excited about Kirby because they looked at the bigger picture.

Tennesse got denied by 10+ coaches and fired an AD before they landed on Pruitt. It was one of the most embarrassing coaching searches in the past 20 years.

He is a risk, but a risk with the potential to be one of the top guys in the sport. His upside is huge. I'm sorry, but Elko hasn't shown that potential, and we're being told that Lanning, DeBoer, Campbell, Kiffin, and Norvell aren't happening.
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So, he didn't play and has not been a stand alone coordinator? I prefer Elijah Robinson. He is either the top recruiter in the country or in that discussion. We owe a lot of our top class to ERob. That talent should be near the top of qualifications.

To add, why are people in love with other team's assistants, but adverse to a great one already here?
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
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fightintxaggie10 said:

TnAg23 said:

He has 6 championship rings and he's 33.
He was one of 3 people in the prime Alabama defensive meetings, alongside Saban and Kirby.
He was the first person Kirby hired when he got to Georgia
He is an Incredible Xs and Os Defensive Coach, Turned down the Eagle's DC Job
He is a better recruiter than anyone on our previous staff. He is personally credited with 12 5*s on 247.
He makes less than $2MM a year, with no buyout
He is Kirby's right hand man at Georgia, see quote below

"He's the son of a football coach. He's extremely bright. He's extremely passionate. I rely heavily on Glenn for input on practice schedules, defensive design, and thinking outside the box. There's not a time when I think of who can I ask my staff that understands what we want and what we need when Schu [Schumann] is that guy. He's very talented."
-Kirby Smart

Sure, he is a risk. But he is a risk with Championship potential. Traynor and Elko haven't done anything to show they have Championship potential.



Maybe he would be good, but to say he has 6 championship rings is a little ridiculous. The waterboys and equipment guys get rings.

How many Saban assistants have failed as HCs? More than have gone on to win at a high level consistently. Do we not remember Alabamas DC who went to Tennessee and sucked? Jeremy Pruitt. He has 5 national championship rings as a DC. 5. Just because you're a coordinator on winning program staff, doesn't translate directly to great HC.

I don't view it as riskier. I think you have to look at the state of the programs and their conference when they got there. When bob Stoops got to Oklahoma he had Blake's talent. Kirby had talent at Georgia but took him a bit to get the championship. You look at someone like mark stoops and he didn't have much to work with. He may also have hit the ceiling at his school. Each situation is unique. I'd say we are actually better off than alot of those schools were when those assistants went there.
TnAg23
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MagnumLoad said:

So, he didn't play and has not been a stand alone coordinator? I prefer Elijah Robinson. He is either the top recruiter in the country or in that discussion. We owe a lot of our top class to ERob. That talent should be near the top of qualifications.

To add, why are people in love with other team's assistants, but adverse to a great one already here?
Because Georgia is better than us, and learning under Kirby and Saban >>>>> Learning Under Jimbo.

Also, Schumann is the DC and has a Co-DC below him. Before that, he was one of two co-DCs. Same setup as DJ Durkin and ERob.

I hope ERob ends up being his DC.
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TnAg23 said:

He has 6 championship rings and he's 33.
He was one of 3 people in the prime Alabama defensive meetings, alongside Saban and Kirby.
He was the first person Kirby hired when he got to Georgia
He is an Incredible Xs and Os Defensive Coach, Turned down the Eagle's DC Job
He is a better recruiter than anyone on our previous staff. He is personally credited with 12 5*s on 247.
He makes less than $2MM a year, with no buyout
He is Kirby's right hand man at Georgia, see quote below

"He's the son of a football coach. He's extremely bright. He's extremely passionate. I rely heavily on Glenn for input on practice schedules, defensive design, and thinking outside the box. There's not a time when I think of who can I ask my staff that understands what we want and what we need when Schu [Schumann] is that guy. He's very talented."
-Kirby Smart

Sure, he is a risk. But he is a risk with Championship potential. Traynor and Elko haven't done anything to show they have Championship potential.



He's a beast !
AgBQ1994
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Georgia Total Defensive Rankings (During His Tenure as Co-DC) - Pts/Game:

2019: 2nd
2020: 16th
2021: 1st
2022: 2nd
2023: 6th


GO GET HIM NOW!!!!!!!

If you do a TexAgs search for my #1 COACHING CHOICE (aggies9496) in 2011 it was......KIRBY SMART!!!!

I was ridiculed by all the "know-it-all" TexAgs tough guys on here, but......I WAS RIGHT!

Yes...I know...GOOD FOR YOU.......

Point being, Aggie Football roots are DEFENSE and this would bring back the WRECKING CREW with all of the defensive talent currently on campus!


fightintxaggie10
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I forgot about UT getting told no by several people but now I remember that whole thing.

My question is, other than following the Dan Lanning 2.0 logic, which never works, why is Glenn Schumann expected to be able to run an entire program from hiring and managing assistants and position coaches, to managing NIL, and all that? I'm just curious why Dan Lanning was given the job at Oregon, when both he and Schumann were in the same position, Co-DC, at Georgia?
Divining Rod
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Okay, I guess it's agreed. Should I call him?

(706) 542-9036.
It Aint Easy Being Brown
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I'm in

Let's roll
MagnumLoad
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TnAg23 said:

MagnumLoad said:

So, he didn't play and has not been a stand alone coordinator? I prefer Elijah Robinson. He is either the top recruiter in the country or in that discussion. We owe a lot of our top class to ERob. That talent should be near the top of qualifications.

To add, why are people in love with other team's assistants, but adverse to a great one already here?
Because Georgia is better than us, and learning under Kirby and Saban >>>>> Learning Under Jimbo.

Also, Schumann is the DC and has a Co-DC below him. Before that, he was one of two co-DCs. Same setup as DJ Durkin and ERob.

I hope ERob ends up being his DC.


If we lose Robinson, you can kiss goodbye to some of our talent, especially DL. So, yes, if it's not ERob, the next HC should make him DC. I would have done that instead of Durkin
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
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fightintxaggie10 said:

I forgot about UT getting told no by several people but now I remember that whole thing.

My question is, other than following the Dan Lanning 2.0 logic, which never works, why is Glenn Schumann expected to be able to run an entire program from hiring and managing assistants and position coaches, to managing NIL, and all that? I'm just curious why Dan Lanning was given the job at Oregon, when both he and Schumann were in the same position, Co-DC, at Georgia?
Lanning is about 5 years older and was calling plays at the time. That's probably why he got picked.

He hasn't been given his chance yet because of his age. One thing to keep in mind is that he started assisting on Saban's staff when he was in undergrad, as opposed to playing until he was 22 and then getting a GA job.

I listed the reasons I think he'll be successful in my OP, but once again, he has trained for the last 15 years(way longer than most) under the 2 best coaches in modern college football. They think extremely highly of him, and trust him with a ton of responsibility, in spite of his young age. Kirby says he relies on Schumann for a lot of important "HC" tasks, like recruiting and practice scheduling. He is one of the best statistical recruiters in the history of Football, already being credited with 12 5*s and countless 4*s.

I'd encourage you to listen to an interview where Kirby talks about Schumann. He raves about him more than Kirby or Saban have ever raved about an assistant. His players do the same. From a resume perspective, his is better than most first-time head coaches.

I don't think he's Lanning 2.0. I think there's a 1/3 chance he's Kirby 2.0. He has a lower floor than other guys we are talking about, but a way higher ceiling.
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Well said - all quality value points. I didn't realize he was $2MM and no buyout...

I think you need to bring him in and give him a real chance to interview.
MagnumLoad
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How could he have trained for 15 years, didn't play college ball, and is only 33?
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
TnAg23
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He started on the Bama staff as a FRESHAN. Basically spent his undergrad years as a GA, then hit the ground running. This dude is the most impressive 33-year-old you will see.
18+15=33
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TnAg23 said:

He started on the Bama staff as a FRESHAN. Basically spent his undergrad years as a GA, then hit the ground running. This dude is the most impressive 33-year-old you will see.
18+15=33


Yes.
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TAMUallen said:

Coryhub said:

Lanning wasn't head coach until 2 yrs ago and it's working out. Kirby wasn't a HC and it's working out


I'm aware of how things go. However, one of our stated objectives was to find a "proven winner".
and now the program owes a fired coach $77M, with no recovery if he gets another job somewher else.

3 of the last 4 were "proven winners". How has that worked out?
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OP makes me want to run through a brick wall. Lets go get him
 
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