If I can't expect to hear country music at their tailgate, I don't want them in the SEC

Yes!

If college football is going to two mega-conferences, the SEC should absolutely expand to the west coast and pick up key markets along the way.

SEC would also be wise to make a run at Notre Dame. "Cultural fits" are much less significant in the new order.

The Big Ten is in the process of outmaneuvering the SEC for the first time ever. Birmingham needs to be smart in its next moves.

I think we're fine the way we are.

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Diluting the product of SEC by adding more…unless it's Clemson and Miami. It has gone from on field product that generated more revenue to now just revenue.

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"It has gone?" Name the on-field product that got us into the league at the time?

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Adding A&M allowed SEC teams to significantly add to their revenues. If adding more schools would do this, then fine. However, if it does not add to the per school payout then it's a hard pass.

Let them add and add and add. The SEC can still be the elite team conference and let the others become the PACWACB1GACC and nobody cares.

BuenAg said:

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Yes!

If college football is going to two mega-conferences, the SEC should absolutely expand to the west coast and pick up key markets along the way.

SEC would also be wise to make a run at Notre Dame. "Cultural fits" are much less significant in the new order.

The Big Ten is in the process of outmaneuvering the SEC for the first time ever. Birmingham needs to be smart in its next moves.

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I am just going to use the old Mom adage: Just because the B1G wants to jump off a cliff, does that mean the SEC should do the same?

What makes you so sure they're jumping off a cliff?

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What makes you so sure they're jumping off a cliff?

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Have you seen how their scheduling is going to work? Which time slots, how many games have to be dropped to a streaming service only each week because lack of alternative channels?

The SEC already was screwed out of one game per season because of this new deal with ESPN.

How will the conference champion be chosen? Will it matter for playoffs? With auto bids, it would.

We watched, and actually predicted that the Big XII was screwing itself when they set up the conference to provide the easiest path to the national championship game that was based on the BCS model. That didn't work out so well.

Then the SEC stayed at 8 conference games while the PAC and B1G went to 9 conference games and cannibalized their own teams. In the era of the CFP, that also didn't work out so well either. It's called math.

So setting up a conference to compete/dominate an unknown future scheme for national football titles is putting the cart before the horse, in my view.

All this thread needs is Cyndi Lauper singing in the background, "money changes everything!"

Do you think that the Big Ten is finished expanding?

BuenAg said:

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Yes!

If college football is going to two mega-conferences, the SEC should absolutely expand to the west coast and pick up key markets along the way.

SEC would also be wise to make a run at Notre Dame. "Cultural fits" are much less significant in the new order.

The Big Ten is in the process of outmaneuvering the SEC for the first time ever. Birmingham needs to be smart in its next moves.

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Agree. Although I'd say "cultural fits" means exactly zip. Liberal California dollars spend as well as Alabama conservative dollars when you're giving a coach a raise, building a new stadium or hiring another "special coordinator".

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Do you think that the Big Ten is finished expanding?

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Not if Notre Dame is reconsidering their deal with the ACC and are open to discussions, no.

But much like the additions of Rutgers and Maryland were done for TV markets (which is no longer the force it once was) adding anyone else from the PAC would be foolish right now and doing it for the wrong reasons.

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BuenAg said:

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Yes!

If college football is going to two mega-conferences, the SEC should absolutely expand to the west coast and pick up key markets along the way.

SEC would also be wise to make a run at Notre Dame. "Cultural fits" are much less significant in the new order.

The Big Ten is in the process of outmaneuvering the SEC for the first time ever. Birmingham needs to be smart in its next moves.

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Agree. Although I'd say "cultural fits" means exactly zip. Liberal California dollars spend as well as Alabama conservative dollars when you're giving a coach a raise, building a new stadium or hiring another "special coordinator".

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But the California schools weren't getting enough of those liberal California dollars. If they had been, none of this would be happening. Adding schools for the sake of adding schools might be fine if you're the Big12 or ACC trying to stay alive. We are in the premier league. We get the money per school. We don't add more unless they add value to the current SEC members.

Where the vision is flawed in all of this is lumping sports together. It will end them. Football should be national in league formation. All other sports, led by basketball, should be built regionally. The tournament is already set up this way. Aggies play Alabama, Florida in football but Baylor, Houston in ball. Great way to build really fun rivalries

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BuenAg said:

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Yes!

If college football is going to two mega-conferences, the SEC should absolutely expand to the west coast and pick up key markets along the way.

SEC would also be wise to make a run at Notre Dame. "Cultural fits" are much less significant in the new order.

The Big Ten is in the process of outmaneuvering the SEC for the first time ever. Birmingham needs to be smart in its next moves.

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Agree. Although I'd say "cultural fits" means exactly zip. Liberal California dollars spend as well as Alabama conservative dollars when you're giving a coach a raise, building a new stadium or hiring another "special coordinator".

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But the California schools weren't getting enough of those liberal California dollars. If they had been, none of this would be happening. Adding schools for the sake of adding schools might be fine if you're the Big12 or ACC trying to stay alive. We are in the premier league. We get the money per school. We don't add more unless they add value to the current SEC members.

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But the SEC is getting none of those dollars. 10% of 1 is better than 0% of 0.

The SEC shares TV revenues evenly, so if it does not increase the per school revenue, then why would we do it? $1400/14 > $1500/20.

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But the California schools weren't getting enough of those liberal California dollars. If they had been, none of this would be happening. Adding schools for the sake of adding schools might be fine if you're the Big12 or ACC trying to stay alive. We are in the premier league. We get the money per school. We don't add more unless they add value to the current SEC members.

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What do "liberal California dollars" have to do with absolutely anything?

There are 3 revenue sources for any major school. 1)Your television deal. That's your easiest money, if you can deliver the things that make them pay you the money. 2)Your stadium packages. You will sell a 7game home package that doesn't include Sam Houston, App State, and UMass, way more quickly, and for more more money, if it includes better teams. 3)Your donors, who are flowing more if they are more entertained.

That has nothing to do with not "getting enough of those liberal California dollars". But instead is why it's all happening.

Nobody is adding anybody today if the math don't work. Everybody is adding everybody, because the math works, at least for the next 10-15 years.

The only football school in the top 20 of athletic revenues that isn't in the b1g or SEC is fl state. Clemson is close but they're currently behind Arkansas ( not to mention us, bama, uga, lsu, sc, Florida, kentucky, tu and ou). We have a lot of current SEC teams surrounding fl state, I don't know if they bring enough to be worth adding. Clemson is great from a national brand and strong following perspective but their revenues are a bit light. Some others we might consider would be Virginia, UNC, Miami, and Louisville. All are good schools but none are slam dunks to increase our revenues.

Ou and tu were a no brainer, despite all the whining we see here. USC and UCLA are probably a good pickup for the b1g, but id bet their total viewership for any given game isn't as high in the LA market as an average game for Texas A&M, ou, or tu is in the Dallas market. I think the b1g wanted to move to 16, ND said no, so they took the best colleges left.

Don't be shocked if both the SEC and b1g are done expanding until some ACC schools become available, and even then only a few will make the cut.

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Florida State is way more valuable than Miami.

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it's not a hard concept to understand but it seems few are intelligent enough to understand.

the ONLY thing that matters is TV viewership. you think Apple streaming cares whether FSU has a better football team in 9 years than Miami?!

the answer is no.

the reason the Big Ten added putrid RUTGERS was not because of their football team, but because they are located near New York City.

the reason the Big Ten added putrid MARYLAND was not because of their football team, but because they are located near Washington DC.

are you claming that Tallahassee is more valuable to TV rights than the entire region of millions of people in South Florida surrounding the city of Miami?!?!

were you alive from 1982-2002 when Miami won FIVE national championships and played for 3 other titles?

Miami fan and media executives needs to look at the stadium on a Saturday to understand the difference between possible eyeballs in a market and engaged eyeballs. The DC and NYC markets aren't watching any more football with the addition of Rutgers and uMD. Those stadiums are empty. College football is a culture not just population densities.

Does the SEC want to leave the backdoor open and let the BIG10 into its market area? The BIG10 is willing to add west coast teams in an not worry about travel. Clemson, FSU, Miami, and the Carolina's heading to the BIG10 are a threat to the SEC market share.

Scorched earth, 2 mega conferences left standing

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Miami fan and media executives needs to look at the stadium on a Saturday to understand the difference between possible eyeballs in a market and engaged eyeballs. The DC and NYC markets aren't watching any more football with the addition of Rutgers and uMD. Those stadiums are empty. College football is a culture not just population densities.

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Yep

Literally no one in ny is watching Rutgers football. No one cares

The average Nye'et us watching Penn st, Michigan, notre dame, Miami, fsu, other big10 football that's relevant (not Rutgers) and any other big games that are on or "name" teams

NY us a predominantly a pro sports market and college. Basketball matket

There is no local college football worth watching up here

The SEC is a small restaurant where it is impossible to get a table. It is good for business to stay that way.

The B1G is Cracker Barrel.
The Big 12 is Olive Garden.
Notre Dame is a private chef.

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Does the SEC want to leave the backdoor open and let the BIG10 into its market area? The BIG10 is willing to add west coast teams in an not worry about travel. Clemson, FSU, Miami, and the Carolina's heading to the BIG10 are a threat to the SEC market share.

Scorched earth, 2 mega conferences left standing

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Are you saying that if the SEC doesn't continue adding teams it will fail? If the B1G added 10 more teams and the Big12 or ACC followed and got up to 24-26 as well and the SEC stuck with 14-16 why do you think the SEC would be harmed? The SEC teams bring eyeballs and that equates to dollars, regardless of what the other conferences do.

"Markets" only ever mattered when ESPN could choke Direct/Dish to fork over another $1+ per subscriber, x all the millions, from every person that lived in that footprint, whether they watched it or not.

They used to be able to do that. That doesn't work anymore. It didn't work when they tried it with the LHN, which was the cable people's first balk. Then it got exponentially worse.

Markets don't matter anymore, at all, in 2022. Eyeballs on games do.