The "A&M to big 10" talk is dumbest I've seen in 2 decades on this board.

I am so thankful we are in the SEC. We are where we belong.

Recap PAC 12 dissolving yesterday

Big 12 (now with 16)
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado

Big 10 (now with16?)
Washington
Oregon
USC
UCLA

Left out like a fart in the wind
Wazzou
Cal
Stanford
Oregon State

So I was just thinking who cares what Cal and Stanford do! They'll probably end up as the 19th and 20th members of the B1G.

If I was a WASU or OR State fan, I would push to join the Mountain West. Neither of them have had any sustained success in football. I think the Air Force Academy has a bigger stadium capacity than WASU. They're both in small west coast towns. They've had some success with other sports, namely OR State in baseball. I wouldn't be too proud as one of their fans, join the MW and probably start winning quickly.

If the B1G takes 4 pac teams pretty sure they are 18 members
PSU was 11 Nebraska was 12 Rutgers & MD were 13&14

I don't know enough about the North Cali football demographics to know for sure, but it seems to me there is a "hole" in the B10's west coast takeover in North Cali that would be solved by taking Stanford and/or Cal. My OCD is a little irritated by it. You can argue the relative value of those schools or that market area, but if you had those schools it would lock down the entire west coast as B10 football territory.

Just an Ag said:

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I don't know enough about the North Cali football demographics to know for sure, but it seems to me there is a "hole" in the B10's west coast takeover in North Cali that would be solved by taking Stanford and/or Cal. My OCD is a little irritated by it. You can argue the relative value of those schools or that market area, but if you had those schools it would lock down the entire west coast as B10 football territory.

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The money just isn't there to add two more. In fact, the money wasn't really there to add Oregon and Washington, so they had to accept about half of what the rest of the league will be making until the new tv deal expires at the end of the 2029-30 season. I'm curious where they came up with even that much -- did the tv partners kick in a little more (doesn't really sound like it), or are the existing members going to sacrifice a little bit to make it happen (seems more likely, although I can't see why it makes sense).

Cal has horrible tv ratings, even in the Bay Area and comes nowhere near to filling its stadium to even 50%. Stanford isn't much better, that area and those schools do not care about college football.

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Just an Ag said:

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I don't know enough about the North Cali football demographics to know for sure, but it seems to me there is a "hole" in the B10's west coast takeover in North Cali that would be solved by taking Stanford and/or Cal. My OCD is a little irritated by it. You can argue the relative value of those schools or that market area, but if you had those schools it would lock down the entire west coast as B10 football territory.

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The money just isn't there to add two more. In fact, the money wasn't really there to add Oregon and Washington, so they had to accept about half of what the rest of the league will be making until the new tv deal expires at the end of the 2029-30 season. I'm curious where they came up with even that much -- did the tv partners kick in a little more (doesn't really sound like it), or are the existing members going to sacrifice a little bit to make it happen (seems more likely, although I can't see why it makes sense).

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They accepted half because they don't bring eyeballs / subscribers and will keep USC / UCLA happy - they're also just happy to not be left out

The deal will be renegotiated for more money per team if FSU / Clemson do end up in the B1G

Culture fits are out the window, it's purely $$ going forward (which is why I've advocated if FSU / Clemson do in fact go to the B1G. It would be in our best interest to jump as well (remember there isn't a buyout to leave the SEC currently, there will be the moment a team / teams do leave and go for more money - and I'd rather be leaving first than play catch up in 5 years)

The west coast as region has limited interest in college sports. That was their demise.

As mentioned, BIG will own TV (for many yrs) and SEC only marrying to ESPN will be the largest issue to overcome. Having FOX, NBC and CBS exclusively will matter as they will pay BIG to have content across "free" TV avenues along with their various internet/pay/streaming channel options.

This is where SEC lost the chess match regardless.

90ags said:

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As mentioned, BIG will own TV (for many yrs) and SEC only marrying to ESPN will be the largest issue to overcome. Having FOX, NBC and CBS exclusively will matter as they will pay BIG to have content across "free" TV avenues along with their various internet/pay/streaming channel options.

This is where SEC lost the chess match regardless.

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This is what many of us were saying when CBS was told to go ***** off.

Maybe somehow the SEC can get the NFL network on board to feature a prime time game. Some folks say there might be some sort of NCAA rule prohibiting that but at this point does it matter? NIL, stipends, etc..... were unheard of a decade ago. Only problem I would see it the NFL wouldn't want to give up Thursday night, Sunday night, or Monday night and I don't know if there would be much appetite for Tuesday, Wednesday, or Friday night football.

BMX Bandit said:

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The "A&M to big 10" talk is dumbest I've seen in 2 decades on this board.

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Loving the boldness of this statement.

West Point Aggie said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The "A&M to big 10" talk is dumbest I've seen in 2 decades on this board.

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Loving the boldness of this statement.

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You have a point

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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The west coast as region has limited interest in college sports. That was their demise.

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I don't think this is true. They had valuable teams and they had teams that were just hanging on. Every league has this makeup including the SEC and the B10.

I love it that people are saying the SEC lost the "chess match". I'd say we had a philosophy that makes sense and we stuck to our guns. We said all along that we were only interested in considering teams who shared a regional geography and we weren't in any hurry to expand. This means the only teams we would consider are currently in the ACC and there are probably only 2-3 that would make sense. We are going to see who is better at chess when the ACC drama finally ends.

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I love it that people are saying the SEC lost the "chess match". I'd say we had a philosophy that makes sense and we stuck to our guns. We said all along that we were only interested in considering teams who shared a regional geography and we weren't in any hurry to expand. This means the only teams we would consider are currently in the ACC and there are probably only 2-3 that would make sense. We are going to see who is better at chess when the ACC drama finally ends.

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You could argue the PAC 12 - 8 stuck to its guns…now it just 4 schools hilariously flapping in the wind.

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They accepted half because they don't bring eyeballs / subscribers and will keep USC / UCLA happy - they're also just happy to not be left out

The deal will be renegotiated for more money per team if FSU / Clemson do end up in the B1G

Culture fits are out the window, it's purely $$ going forward (which is why I've advocated if FSU / Clemson do in fact go to the B1G. It would be in our best interest to jump as well (remember there isn't a buyout to leave the SEC currently, there will be the moment a team / teams do leave and go for more money - and I'd rather be leaving first than play catch up in 5 years)

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If the SEC couldn't renegotiate it's deal with ESPN to increase the money for 9 games after adding OU and t.u., then the odds of three networks coming together to add money for the Big Ten to add FSU and Clemson are pretty much zero. But, that's academic because those teams aren't going anywhere unless the ACC implodes, and there's no realistic prospect of that happening any time soon.

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They accepted half because they don't bring eyeballs / subscribers and will keep USC / UCLA happy - they're also just happy to not be left out

The deal will be renegotiated for more money per team if FSU / Clemson do end up in the B1G

Culture fits are out the window, it's purely $$ going forward (which is why I've advocated if FSU / Clemson do in fact go to the B1G. It would be in our best interest to jump as well (remember there isn't a buyout to leave the SEC currently, there will be the moment a team / teams do leave and go for more money - and I'd rather be leaving first than play catch up in 5 years)

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If the SEC couldn't renegotiate it's deal with ESPN to increase the money for 9 games after adding OU and t.u., then the odds of three networks coming together to add money for the Big Ten to add FSU and Clemson are pretty much zero. But, that's academic because those teams aren't going anywhere unless the ACC implodes, and there's no realistic prospect of that happening any time soon.

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The difference is ESPN / Disney don't have the cash and are cutting / have cut overhead expenditures. The other networks are not / do have the cash

The B10 May consider Stanford and Cal. for access to Silicon Valley with an eye toward streaming in the future.

the big 10 does not need either school to access silicon valley and streaming.

Texmexag said:

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The B10 May consider Stanford and Cal. for access to Silicon Valley with an eye toward streaming in the future.

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The definition of talking out your ass.

45-70Ag said:

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Cal has horrible tv ratings, even in the Bay Area and comes nowhere near to filling its stadium to even 50%. Stanford isn't much better, that area and those schools do not care about college football.

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Tech soy boys and their hispanic servants don't really care about the sport.

Carlo4 said:

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Recap PAC 12 dissolving yesterday

Big 12 (now with 16)
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado

Big 10 (now with16?)
Washington
Oregon
USC
UCLA

Left out like a fart in the wind
Wazzou
Cal
Stanford
Oregon State

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This is the future of all programs regardless of what conference they are in today. You will have to be a large program to be grouped with other large programs in the next TV deal. There are a few teams in the B1G and SEC that are vulnerable.

Straight from the mouth of someone on the Florida State Board of Regents today.

" The GOR will not hold us back from leaving. Period.

The document itself specifically allows for schools to leave and join another conference. ESPN and FSU are fully capable of dealing with what happens after we leave."

Toptierag2018 said:

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Straight from the mouth of someone on the Florida State Board of Regents today.

" The GOR will not hold us back from leaving. Period.

The document itself specifically allows for schools to leave and join another conference. ESPN and FSU are fully capable of dealing with what happens after we leave."

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Umm…does repeating yourself make it true? Because what they can't handle is the Grant of Rights allowing the ACC to retain their revenue through 2036. Which is what it does allow.

greg.w.h said:

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Toptierag2018 said:

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Straight from the mouth of someone on the Florida State Board of Regents today.

" The GOR will not hold us back from leaving. Period.

The document itself specifically allows for schools to leave and join another conference. ESPN and FSU are fully capable of dealing with what happens after we leave."

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Umm…does repeating yourself make it true? Because what they can't handle is the Grant of Rights allowing the ACC to retain their revenue through 2036. Which is what it does allow.

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Just wait until FSU plays their hand…

They can't do it alone and, to me, it doesn't look like there are enough seats available to get others to come with them.

West Point Aggie said:

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rootube said:

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I love it that people are saying the SEC lost the "chess match". I'd say we had a philosophy that makes sense and we stuck to our guns. We said all along that we were only interested in considering teams who shared a regional geography and we weren't in any hurry to expand. This means the only teams we would consider are currently in the ACC and there are probably only 2-3 that would make sense. We are going to see who is better at chess when the ACC drama finally ends.

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You could argue the PAC 12 - 8 stuck to its guns…now it just 4 schools hilariously flapping in the wind.

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The truth is the PAC swung for the fence and struck out. They were one longhorn network away from raiding the B12 for the best parts which would have put them on par with the SEC and B10.

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45-70Ag said:

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Cal has horrible tv ratings, even in the Bay Area and comes nowhere near to filling its stadium to even 50%. Stanford isn't much better, that area and those schools do not care about college football.

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Tech soy boys and their hispanic servants don't really care about the sport.

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Well tech idiots aside, the Bay Area is actually a strong football region. Just NFL only, namely the 49ers. The entire state of California is like that. It's a pro team state when they do watch sports. Hell, there's more soccer viewership than college sports, and that's sadly not an exaggeration.

I don't think anyone realizes that there are even games on Saturdays.

Useless region (bay area) when it comes to adding to a conference. Why would you add teams where their own "fans" (students and alumni) don't even watch the games?

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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The west coast as region has limited interest in college sports. That was their demise.

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I don't think this is true. They had valuable teams and they had teams that were just hanging on. Every league has this makeup including the SEC and the B10.

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Yes it is true. West coast leftists don't like football. Not feminine enough and trans people can't play it. Let 'em stew in their own juice.

rootube said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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The west coast as region has limited interest in college sports. That was their demise.

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I don't think this is true. They had valuable teams and they had teams that were just hanging on. Every league has this makeup including the SEC and the B10.

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Washington and Oregon, and to a lessor extend ucla and usc, yes. Everyone else, nope. (Utah could be argued though, I honestly don't know on that one). Any reason why those were poached first?

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twk said:

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They accepted half because they don't bring eyeballs / subscribers and will keep USC / UCLA happy - they're also just happy to not be left out

The deal will be renegotiated for more money per team if FSU / Clemson do end up in the B1G

Culture fits are out the window, it's purely $$ going forward (which is why I've advocated if FSU / Clemson do in fact go to the B1G. It would be in our best interest to jump as well (remember there isn't a buyout to leave the SEC currently, there will be the moment a team / teams do leave and go for more money - and I'd rather be leaving first than play catch up in 5 years)

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If the SEC couldn't renegotiate it's deal with ESPN to increase the money for 9 games after adding OU and t.u., then the odds of three networks coming together to add money for the Big Ten to add FSU and Clemson are pretty much zero. But, that's academic because those teams aren't going anywhere unless the ACC implodes, and there's no realistic prospect of that happening any time soon.

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The difference is ESPN / Disney don't have the cash and are cutting / have cut overhead expenditures. The other networks are not / do have the cash

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I wonder if someone with lots of money, like Apple, would buy in as a controlling partner. They've already shown they want in on the sports game. So why not provide a viable option for a floundering, but widely used and massive, network of channels to buy their way to potential dominance? Would be an interesting development. And would force more than a few new subscribers to their platform. Can any of you seriously say you wouldn't add an Apple sports subscription, in this case? It would be quite a bold move, and if anyone could make it work, it's Apple.

Toptierag2018 said:

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greg.w.h said:

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Toptierag2018 said:

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Straight from the mouth of someone on the Florida State Board of Regents today.

" The GOR will not hold us back from leaving. Period.

The document itself specifically allows for schools to leave and join another conference. ESPN and FSU are fully capable of dealing with what happens after we leave."

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Umm…does repeating yourself make it true? Because what they can't handle is the Grant of Rights allowing the ACC to retain their revenue through 2036. Which is what it does allow.

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Just wait until FSU plays their hand…

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Well, you have until next Wednesday for your prediction to fail.