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Oregon and Washington are not staying. They'll be accepted by the Big 10 too. Big 12 is easily in the driver's seat here.Showstopper said:
You guys are crazy, Pac is still in a better position than new Big 12. Pac still has Oregon and Washington, which have higher ceilings than, I don't know, Okie State and Baylor? And as far as media markets, Pac still has Seattle, Portland, SF/Bay Area, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, and Denver. Big 12 has, what, Tulsa, Lubbock, and Waco?
Big 12 is still bottom of the barrel even if the other conferences are working hard to get closer to them.
Why? They treated us like s*** in 2010-2011. (Well, tech not so much but ultimately they did what their overlords in Austin told them to.)rootube said:
I guess I'm in the minority but I'd like to see as many Texas schools to do well as possible.
Yep, tceh was the most understanding but they fell in line and boycotted us after we left along with the others. The hilarity is that when texas leaves they assured tceh that they would still play them. The sips had a gimp harem in the BDF, OU was just the bottom b*tch.aggiehawg said:Why? They treated us like s*** in 2010-2011. (Well, tech not so much but ultimately they did what their overlords in Austin told them to.)rootube said:
I guess I'm in the minority but I'd like to see as many Texas schools to do well as possible.
Remember when Baylor was threatening to sue, claiming Waco's entire economy would dry up and get blown away without A&M football games every two years?
And Dodds spouting all of his vitriol about "the sliver" etc.?
If they lose more, perhaps, but that would still just pull them closer to big 12 depths. They would be on par with team quality but still ahead in media markets. Big 12 has nothing good other than footage of former members.HossAg said:Oregon and Washington are not staying. They'll be accepted by the Big 10 too. Big 12 is easily in the driver's seat here.Showstopper said:
You guys are crazy, Pac is still in a better position than new Big 12. Pac still has Oregon and Washington, which have higher ceilings than, I don't know, Okie State and Baylor? And as far as media markets, Pac still has Seattle, Portland, SF/Bay Area, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, and Denver. Big 12 has, what, Tulsa, Lubbock, and Waco?
Big 12 is still bottom of the barrel even if the other conferences are working hard to get closer to them.
Even Kansas boycotted Missouri because Deloss told them to.hunter2012 said:Yep, tceh was the most understanding but they fell in line and boycotted us after we left along with the others. The hilarity is not that texas leaves they assured tceh that they would still play them. The sips had a gimp harem in the BDF, OU was just the bottom b*tch.aggiehawg said:Why? They treated us like s*** in 2010-2011. (Well, tech not so much but ultimately they did what their overlords in Austin told them to.)rootube said:
I guess I'm in the minority but I'd like to see as many Texas schools to do well as possible.
Remember when Baylor was threatening to sue, claiming Waco's entire economy would dry up and get blown away without A&M football games every two years?
And Dodds spouting all of his vitriol about "the sliver" etc.?
aggiehawg said:Why? They treated us like s*** in 2010-2011. (Well, tech not so much but ultimately they did what their overlords in Austin told them to.)rootube said:
I guess I'm in the minority but I'd like to see as many Texas schools to do well as possible.
Remember when Baylor was threatening to sue, claiming Waco's entire economy would dry up and get blown away without A&M football games every two years?
And Dodds spouting all of his vitriol about "the sliver" etc.?
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At a more basic level if there is room for Vandy in big time college Football there is surely room for Tech, Baylor and TCU.
Notre Dame is still contractually obligated to join the ACC in football if they ever join a conference. Getting into tortious interference issues not only with the ACC but between ESPN and Fox.Showstopper said:
BTW, when Big Ten left the door open for more expansion, I don't think they were thinking of Oregon and Washington. If they wanted those teams, they could have gotten them with two phone calls yesterday. I think they are thinking ACC teams/Notre Dame.
aggiehawg said:That decision is way above your paygrade.Quote:
At a more basic level if there is room for Vandy in big time college Football there is surely room for Tech, Baylor and TCU.
Tech, Baylor and TCU have to pull their own weight.
yeah and the Big 12 had a Ninety-Nine year agreement with Texas and OU. Really prevented a lot didn't it? ND still has their football rights which is all that really matters.aggiehawg said:Notre Dame is still contractually obligated to join the ACC in football if they ever join a conference. Getting into tortious interference issues not only with the ACC but between ESPN and Fox.Showstopper said:
BTW, when Big Ten left the door open for more expansion, I don't think they were thinking of Oregon and Washington. If they wanted those teams, they could have gotten them with two phone calls yesterday. I think they are thinking ACC teams/Notre Dame.
Oh really?rootube said:aggiehawg said:That decision is way above your paygrade.Quote:
At a more basic level if there is room for Vandy in big time college Football there is surely room for Tech, Baylor and TCU.
Tech, Baylor and TCU have to pull their own weight.
Yea like Vandy is pulling its own weight in the SEC. Baylor and Tech have invested far more in their athletics programs than Vandy, and have far superior results. In some cases matching or exceeding our own despite being on a much smaller budget than us.
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University to invest $100 million, with an additional $100 million in donor commitments already secured; funds will support major facilities, operational enhancements
Vanderbilt University today publicly launched the Vandy United Fund, an ambitious fundraising vehicle that will invest $300 million in Vanderbilt's student-athletes and athletics programs through major facilities and operational enhancements.
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Since the initial quiet phase of the campaign began in the fall, Vanderbilt has already identified $200 million toward the $300 million goal, with a $100 million commitment from the university, $90 million from anonymous donors and a $10 million lead gift from John R. Ingram, a Board of Trust member and longtime supporter of Vanderbilt Athletics. Now Vanderbilt is reaching out to the broader university community to help support the future of Vanderbilt athletics.
merch said:
Greed destroys.
And I think the natives would agree with the original statementAzariah said:merch said:
Greed destroys.
*gestures vaguely around at America*
This all used to be open land.
For all the good it did them, begging for scraps like Oliver Twist and still get left behind. I guess texas got tired of ruling over the trash heap while we were making more money and had increase exposure.aggiehawg said:Even Kansas boycotted Missouri because Deloss told them to.hunter2012 said:Yep, tceh was the most understanding but they fell in line and boycotted us after we left along with the others. The hilarity is not that texas leaves they assured tceh that they would still play them. The sips had a gimp harem in the BDF, OU was just the bottom b*tch.aggiehawg said:Why? They treated us like s*** in 2010-2011. (Well, tech not so much but ultimately they did what their overlords in Austin told them to.)rootube said:
I guess I'm in the minority but I'd like to see as many Texas schools to do well as possible.
Remember when Baylor was threatening to sue, claiming Waco's entire economy would dry up and get blown away without A&M football games every two years?
And Dodds spouting all of his vitriol about "the sliver" etc.?
Quite ironic how that worked out Because of the LHN, Big XII could not have a conference network and all of the riches that would bring for continued survival as a conference.The Chicken Ranch said:
All they gave to do is stay where they are at. It looks like the XII will survive and the PAC will not.
The XII may end up being a better league that it was.
aggiehawg said:Oh really?rootube said:aggiehawg said:That decision is way above your paygrade.Quote:
At a more basic level if there is room for Vandy in big time college Football there is surely room for Tech, Baylor and TCU.
Tech, Baylor and TCU have to pull their own weight.
Yea like Vandy is pulling its own weight in the SEC. Baylor and Tech have invested far more in their athletics programs than Vandy, and have far superior results. In some cases matching or exceeding our own despite being on a much smaller budget than us.Quote:
University to invest $100 million, with an additional $100 million in donor commitments already secured; funds will support major facilities, operational enhancements
Vanderbilt University today publicly launched the Vandy United Fund, an ambitious fundraising vehicle that will invest $300 million in Vanderbilt's student-athletes and athletics programs through major facilities and operational enhancements.LinkQuote:
Since the initial quiet phase of the campaign began in the fall, Vanderbilt has already identified $200 million toward the $300 million goal, with a $100 million commitment from the university, $90 million from anonymous donors and a $10 million lead gift from John R. Ingram, a Board of Trust member and longtime supporter of Vanderbilt Athletics. Now Vanderbilt is reaching out to the broader university community to help support the future of Vanderbilt athletics.
rootube said:aggiehawg said:Oh really?rootube said:aggiehawg said:That decision is way above your paygrade.Quote:
At a more basic level if there is room for Vandy in big time college Football there is surely room for Tech, Baylor and TCU.
Tech, Baylor and TCU have to pull their own weight.
Yea like Vandy is pulling its own weight in the SEC. Baylor and Tech have invested far more in their athletics programs than Vandy, and have far superior results. In some cases matching or exceeding our own despite being on a much smaller budget than us.Quote:
University to invest $100 million, with an additional $100 million in donor commitments already secured; funds will support major facilities, operational enhancements
Vanderbilt University today publicly launched the Vandy United Fund, an ambitious fundraising vehicle that will invest $300 million in Vanderbilt's student-athletes and athletics programs through major facilities and operational enhancements.LinkQuote:
Since the initial quiet phase of the campaign began in the fall, Vanderbilt has already identified $200 million toward the $300 million goal, with a $100 million commitment from the university, $90 million from anonymous donors and a $10 million lead gift from John R. Ingram, a Board of Trust member and longtime supporter of Vanderbilt Athletics. Now Vanderbilt is reaching out to the broader university community to help support the future of Vanderbilt athletics.
Hahaha! They are trying to invest $100M in athletics and have a goal to invest $300M. Baylor built an entirely new stadium with B12 money meanwhile Vandy is a playing in a stadium that would be second rate in Texas high school circles.
I just checked Baylor's stadium was $266M which means Baylor has probably invested on the order of nearly three times more than Vandy despite taking in a fraction of the cash Vandy sucks out of the SEC. Vandy has "plans" to invest $300M of which they have collected only $100M. Which begs the question… What the hell are they doing with all that SEC cash.
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Tech makes more money for a conference than Baylor. If it came down to choosing Baylor or Tech, it would be Tech.
Kansas boycotted them to keep them away from the KC media market. And it worked. Mizzou dried up very fast and then they got woke and went broke as their alumni stopped giving and dropped enrollment.aggiehawg said:Even Kansas boycotted Missouri because Deloss told them to.hunter2012 said:Yep, tceh was the most understanding but they fell in line and boycotted us after we left along with the others. The hilarity is not that texas leaves they assured tceh that they would still play them. The sips had a gimp harem in the BDF, OU was just the bottom b*tch.aggiehawg said:Why? They treated us like s*** in 2010-2011. (Well, tech not so much but ultimately they did what their overlords in Austin told them to.)rootube said:
I guess I'm in the minority but I'd like to see as many Texas schools to do well as possible.
Remember when Baylor was threatening to sue, claiming Waco's entire economy would dry up and get blown away without A&M football games every two years?
And Dodds spouting all of his vitriol about "the sliver" etc.?
Never meant to imply that not playing former Big XII conference mates was any hardship for A&M. Exactly the opposite, in fact. We have much better neighbors and partners in the SEC.JWinTX said:Kansas boycotted them to keep them away from the KC media market. And it worked. Mizzou dried up very fast and then they got woke and went broke as their alumni stopped giving and dropped enrollment.aggiehawg said:Even Kansas boycotted Missouri because Deloss told them to.hunter2012 said:Yep, tceh was the most understanding but they fell in line and boycotted us after we left along with the others. The hilarity is not that texas leaves they assured tceh that they would still play them. The sips had a gimp harem in the BDF, OU was just the bottom b*tch.aggiehawg said:Why? They treated us like s*** in 2010-2011. (Well, tech not so much but ultimately they did what their overlords in Austin told them to.)rootube said:
I guess I'm in the minority but I'd like to see as many Texas schools to do well as possible.
Remember when Baylor was threatening to sue, claiming Waco's entire economy would dry up and get blown away without A&M football games every two years?
And Dodds spouting all of his vitriol about "the sliver" etc.?
Dodds only cared about freezing A&M out. And even that eventually started drying up in sports other than football. And there was not one single Big 12 Texas team worth playing in the last decade, so it was no loss for the Ags.
SEC has zero need for another school from Texas. None.HossAg said:
Tech makes more money for a conference than Baylor. If it came down to choosing Baylor or Tech, it would be Tech.
You gotta look at it differently. The SEC and Big 10 are going to become the new NCAA. They won't care if everyone plays everyone every year. They won't care about "conference champions". The new conference championship is gonna be the College Football Playoff with X amount of teams that's built for the participants of those 2 conferences. There could be like 48 teams between the two conferences to make that work. It may even result in a bunch of divisions within those conferences with way more structure than we had before with various conferences of various sizes. The point is, however it ends up, the conferences will be in control of everything. That's their end goal with all this consolidation.aggiehawg said:SEC has zero need for another school from Texas. None.HossAg said:
Tech makes more money for a conference than Baylor. If it came down to choosing Baylor or Tech, it would be Tech.
Nor do I see the wisdom in going to 18 teams. Sixteen is already too many and with the loss of divisions, choosing a conference champion is just a complicated crap shoot.