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rootube said:

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woodyhayes said:

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After watching ark & lsu, ark plus the points seems like easy money.

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Arky got beat at home by BYU who just lost to Kansas. How does that factor in?

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Cant go wrong with the transitive property in college football.

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True, but he was quoting someone else using one of their games as the end all be all. Why does that matter, but you can't point out BYU?

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We will win by a field goal in overtime just like we always do.

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We are much more likely to win by a touchdown in overtime than a FG, thus covering the 6.5. If history is any indication.

We have covered 6.5 in 8/11 games against Arkansas since joining the sec. 8/10 victories have been 7+. Only one by 4, and one by 2. We have never won by a field goal.

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a/k/a the most unconscionable decision of all time.

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that statement proves the brilliance of the decision.

Our program is in a different world relative to when that contract was signed ~2008. This series was key to unraveling the tu-0u hype vortex that had reached an intolerable pitch. (anyone remember Ubbs the Angry Midget?) It gave the SEC an entree into the rich north Texas talent pool at a near-zero cost to us, and gave us a big-name game at a time when the powers that be had made it very, very hard to catch an Ag game on TV. And arguably this series was the start of the avalanche of a season that we enjoyed in 2012.

The fact that you (as an Aggie football fan) are in a world where this decision _would_ look so bad is a great thing, and I hope you will one day appreciate it.

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Let's take your points one by one
1. Yes, our program is in much better shape now than in 2008.
2. This series has done nothing to reduce the hype of tu/ou, and never will.
3. Arkansas kicked our butts the first 3 years, when we were still in the Big12.
4. A&M joining the SEC gave everyone not named LSU or Bama greater ingress to recruiting all of Texas. A&M surely benefits in recruiting, but I'd argue Arkansas benefits more by having a game in DFW.
5. TV has changed dramatically, almost every game is televised or online. We could have had a 15 year contract with Arkansas Pine Bluff and it would have been available somehow.
6. The SMU game was Johnny's coming out party, Arky was a disaster that year, plus the game was home and home in '12 and '13.

So to sum it up, Jerry World sucks.

rootube said:

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woodyhayes said:

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After watching ark & lsu, ark plus the points seems like easy money.

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Arky got beat at home by BYU who just lost to Kansas. How does that factor in?

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Kansas is 4-0 and deservedly ranked in the top 25.

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Logos Stick said:

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I watched the LSU game last night.

Jefferson had the best pocket presence and awareness during that game of any QB I've seen in a while. We have a very hard time getting pressure as it is. He had several good runs too. Gonna be hard to beat this guy.

Their oline is pretty darn good too.

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Assuming last night was the only arkansas game you've watched this season? Wife is a hog so we watch them all and their o-line is flat out atrocious this year.

They play up for LSU every year, I think they used it all up and will be back to being flat against us like they were against BYU.

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Yes, this is the only time I've seen them but they looked pretty good to me. Everytime they got into the scrum where they needed short yardage, they moved LSU at will. KJs protection was decent and like I said, it was surreal how calm and poised he was under pressure.

Our games with them have been tough. We beat them by a doink and scoop and score last year. Gonna be a difficult game imo.

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People see "LSU" on their jerseys and just assume they have a good defense. Statistically, it's one of the worst in the sec so far. They were shredded by FSU. Boston College and Clemson did far better. FSU has come back down to earth a bit and could easily have 2 losses.

That should be factored in, as well. I know, I know. Transitive property. Blah blah blah. Just saying, people are assuming because they did it against LSU, that's a big positive.

I'm not saying it won't be a hard game, but we opened up at 6.5 for a reason, and some even have it moving over 7. Most early models have us by double digits. Since this game is played tough, I'll lower expectations and say we win by single digits. But I do have us around 70% to win, and would say winning by 7 is the most likely outcome.

rootube said:

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woodyhayes said:

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After watching ark & lsu, ark plus the points seems like easy money.

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Arky got beat at home by BYU who just lost to Kansas. How does that factor in?

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Kansas is actually pretty good now and TBH would probably clean our clocks.

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rootube said:

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woodyhayes said:

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After watching ark & lsu, ark plus the points seems like easy money.

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Arky got beat at home by BYU who just lost to Kansas. How does that factor in?

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Kansas is actually pretty good now and TBH would probably clean our clocks.

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TBH, that's just dumb.

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rootube said:

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woodyhayes said:

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After watching ark & lsu, ark plus the points seems like easy money.

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Arky got beat at home by BYU who just lost to Kansas. How does that factor in?

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Kansas is actually pretty good now and TBH would probably clean our clocks.

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There are zero models/services out there that wouldn't have us as the favorites on a neutral field. Most by double digits.

But you go on and keep on keeping it real!

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After watching ark & lsu, ark plus the points seems like easy money.

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Arky got beat at home by BYU who just lost to Kansas. How does that factor in?

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Kansas is actually pretty good now and TBH would probably clean our clocks.

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When did RC on a mobile become a Doctor?

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5. TV has changed dramatically, almost every game is televised or online. We could have had a 15 year contract with Arkansas Pine Bluff and it would have been available somehow.

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It so strange to me that people have memory holed the fact that it was uncommon to get all your games on tv until very recently. This false idea that the Big 12 tv deal was awful completely ignores that by the time we joined the SEC every Big 12 game was on tv as well.

rootube said:

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After watching ark & lsu, ark plus the points seems like easy money.

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Arky got beat at home by BYU who just lost to Kansas. How does that factor in?

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At home.

FIFY.

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For what it's worth, Sagarin has us as the 12th best team as of this morning, which is 3rd in the SEC behind #1 Alabama and #3 Georgia. Alabama at #1 makes it very suspect. I'm assuming it is still factoring in some of last season since it is still early. Arkansas is rated below Auburn.

ESPN FPI has us as the 16th best team, behind #3 Alabama, #5 Georgia, #13 Ole Miss, and #14 LSU. Arkansas is #34, just behind Auburn and South Carolina.

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SP+ has us at #12 and Arky at #36 with a 10.8 point advantage on a neutral field.

FEI has us at #22 and Arky at #44.

Arkansas' secondary is gettable. Their plan will likely be similar to most others we've seen which is pressure the QB and make the OL stand up.

In my opinion, one of the worst things we can do is come out with a simplified vanilla plan because Max is taking the snaps. If don't push the ball down the field a bit and challenge their DBs then we'll find ourselves stagnant on offense. Max is plenty capable... let him throw it.

On defense it's the same story it always has been with KJ. Keep him contained, collapse the pocket, play disciplined in the run game, make tackles. He won't beat us if he has to throw it all over the field.

Max Johnson was 11/21 for 150 yards vs Arkansas last year. He and our offensive-playcaller were not good, altho also weren't good the game before that. Our playcaller sucked for 3 of 4 quarters vs Auburn last week, but Max was good for his 2 quarters. So we'll see.

This thread is funny. Arkansas is either a bottom feeder in the B12 or a real threat to do big things in the SEC based on their solid play at LSU.

Our offense was so bad vs Auburn for most the game that it should be concerning. Can only hope Jimbo isn't influencing playcalling like it appears.

Petrino's revenge game. Let's do this.

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Our offense was so bad vs Auburn for most the game that it should be concerning. Can only hope Jimbo isn't influencing playcalling like it appears.

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Hate to break it to you but he is absolutely influencing play calling because he is an offensive head coach. He and Petrino put together the call sheet over the course of the week, and Petrino calls from that based on what he and Jimbo want to do in a certain situation. They are probably in constant communication during the game.

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Our offense was so bad vs Auburn for most the game that it should be concerning. Can only hope Jimbo isn't influencing playcalling like it appears.

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The offense was not "so bad vs Auburn for most the game". It was bad in the 2nd quarter. Solid in the 1st but didn't capitalize when it got in the red zone. Very good in the 3rd and 4th.

I know you will argue that they don't play anyone, but Auburn is a very, very good defense. I would love it if our fans would remember that you aren't going to light up most good SEC defenses for 4 quarters. To get 27 points and 400 yards against a good sec defense is a solid performance that simply doesn't happen if you are "so bad" for most of the game.

That's a betting line. Odds to win the game I'd say are 50/50 at best, and may favor Pig based on their last game performance IMHO.

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I saw LSU/Ark game and came away impressed.

It won't be an easy game.

I am hope Arky wont have good game twice in row...If they clean up and not get flagged as often, they could be dangerous team.

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That last part about flags also applies to our offense.

The Auburn game would've been an absolute route had the Oline not killed so many drives with dumb penalties.

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But who do you trust to fix the problem more? Adazzio or whatever random oline coach Arky has?

Our one advantage is their coach calling dumb plays at the end if the game is close.

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Aggie1188 said:

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Our offense was so bad vs Auburn for most the game that it should be concerning. Can only hope Jimbo isn't influencing playcalling like it appears.

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The offense was not "so bad vs Auburn for most the game". It was bad in the 2nd quarter. Solid in the 1st but didn't capitalize when it got in the red zone. Very good in the 3rd and 4th.

I know you will argue that they don't play anyone, but Auburn is a very, very good defense. I would love it if our fans would remember that you aren't going to light up most good SEC defenses for 4 quarters. To get 27 points and 400 yards against a good sec defense is a solid performance that simply doesn't happen if you are "so bad" for most of the game.

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This 100%. Auburn's defense is solid.

The Auburn offense is another story. Next week we get to find out if our defense is improving or if it was just Auburn being bad.

I think we will be solid spying Jefferson with our LB's. This is something they have done well all year. The proof for us is if we can generate pressure like we did with Auburn.

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Emilio Fantastico said:

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I saw LSU/Ark game and came away impressed.

It won't be an easy game.

I am hope Arky wont have good game twice in row...If they clean up and not get flagged as often, they could be dangerous team.

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That last part about flags also applies to our offense.

The Auburn game would've been an absolute route had the Oline not killed so many drives with dumb penalties.

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But who do you trust to fix the problem more? Adazzio or whatever random oline coach Arky has?

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Maybe it's not on the coaches. At some point the players have to be accountable. Coaching only goes so far. A guy can only have his guys rep things and say "don't jump" so many times. Center has to snap it when it's supposed to be snapped as well, which was the issue once or twice.

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wangus12 said:

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Emilio Fantastico said:

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OKC~Ag said:

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I saw LSU/Ark game and came away impressed.

It won't be an easy game.

I am hope Arky wont have good game twice in row...If they clean up and not get flagged as often, they could be dangerous team.

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That last part about flags also applies to our offense.

The Auburn game would've been an absolute route had the Oline not killed so many drives with dumb penalties.

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But who do you trust to fix the problem more? Adazzio or whatever random oline coach Arky has?

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Maybe it's not on the coaches. At some point the players have to be accountable. Coaching only goes so far. A guy can only have his guys rep things and say "don't jump" so many times. Center has to snap it when it's supposed to be snapped as well, which was the issue once or twice.

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This is 100% false. Look at the drop off in production for Will Rogers with a new HC/OC. You aren't telling me that a senior statistical leader in the SEC just forgot how to play football. You have to have players but coaching matters.

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This thread is funny. Arkansas is either a bottom feeder in the B12 or a real threat to do big things in the SEC based on their solid play at LSU.

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Not too far off, last year's team lost to Liberty but was beating Ole Miss 42-6 at one point.

The inconsistency is always fun.

In watching the Arkansas/LSU game it became clear that both defensive lines wore down in the second half and neither team could stop the other. I think LSU won because they were the team with the ball with 5 minutes left. After the performance our defense delivered in brutal temperatures for four quarters, I think we have the depth to stand up to Arkansas.

Oink doink would beg to differ

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Petrino's revenge game. Let's do this.

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If BP is worth his pay, if he can mess with Arky's head...

Hog/pigs have a strong hate /love relationship with BP that they haven't yet gotten over.

BP is the only coach that gave Arkansas any relevance during his tenure which came crashing down on an arkansas back road...They haven't yet found a successful coach. (Sound like A&M, our lack of successful coaching hire…but we have an inherent structural advantage of being A&M… We can hire morans and be partly successful...)

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Max Johnson was 11/21 for 150 yards vs Arkansas last year. He and our offensive-playcaller were not good, altho also weren't good the game before that. Our playcaller sucked for 3 of 4 quarters vs Auburn last week, but Max was good for his 2 quarters. So we'll see.

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Max had no protection least year.

rootube said:

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woodyhayes said:

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After watching ark & lsu, ark plus the points seems like easy money.

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Arky got beat at home by BYU who just lost to Kansas. How does that factor in?

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Kansas seems like they don't necessarily suck this year

rootube said:

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Emilio Fantastico said:

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OKC~Ag said:

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I saw LSU/Ark game and came away impressed.

It won't be an easy game.

I am hope Arky wont have good game twice in row...If they clean up and not get flagged as often, they could be dangerous team.

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That last part about flags also applies to our offense.

The Auburn game would've been an absolute route had the Oline not killed so many drives with dumb penalties.

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But who do you trust to fix the problem more? Adazzio or whatever random oline coach Arky has?

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Maybe it's not on the coaches. At some point the players have to be accountable. Coaching only goes so far. A guy can only have his guys rep things and say "don't jump" so many times. Center has to snap it when it's supposed to be snapped as well, which was the issue once or twice.

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This is 100% false. Look at the drop off in production for Will Rogers with a new HC/OC. You aren't telling me that a senior statistical leader in the SEC just forgot how to play football. You have to have players but coaching matters.

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Yea. If Leach was still there Max R would be blowing the doors off as he did to us last year. Dumb decision not to hire an Air Raid OC.

woodyhayes said:

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I totally agree with this assessment.

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rootube said:

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wangus12 said:

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Emilio Fantastico said:

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OKC~Ag said:

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I saw LSU/Ark game and came away impressed.

It won't be an easy game.

I am hope Arky wont have good game twice in row...If they clean up and not get flagged as often, they could be dangerous team.

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That last part about flags also applies to our offense.

The Auburn game would've been an absolute route had the Oline not killed so many drives with dumb penalties.

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But who do you trust to fix the problem more? Adazzio or whatever random oline coach Arky has?

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Maybe it's not on the coaches. At some point the players have to be accountable. Coaching only goes so far. A guy can only have his guys rep things and say "don't jump" so many times. Center has to snap it when it's supposed to be snapped as well, which was the issue once or twice.

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This is 100% false. Look at the drop off in production for Will Rogers with a new HC/OC. You aren't telling me that a senior statistical leader in the SEC just forgot how to play football. You have to have players but coaching matters.

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Yea. If Leach was still there Max R would be blowing the doors off as he did to us last year. Dumb decision not to hire an Air Raid OC.

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+1

The Georgia/Auburn line at 14.5 seems too easy to me.

Either Georgia is really bad, like the starts of their games, or it's easy money